State of the Union by Carl Moore

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jukeofurl said, 4 months ago

Wait until they start using Gazintahs…

BTW—xlnt avatar farleftside
moosegirl said, 4 months ago

Farlefty, why limit it to the Republicans? To paraphrase your post, not that I’m cynical or anything –

Here’s Democtat/Liberal math:

Give a trillion dollars to rich Wall Street people and bankers as payback for hefty campaign contributions.

Borrow more trillions from the Chinese (and any other government that’s sucker enough to believe they’ll get much of a return) in order to pay for failed social programs and run the war in Afghanistan.

Destroy banks and manufacturing companies by appointing executives and “Czars” to run them.

Eliminate productive jobs, force closure of businesses and reduce workers to poverty and homelessness faster than at any other time in US history since the 30’s in just over 6 months.

Try to regulate every aspect of the lives of private individuals.

Result?

Economic disaster for all!

Remember: The smallest minority is the individual.
moosegirl said, 4 months ago

Here’s another item to think about. What’s with the appointment of all these Czars. Didn’t the Russians shoot their’s? Ok, some were blown up, but c’mon why appoint them in the US.
forceonatr said, 4 months ago

Who gave a trillion dollars to rich people?
Do you mean “tax cuts for the rich” which conveniently takes 4 seconds to say and if you say it enough times (though it is an utter lie) people will begin to believe it since “everyone” is saying it.
No one wants to do the math and notice that 5% of our population pays about 70% of the taxes and a huge chunk don’t pay any at all. They just don’t like rich people because they aren’t rich themselves.
Here’s an exercise for you - pick an income level at which you believe a person should be raked over the coals. Now recognize that the number you just picked - you have told yourself you will never earn that much. That’s the difference between you and a winner. I hope it was a high number, loser.

Obama and Bush have both borrowed money from the Chinese and Saudis but at least Bush didn’t praise the Saudi’s and bow to them, laud the Chinese and apologize to Europe for being an American (I still hated Bush regardless, but not the way you did and I don’t hate Obama the way you hated Bush either)

I have no clue what your third point is

“Allow” Wall street to huh? The constitution doesn’t permit the kind of government you want, marx. You don’t get to “allow” anything… the federal government was created by the states with certain powers which don’t include telling everyone where and how they can spend.
“Wall Street” isn’t 5 rich people, it’s everyone. That money belongs to americans individually, not collectively to be seized or regulated.

Result would be prosperity if government got thier fat hands off the levers, yes. Everyone blames the free market for problems they don’t have the honesty to look into.
(Housing crash, for instance which the stupid weak current republicans at least tried to regulate but were shut up by Maxine Waters and Chuck Schumer)

Incidentally Schumer caused a run on Indie Mac which killed that bank by saying on the news that the bank was insolvent (it was not, it would have been able to borrow to stay in operation which banks do all the time when there are too many draws)

But the biggest mistake liberals make about conservatives is this - you believe we do not want reform and that we are all backward and stupid and do not accept gays, abortion, taxes, social programs, etc and you’re just incredibly wrong. Let that sink in please… I know you find it impossible to swallow. It’s wrong.
We simply know that the constitution doesn’t allow the federal government to regulate those things…. only each state.
Local government should have more power, federal government less power.

The federalist papers, the declaration and our constitution are the NEWEST idea in history for man’s governance and are responsible for where we have gotten so far in wealth and progress in every way. You want to undo that and model government after the oldest and worst idea: socialism.

Regardless what else I said that you want to argue with, if you have not read the Federalist papers, Declaration and Constitution then please do. If you stil believe as you do after reading them then you are essentially saying that you have no respect for the founding or the law. You want what you want and bleeep anyone who gets in your way. Well… there’s a word for that.

Give me half your stuff. I don’t have half your stuff so I’m entitled to it, right? If you won’t follow your so-called principles in your own life, then don’t push them on others.
Charity with other people’s money is no charity at all. Everytime you say the government will pay for something you mean I will. You mean working americans will. We tire of it.
vasgar1 said, 4 months ago

is it just me or does far left side just put down some stupid remarks and then wait seething for the next SOU cartoon to come out? Maybe if he/she read some of our remarks, he/she would be enlightened.

However, the republicans did spent us into a hole, forgetting their core ideals. Obama, however, promised new jobs after that last enormous stimulus bill and more people are losing jobs. Obama has QUADRUPULED the national debt, so even if he halfs that by the time he leaves office, he will still leave us more in debt than any other president has ever done. I want my money back, he is leaving me with “change”.
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 4 months ago

Plop-Plop Fizz-Fizz
Oh What Is T.A.R.P.?
Not The Relief It WAS
ADVISED As Is.

