State of the Union by Carl Moore

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  1. jaguarundi

    jaguarundi said, 5 months ago

    MatthewJB,
    It was simply the word murder (which I didn’t use in the first place) that got me. The abortionist doesn’t believe he is killing a human being, it doesn’t fit the definition of murder.

  2. slug_queen

    slug_queen said, 5 months ago

    Someone seems to have an unhealthy obsession with the abortion issue. Was it even mentioned in the strip today? Nope. Get.A.Life.

  3. wndrwrthg

    wndrwrthgGenius_badge said, 5 months ago

    Wow, that sounds just like the supporters of little georgie and his master, that dick cheney.

  4. pschearer

    pschearerGenius_badge said, 5 months ago

    So Mark Trail has finally answered the question I asked him another time on another strip. His anti-abortion stance IS religion-based. No surprise there but I wanted to be sure (unlike those who leap to conclusions about MY views).

    So the essence of M.T.’s position is that his religion tells him that abortion is just another kind of murder and therefore the power of the state must be wielded against both abortion doctors AND women with unwanted pregnancies.

    I can’t take the time to go into everything that is wrong with his view (I’m not getting paid to do this), but I’ll just say that the idea that religion defines morality is an infallable way of creating irreconcilable, even fatal splits among people, as demonstratred by the history of Christian vs. Muslim vs. Jew, Protestant vs. Catholic, Sunni vs. Shiites, etc., etc., etc.

    You don’t need commandments from God to show that murder is wrong. A secular, rational morality is a requirement of a modern civilization, but it does not allow granting of full human rights to a part of a woman’s body.

  5. mytinytown

    mytinytown said, 5 months ago

    marktrail
    Thank you for answering that question.
    pschearer
    So if Marktrail’s abortion view is religion based, that religion is a choice as his view on abortion is too. Like mine, I was against abortion before religion came in to play, now I stand stronger against abortion due to religion. Is that wrong? Same with gay marriage too. Religion SHOULD affect your thinking and beliefs. Otherwise you would not be following religion, right?

  6. jaguarundi

    jaguarundi said, 5 months ago

    slug_queen
    Sorry, Sorry, just finishing up from yesterday, I didn’t mean to disturb you.
    I’m curious, why do you have Yoko Ono for your avatar?

  7. mytinytown

    mytinytown said, 5 months ago

    MatthewJB
    You really think our Christian founding fathers did not base the laws on their personal beliefs? You know the men who prayed before each judicial case. The men that had pictures of Jesus on the walls of their court rooms.
    Do some real research and you’d find that the founding fathers were Christians and made the Constitution on a Christian backbone.
    I still do not see how you can sit there and say abortion is not murder. You liberals think torture is so bad, the death penalty is evil and the MURDER of a baby means nothing in your brains. You all floor me. THE BABY IS SEPARATE FROM THE MOTHER. DO RESEARCH AND SEE IT DOES FEEL PAIN AND IT DOES RESPOND TO TOUCH AND IT DOES MOVE ON IT’S OWN AND CAN SURVIVE IF THE MOTHER DIES. Of course the length of survival time depends on the age of the baby. Does that not make the baby it’s own person? Does that not prove the slaughter of innocents you rip Bush over is immoral, illegal and unnatural? What is the difference in killing an innocent baby during war and killing an innocent baby pre-birth? I’ll tell you, the killing of a baby in the womb is intentional and premeditated and the other is an accident that happens a whole lot less now with our improved weapons. Even less then CNN and Obama want you to believe. Of course CNN and Obama side with our enemy when it comes to “the Bush war”.
    As well, where does Pschearer state that “that our country does not base laws on religious beliefs”? I will wait for him to respond and see what he says. You do a good job of twisting words and responses here to fit YOUR needs. To me it sounds more like this “do not use religion to decide morally what is right or wrong”. Also nice to know you feel a child of any sort has no rights. Pre-birth baby, baby, toddler, etc.
    I did refrain from name calling, even though my stress today is unbelievable and I really, really wanted to.