To use a variation of Oliver Hardy: “Well, here’s another Nice Mess you’ve gotten US into.” (Substitute Bush II for Stan Laurel).

Check out the date on this article & see who’s administration On Watch came up with T,A,R.P.:

“Fundamental Archives - Written by GFT - Sep 26, 2008 22:41 GMT” —- NOT on Obama’s Watch.

http://www.actionforex.com/fundamental-analysis/daily-forex-fundamentals/dollar’s-fate-dependent-upon-tarp-bailout-drama-2008092661839/

For U Mad Magazine affectionados: Check out #10 on the list of DUMB AWARDS OF 2001:

“10. Fuzzy Math: The Bush Tax Rebate”

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mim0EIN/is2001Dec26/ai_81107069/

For those not familiar with the term “Fuzzy Math” - I heard about it in Tech School (Robotics) back in the 80’s in a class while doing approximations for Electronics Math Calculations:

Fuzzy Math = “(mathematics) A methodology for systematically handling concepts that embody imprecision and vagueness”.

http://www.answers.com/topic/fuzzy-mathematics

For a review of Bush I “Fuzzy Math” from Feb. 24, 2004:

“(CBS) In a presidential debate nearly four years ago, George W. Bush accused Al Gore of employing “fuzzy math.” But increasingly, it’s the White House that’s being accused of numerical fuzziness on Medicare, the deficit and jobs.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/24/politics/main601960.shtml

For some comparisons between Alfred E & Bush II because after the Economic Mess the Bush II left Obama’s administration with to try and correct 8 years of Fuzzy Math Economics…

Appropriately Titled: “Who Would You Trust”

http://www.mindspring.com/~mike.wicks/AEBush.html

I spend a lot of time looking at CNN Business News learning about the current economic mess (and watching what happens in the MARKETS. I know it’s alot to try & digest.

Plop, Plop, Fizz-Fizz ….
gbrucewilson said, 4 months ago

forceonatr, Great post! The liberals will never understand that the government has no money. It all comes from and belongs to the people who EARN it. Why is returning hard earned money to taxpayers “giving to the rich” but giving tax rebates to people who pay no tax is OK? Pure socialism.
LibrarianInTraining said, 4 months ago

forceonatr: Very well said. A lucid and clear defense of American capitalism and the true meaning of those documents that are the blueprint for the way we do business.

I’d shake your hand if the wretched computer monitor weren’t impenetrable.

Bush wasn’t my favorite President either. I think the bailout he signed was probably one of the most disappointing things he did.

And when Obama got sworn in, I was more than willing to give him a chance. But so far, I’ve been disappointed.

Anyone up for resurrecting Lincoln?
twright64 said, 4 months ago

Amazing how EVERYTHING that’s wrong with Obummer’s
administration is Bush’s fault, and everything that’s right
(a few things are, I just can’t think of one right now) is proof
positive of His Majesty’s wisdom and wealth of experience.
twright64 said, 4 months ago

Very well said forceonatr. I supported Bush from a couple
of years before he even announced for the presidency, but
I sure wound up disappointed toward the end with their
excessive spending. Foreign policy & national defense, I
still would support the Bush bunch.
Radical-Knight said, 4 months ago

I tried this method in Jr. High School math class, make the problem fit the solution. Nope! didn’t work then either.

Wait, wasn’t Danae at Non-Sequitor trying to do this about a month ago?
SQUIDBREAKER said, 4 months ago

Talk about a Rahm- rod piece of legislation being ram-rodded down the throats of America.
reese828 said, 4 months ago

Has any modern president been an economic genius? WWII got us out of the Great Depression, and I’m still waiting for the trickle in “trickle-down economics” to get to me.
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 4 months ago

Looking for some funny Funnies today? Check out:
2 Cows & a Chicken & Dog Eat Doug…some good body function(s) humor with the strip & postings.

marktrail imposter is back with his “_” (fill in the Proper bodily function) Rant.
forceonatr said, 4 months ago

reese828 - No, but they shouldn’t have to be because the government doesn’t constitutionally have the power to regulate the way they do.
We went to war with Britain over a 1/10% tax on tea. At least, that’s the ends/means way a liberal would phrase it… we actually went to war over the notion of being taxed at all without being properly represented. That’s happening now at roughly 4000% of our former tipping point.

Trickle down wasn’t Reagan’s “idea” it is a fact. When you stack glasses on the table at a wedding reception and start pouring into the top, you see an example of this.
Poor people don’t create jobs and neither does government. Trickle down was an explanation of the way the market works when left alone, not an economic proposition. Reagan was saying hands off.

There is no need and government has NO (underline it 8 times please) authority to equalize outcomes, only opportunity. How many historical examples do you need that top-down micromanagement of men causes the complete destruction of society. You leave out the key factor that people will not comport to control in this way.
SQUIDBREAKER said, 4 months ago

It trickled down - good thing our family had a water barrel to save some water in the years of prosperity.

Trickle down looks better than the drought brought on by ‘Change”.
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 4 months ago

Ooooh Ooooh - Economics “Diss -cussion” - It’s been a while since I heard a lecture on “Invisible Hand Theory”. So I googled and Lots of Web Sites.

For a Pros/Cons answer see:

http://askville.amazon.com/invisible-hand-theory/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=645359

‘Coarse there’s other things an “Invisible Hand” could be doing during a boring lecture on Free Market Economics (which is also illusionary).

Will check in later - have a fish tank to clean today (see the comic strip “Shoe” today for a great fish heads limerick).
jmworacle said, 4 months ago

I can not believe that Carl Moore still doubts “The Benevolent One’s” wisdom (or the lack of). Will somebody please report to the authorities where farleftside lives and tell them he is being forced to read this strip.
harleyquinn said, 4 months ago

Do not forget the “jobs” he has claimed to create are all in the government sector. The jobs claimed “saved” are most likely are the Union jobs.
The biggest employer in this country who puts money and creates jobs and creates wealth are the small business. What do they get tax increases in the form of his grand tax the 5% plan. Not to mention the biggest tax that might be passed in the form of cap in trade. Tax and trade the plunder in the name of the phony religion of “climate change”
But we did it right joe?
harleyquinn said, 4 months ago

It trickled down - good thing our family had a water barrel to save some water in the years of prosperity.
Trickle down looks better than the drought brought on by ‘Change”

according to Obama, I am paraphrasing here “Good government jobs will trickle down and help the economy”
He said it and believes it. And he has shown he is willing to use your money to fund this grand idea of his.
Better way to jump start this dieing economy…
FAIR TAX!
Jor-El said, 4 months ago

This is a hypothetical concept of “trickle down” economics:

I’m a businessman who earns $270,000 annually.

(Incidentally, most businesses in America are in that range.)

Under the current administration, I am now classified as “rich” because my income is above the $250,000 threshold.

Now, it costs my company up to $50,000 to hire, train and pay first year wages and benefits to a new employee.

But, my taxes have gone up…and I have less money to hire new workers.

My wealth does not trickle down to job creation, but is transferred insead to the federal government.

“Forceonatr” is correct. Poor people do not create jobs, nor does government create wealth.

America is the land of opportunity where only the “pursuit of happiness” is promised–not guaranteed.

If you work very hard, you can achieve the American Dream.

But it’s not a handout…

…you have to earn it.

That’s what has made America great.

Sadly, there will be a lot of people who simply don’t have the motivation or desire to do the work necessary to be successful.

However, It is not morally acceptable that my hard-earned wealth should be transferred to someone, albeit able-bodied, who won’t do for themselves.
Jor-El said, 4 months ago

Joke of the day:

A liberal came upon a genie and said, “You’re a genie. Can you grant me three wishes?” The genie replied, “Yes, but only if you’re feeling generous enough to share your good fortune.” The liberal said, “I’m a liberal. I’m always happy to share.” The genie said, “O.K., then, whatever you wish for, I’ll give every conservative in the country two of it. What’s your first wish?” “I would like a new sports car.” “O.K., you’ve got it, and every conservative in the country gets two sports cars. What’s your second wish?” “I’d like a million dollars.” “O.K., you get a million dollars, every conservative gets two million dollars. What’s your third and final wish?” “Well, I’ve always wanted to donate a kidney.”
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 4 months ago

Jor-El Thanks for the “Joke of the day”!!! Good gigglin’ at that one :-))

Here’s why I hang out at CNN Money’s website - I know, lots of folks do, but I’m tryin’ to learn the “language of Wall Street”.

I won’t post a link cause there’s a lot of ads & slows some computers down (especially for those who rely on dial-up speeds). Try Googling: squeezing the shorts

Once in a while I check out Warren Buffet’s BRKA site to see what the Big Boys are doin’ …some days good, others not. There are also Some Interesting Articles posted underneath the Stock’s bar-graph of stock prices.

I personally like the term “squeezing the shorts” but for more humorous images that come to mind.

(BTW - I don’t own any stocks - my father grew up in the Depression Era & didn’t trust much about them either. I almost bought some issues of GE late last year after Warren made a recommendation - the price was around $18 dollars at the time).
SQUIDBREAKER said, 4 months ago

Yeah - fair tax HARLEYQUINN!