  8. gbrucewilson

    gbrucewilson said, 5 months ago

    I’m not a religious person. If a viable fetus is aborted, it is still a choice. A choice to kill. Where do you draw the line? What if a fetus survives the abortion attempt and is alive outside the womb? Surprisingly, some “choice” advocates say the fetus should be killed or discarded in the trash to die. How can that not be negligent manslaughter? If it is OK to kill a fetus that is minutes old, why not hours, days, weeks, months or years old? We need to draw the line somewhere. Viability seems to be a reasonable point to me. Using the logic of the radical choice group, it would have been OK for Tiller’s mother to kill him (or have her doctor do it). That is insane.

  9. BirishB

    BirishB said, 5 months ago

    pschearer said: “A secular, rational morality is a requirement of a modern civilization”

    pschearer … you have declared yourself a follower of Ayn Rand’s objectivism. I find may problems with that brand of philosophy, but I find it interesting that I can agree fully with the above comment, yet reach the conclusion by different means. Personally, I am given to Camus’ philosophy of the absurd. However, I follow somewhat in an idea advanced by Richard Rorty: that while one’s personal beliefs may guide one’s own life, in the public setting, a philosophy of pragmatism is most prudent. I reach the “secular, rational morality” that you describe by that mechanism.

    Now, I know your misgivings on pragmatism, but at the risk of logical fallacy … As I see it, the fact that two distinct philosophical approaches can arrive at the need for a secular morality, and that they can separately describe such an endpoint, strengthens the assertion that such a secular, rational morality is a plausibility. In other words, that reason and rationality can independently define morality without the identification of a deity.

    As a consequence, it seems, the question changes from “is a divinity necessary to define morality?” to “what values does our modern civilization wish to uphold?”

  10. JonD17

    JonD17 said, 5 months ago

    marktrail

    marktrail said, about 9 hours ago

    It’s only a comic… everyone expects it to be real life. Get real folks.

    Flag

  11. mytinytown

    mytinytown said, 5 months ago

    marktrail
    This is probably the best post from you I have read. I really like this statement “When liberals advocate the murder of the unborn.. it completely undermines their other moral arguments of caring for people and justice.”.
    This is so true!

  12. mytinytown

    mytinytown said, 5 months ago

    MatthewJB
    You named 4 of the founding fathers that were not Christians. What about the other 135? How many were not Christians total? So only under 3% were deist. What was the other 97%? I am sure a few were Atheist, maybe.

  13. farren

    farrenGenius_badge said, 5 months ago

    marktrail: as long as your definition of “reason” means “believe what I say because I say it”, and explicitly rejects the possibility of thought and dissent based on that thought, you bet your life I’m gonna defy it. If I wanted to accept your idea of “reason”, I’d just join the Taliban. At least that way I’d be consistent.

  14. badgerandi

    badgerandi said, 5 months ago

    Um, is your strip supposed to be funny…? or what…

  15. mytinytown

    mytinytown said, 5 months ago

    satipera
    Your exact words are “That peachy keen student librarian is so annoying. I have never met her but I want to strangle her. ” I put this so when it is removed everyone will know why.
    I should report you to gocomics for this remark, but instead I’ll flag it.
    I may have called people idiots or morons before, but you just threaten someones life. You are no better then Tiller or Tiller’s Killer. After that comment you should be removed from posting here for ever! You floored me and I will never read another word you say. You are a sad little man for threatening someone due to their own personal belief. I’d say you ought to be ashamed of yourself, but that would take character and you have none.
    If any other liberal lets this comment slide by I’ll will ignore you too.

  16. mytinytown

    mytinytown said, 5 months ago

    Well it is time for me to go, may Yahweh bless you all!!! Remember to walk in the same path of Jesus Christ did!