We’re there with ya!

FAIR TAX!!!!!!!!!!!

That bandwagon is still empty enough for us to fit on.
stebon said, 4 months ago

GJ_Jehosaphat–try getting some unbiased information rather than specifically using ol’ lefty Ted Turner’s(once slept with Hanoi Jane) Communist News Network.
I’m no Bush fan because in his second term he tried too hard to appease the leftists (who are never satisfied); but if you actually read the true history of the sub-prime melt down, it started with repeal of the Glass-Steagall act, the enactment of the Community Reinvestment act, the rise of ACORN (especially in Cook County, Illinois) pushing for basically free loans which were then picked up by FannieMae and FreddyMac (being run by Barney Frank and Jimmy Johnson, respectively–both now prominent members of the Obamination’s administration.

If you will actually look into the Congressional Record, you will find that Bush warned Congress (both Rep and Dem controlled) no less than 12 times of the coming financial melt down due to the above cited actions by the Dem controlled Congress during Clinton’s reign.

The trouble with Liberals is that nothing bad is ever their fault; and everything good is their fault.
Jor-El said, 4 months ago

@stebon:

In 1999 the New York Times, of all places, warned of the looming economic meltdown in an article that exposed the risky lending practices at Freddie and Fannie.

CRA rules that were enacted by Jimmy Carter–and liberalized by Bill Clinton–were cited as the reasons why government would eventually have to intervene and rescue the economy.

I worked for a bank when the CRA rules were implemented. The regulations essentially forced us to abandon sound lending practices, and loan money to people who were not otherwise credit-worthy.

Our bank was forced to close because we couldn’t afford to take the risk. This was before lenders got wise and re-packaged their sub-prime loans as investment products.

That virus soon spread throughout the economy–and the world.

Bush’s Treasury Secretary testified before Congress as early as 2001–warning of an economic collapse if Freddie and Fannie weren’t reformed.

Democrat Barney Frank said there was nothing wrong, and that Republicans were simply racist…and did not want poor people owning homes.
nlnap19 said, 4 months ago

forceonatr and Jor-El: Thanks for once again setting the record straight and taking the time to post.

moosegirl and vasgar1: good posts.

jmworacle: very witty, thx for posting.
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 4 months ago

Ooooh Ooooh - another “OPPORTUNITY” to use a sports analogy - Tennis Any One?

Sometimes y’all get an easy lop when someone tries to return a ball from a difficult position (Bush II played some tennis if I remember (correctly) photo’s of him in his tennis shorts),

I know I been usin’ alot of cut & pastes today - would rather be outdoors doin’ some gardenin’ instead of playing history instructor…but regarding the history of the Bush family - picture this: Bush Family, 1980’s, the S&L industry…. Get’s kinda “Weedy” & grew a Lot of material for those liberal Bush Wackers:

http://www.campaignwatch.org/more1.htm

Here ya go - try to keep your language “in bounds”.
WickedCrazy said, 4 months ago

I’m curious; I ask a simple question and I get flaged.Why?
SQUIDBREAKER said, 4 months ago

When we hear ’post,’ we think deer hunting season.
then we go on a drive and think of golf and Nascar.

Tennis anyone?
forceonatr said, 4 months ago

No one cares about Bush GJ_Jehosephat… this matter isn’t about whether Bush or Obama were/are great presidents… This is about whether the President or the federal government should have this sort of power whatsoever. If the JFK conspiracy theorist writer whose article you posted is correct then there’s some more anti-bush rhetoric I can add to my own retinue. He disgusted me as well… since he was a statist as well. Instead however, you have loosely conjoined allogation in that article. Neil and Jeb did something “questionable” is about the strongest language in there. I don’t care that Obama had a ‘land deal’ with Resco either. That’s not fundamentally affecting the case for Liberty.

The brilliant comic strip is of course about Obama and it’s hilarious since it’s absurdly accurate.

A business owner on Sean Hannity’s radio program recently reported that when he sold some materials to a company which paid in tarp funds, he had to fill out paperwork citing the number of jobs created or saved.
He marked 0 since the transaction had no effect on his business one way or the other but was called later by a government official asking how many employees had a hand in the transaction. He told them he hired no one and was not about to fire anyone so nothing was created or saved. They said that if 3 people handled the order, and weren’t fired… that was 3 jobs saved. You like that math?