  17. Nobody

    Nobody said, 5 months ago

    jaguarundi said, about 8 hours ago

    slug_queen
    Sorry, Sorry, just finishing up from yesterday, I didn’t mean to disturb you.
    I’m curious, why do you have Yoko Ono for your avatar?

    Perhaps because Yoko Ono is a photograph of Daniel Radcliffe who portrayed HARRY POTTER in the movies of the same name.

  18. johnnydoc5

    johnnydoc5 said, 5 months ago

    Lot’s of angry today.

    You guys wouldn’t make very good poker buddies it seems…

  19. jmworacle

    jmworacle said, 5 months ago

    That is the most I’ve seen MarkTrail responding ever.

  20. Tigger

    TiggerGenius_badge said, 5 months ago

    George W. Bush also supported Pakistain 100%

  21. Nobody

    Nobody said, 5 months ago

    farleftside said, about 15 hours ago

    See?

    Even the guy watching the TV is sick of Carl’s cruddy gags.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Has it ever crossed that miniscule grey squishy thing you call a brain that Carl Moore doesn’t even recognize Mike Stanfill’s mediocrity and schoolgirl jealousy?

    Don’t bother, Mike. The only person that flatters your ego is you when you are rude towards those who see you for the weasel you really are.

    I read Mike Stanfill’s Far Left Side just to see how dense he really is. Nothing changes. Just boring after boring after boring.

    Don’t even try to ask, Mike; probably for the same reason you come to THIS site, and I’m sure it’s not out of respect, you just gotta pass gas somewhere and we’re the lucky ones I guess.

    Mike Stanfill rudely insults, degrades, ridicules and makes immature comments about Carl Moore every day; he only turns out a pathetic toon, rant and utube flick on M-W-F.
    How often has Carl Moore recognized the cancerous troglodyte FarLeft … NONE!

    Carl Moore is a successful syndicated cartoonist. Say this slowly Mikey. C-A-R-T-O-O-N-I-S-T. He doesn’t report the news with a biased twist like your blessed Huffington post. He makes jokes and cartoons, and he’s good at it. Otherwise we wouldn’t be here.

    Forget it Mike, I’m neither a fan of yours, nor a follower or stalker. I guess I could really care less which means I do care a little (not much, but a little and surely nothing about you).

    As for being a Democratic supporter, I’m sure they appreciate the 10 yard signs they were able to afford with your $250 contribution.

    Dubya is a LOT better man than you, and while I’m upset about the corrupt individuals during his administration (Cheney and Rove are at the top of my list) I personally believe George W. Bush had some decent goals which he could not meet due to congress and political potholes.

    I hope President Barack Hussein Obama with his advisors can do some good for this country. I can see that he has the vision to do so because he didn’t reverse all the previous administration’s efforts. I didn’t vote for all the past presidents, but I supported every one of them. Let’s see you do any better. I didn’t think you could.

    satipera - Did you know that satipera spelled backwards is Arepitas, which is like a little Latino or South American Corn Fritter? Sati, if you don’t want LibrarianInTraining to speak here then you can’t either. You’re absolutely right, as always. I can’t stop you; and neither can you stop the Christians, the Catholics, the Roman Catholics, the Baptists, the Mormons, the Protestants, the Lutherans, the Jesuits, the Jewish, the Southern Baptists, the Quakers, the Calvinists and many others. In fact, I’m going to invite them and welcome them here to as site of OPEN debate and dialog with differing viewpoints (just because YOU oppose it.)

    LibrarianInTraining - You are more than welcome to comment here as often as you want and do tell your friends that SOTU is the place for debate and it is heavy. There are some good souls here and some that really need the help of some fervent Prayer Warriors.

  22. jack75287

    jack75287 said, 5 months ago

    MatthewJB Ok let say abortion is not murder. Not at all we have no reason to say abortion is wrong. You still have stopped something that would have grown into a human. That should have the right to contribute. That might have helped you. At the height of the abortion craze we lost ½ million new people each year. Those first aborted children their kids should be in Jr. high soon. So you at some point supported the death of some one you should have known. Personally and by their first name’s. Been in you house had a meal with you.

    As for the found father’s not being religious here is my favorite Franklin quote.
    “I believe in one God, the creator of the universe. That he governs it by his providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this.”
    Ben Franklin

  23. jack75287

    jack75287 said, 5 months ago

    Mytinytonw please copy this quote. use it if you ever hear someone says that the founding fathters were not belivers. They had good and firm way of allowing others to belive. It was right for the time not so much now.

  24. jack75287

    jack75287 said, 5 months ago

    Back today’s strip go to this link wall street online. This is the story of the Obama administration dropping charges on Black Panther Party members attacking whites at polling places. Can you say racism and double standards? Oh and what, the whites are not the racists.

    http://online.wsj.com/video/chavezs-dollar-shortage/C26342BB-DC29-4ADB-8834-D03D0B882D28.html

  25. Dypak

    DypakGenius_badge said, 5 months ago

    What I’d like to know is what is Obama supposed to do? If Pakistan is a failed government should he have us invade? Should we just walk away? Should we build a wall around them? What else, other than support them, can he do? It doesnt mean he has to agree with them. Sometimes my wife is unreasonable with the kids, but I still support her. We’ll discuss it later, when the kids arent around, but you have to support your partner in front of the opposition.

    How did this place end up the abortion discussion group? As long as you keep it here I guess.

  26. Owlsly Whistlepig

    Owlsly WhistlepigGenius_badge said, 5 months ago

    satipera…such A small minded individual you are, ashamed you should be …but I am sure you have none nor, does the Nazi ilk you were spawned from (and I don’t disparage your parents Goddess bless them)…I will pray for your soul…tho you probably don’t deserve it !!!, your evil comments have been flagged and will continue to be as long as you spout such evil

  27. jack75287

    jack75287 said, 5 months ago

    satipera
     
    First there was several stories. If you didn’t see it you were not looking. Top left thump nail. Called voter Indimidation. Second I did not take this for my favoriate subject MathewBJ said it was not murder and that the founding fathers were secular. He opened it learn to read. Please stop changing the story on everybody you can’t deal with. Third and I repeat myself, I don’t like some bigot (you) telling christians were they can and cannot speak. Fourth this is a conservitavie strip so why as a liberal do you say I cannot post here. Fifth who are you to tell anyone what they can and cannot do.
     
     
    MathewBJ
     
    I said, let say. That is no consesion. Don’t take lesons from Satipera. It is ok take the road about all the crime and bad things that might have happen. We could have also killed all the Germans because of the Nazis. That would have been wrong to.
    Abortion is fine to save the life of the mother, I have always been fine with that. To improve her comfort because of money saved that is just dump. Her comfort and better living standard is not more important then the child and socity’s comfort is not more important then all the unnessary abortions. Oh and crime went up anyway sense abortion came along. Nor dose that mean a disporpotional amount of crime would have come along if there was no abortion.

  28. jack75287

    jack75287 said, 5 months ago

    satipera
    I see you repeated yourself to Owsly. There is one religious argument that dose give us power over you on this subject. We forgive you. Have a good night.

  29. johnnydoc5

    johnnydoc5 said, 5 months ago

    Dypak, I suppose the abortion talks are a carryover from yesterday, things are getting nasty because of it.

    Matthew, I don’t want to debate this, but here is how I see it: you are making some interesting leaps with your train of thoughts on people’s abortion beliefs- I’d best stop here or the debate will continue, and this subject is angering many.

  30. jack75287

    jack75287 said, 5 months ago

    P.S thank you for the non denominational link. I went there and told them of your behavior. Some of them will be joining this post.

  31. jack75287

    jack75287 said, 5 months ago

    I’ll bite how has my mythology hurt you.