But who the hell cares.. jobs saved is an obvious farce and an insult to all of us. That rank and file democrats try to defend such filth is the really embarrasing thing. You would never have heard me defending anything of the like from any republican president. How can it possibly be taken seriously.
But again… I could care less about their party anymore since the dems have gone outright Lenin and the GOP are weak cretins hanging on to thier power by their fingernails. What about Liberty?
boldyuma said, 4 months ago

Jumpin’ Jehosaphat ….sounds like you’re from the “bush” leagues..ya know AA ball…oh never mind…
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 4 months ago

boldyuma - it’s that U or someguy53 in disguise? I’ve been missin’ em today ;-))

For U folks who want some good farm humor - visit 2 Cows & a Chicken — that’s where I’ll be hanging out for a while till this place airs out…% > ))

P U what’s that smell? Y do U think I chose a skunk for my Avatar?? Watch Out - “Moore” bait!
forceonatr said, 4 months ago

Good show FLS, you answered nothing and you further accused everyone of things they weren’t saying, having read none of it.
That’s really “progressive” of you. Don’t kid yourself about your position. Socialism is regressive, tyranny is regressive.
That tea-party movement you make fun of with the truly sick “tea bag” reference was, again, just a lot of people sick of paying too many taxes.
They weren’t all white, weren’t all conservative, weren’t all christian… weren’t all anything. I know this mindset I think… wasn’t it Alinksy’s Rules for Radicals: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

You’re 0 points ahead of him Jehosephat. Yuck Yuck, post some drivel and links without the neccesary courage to drive your conviction. If I write something I expect to be attacked for it and I expect to somehow further the argument. You post to be snarky and run off for a few hours to come back and paste another few disjointed columns. (Which is fine, really. Just don’t pretend it’s anything else. I’m only as serious as I am because I find that people refuse to argue and this seemed as good a forum as any for making the argument.)

It’s obvious neither of you have an answer to these fundamental questions and neither of you are concerned with your Liberty (and certainly not with anyone else’s)

SomeGuy53 is a complete idiot as I have pointed out to him before. I’m sick of his tripe and his kind defacing my argument.
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 4 months ago

Guess I’m not a Fundamentalist - Obviously.

I’m watching some Tele for the eve…. Ciao! (there wasn’t much FUN during “His Excellency Benito Mussolini” reign either).

Most of US come here to get a good laugh - It’s the funny COMMENTS, play on words, share memories of comics, comedic lines of the past - not this STRIP! I “got” that one day reading the comments of folks who gather together & share their thoughts!

I went camping last weekend - stung by a Bumble Bee on the leg as I was checking into the campground. I was walking my dog the next day when she found a paper wasp’s nest. I told some maintenance men about it - showed them where it was & they would take care of it.

I care about the safety of others - one of my brothers was highly allergic to bee stings. Had to take him to the ER after he got stung - he always carried one of those Epi-Pen kits & gave himself an injection! He was ok, but it sure scared the “_ _ _ _” out of him - could have died if the bee sting had happened in away from help.

I used to be deathly afraid of bee stings. I learned to squash them with a pair of pliers from our dad when the got in the house. I used to climb to the top of the hay loft, climb the ladder to the top of the grain dryer distribution system. I got over some of my FEARS.

The reason for my story - it’s cause I choose to ignore the challenge to an argument about constitutions from someone who’s stuck in his/her’s own self-importance - make a change… try to look out thru your eyes and see what’s happening in the world. It may reduce the craziness you find when U spend too much time looking inside.

Hay! Keith is on! Back to the Tele.
Ron said, 4 months ago

A bag of potato chips walked into a bar, and the bar tender said, “We don’t serve food here.”

Barney Frank walked into a bar, and the bar tender said, “We don’t serve fools here.”
LibrarianInTraining said, 4 months ago

No government entity can force the economy to do anything. They can set laws in place to regulate protocol. They can put up barriiers to protect the people.

But the minute any government entity attempts to force the economy in any direction, good or bad, it is communism.

There once was a country with a big economic crisis. Their standard of currecny was worthless. People would burn stacks of cash to keep warm because the money couldn’t buy coal for the fire. Children were starving to death.

Then, one day, a very smart man shows up. He promises free government run healthcare. He promises free public schoolling, with free school lunch. He promises government run afterschool programs.

He vowed he would create jobs. Government jobs. High paying jobs. Jobs that would make one proud to go to work every morning.

In order to facilitate these jobs, he promises government funded child care. He promises to improve education. To make college availible to all.

This nation once shared a status as one of the most glorious in the world’s history. A center of culture and art. Now, it was the laughing stock of the planet.

This leader promised to return his nation to it’s former glory. To once again make it a nation revered by the world.

The people voted for him. And this man fulfilled every single one of his promises.

The man’s name?

Adolf Hitler.

(Actually Adolf Schnickelgruber, but that’s another story for another day.)

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