State of the Union by Carl Moore

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slug_queen said, 5 months ago

Very unfortunate timing- since yet again a right-wing nutcase has decided to be judge, jury, and executioner. Funny how the right wing only cares about life before birth- after birth it’s disposable.
tpenna said, 5 months ago

Wow, IrishCook. I don’t think I’ve read anything so monstrous or misguided on these pages as your comment.
tpenna said, 5 months ago

And marktrail, your willful ignorance is maddening! Nobody with two brain cells to rub together, having heard what Barack Obama has to say about abortion (and other topics of life), would say that he doesn’t care about human life.
pschearer said, 5 months ago

If opposing abortion and gay rights based on the doctrines of certain religions continues to define the Republican Party, it will be the end of them, leaving America totally at the mercy of the worst of the Democrats.

America has–for now– two parties which pick and choose which human rights they will defend and which they will violate. Who will save America from them?

(Sapitera: a mix of capitalism with anything–least of all with “social democracy”, AKA socialism–is no longer capitalism. America has been a quasi-semi-pseudo-capitalist mixed economy at least since the New Deal. The current crisis is not a failure of capitalism but of government interference in what should be a free economy. It doesn’t matter which straw broke the camel’s back; there is a dead camel under two tons of straw.)
pschearer said, 5 months ago

IrishCook: I won’t bother addressing everything I find wrong with everything you say to me, but I must correct something you say about me.

You cannot possibly consider as a leftist someone who advocates…capitalism as the only moral as well as practical economic system; complete separation of state and the economy; return to the gold standard; total privatization of public schools, state universities, roads, government-owned utilities, and the selling of all government land not directly related to defense and administration; a government limited solely to the protection of individual rights via the military, police, and courts; moral condemnation of socialism in all its forms, whether Soviet, fascist, or welfare state. That should be enough to demonstrate your ignorance of my politics.
Leftist indeed!

As for the recent polls showing a majority of Americans waffling on women’s rights, the number of people holding a falsehood doesn’t make it true.

Disagree with my views all you want, but you should first know what they are.
gbrucewilson said, 5 months ago

pschearer, If you are what you say you are, you are a libertarian. Me too.
LibrarianInTraining said, 5 months ago

As much as I disagree with Tiller,I also believe that ALL human life if sacred. The murderer will have to answer to the courts and to God for his actions.

I mourn that Tiller’s life ended before he could see the light and repent. No Christian should rejoice aver a lost soul.
LibrarianInTraining said, 5 months ago

And Irish, lighten up! You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. You want people to listen, treat them like human beings. There’s no point giving someone a rose to smell if you’ve already cut off their nose. (Ravi Zacharias)
tpenna said, 5 months ago

Thank you, LibrarianInTraining, for reminding me that people can disagree vehemently and not devolve into hatred.
mytinytown said, 5 months ago

satipera (From Friday)
I did not make it back to the PC Friday. Dr. took longer then planned.
But you are denying the right for someone to talk about God here? Why? Is this not a 1st amendment right of the USA? Freedom of Speech and Religion?
If you deny the right for someone to talk about God, then you can not bring up evolution, global warming or any of those “theory’s” or even Hypothesis you all hold as truth.
As well by talking about religion we are not “ramming it down your throat” we are talking about something we believe in. As like Evolution, global warming, etc. As I said asking someone to refrain from talking about something you do not like is against OUR constitution, but what would you know of this.
You should be able to say anything you want and if someone does not like it, ignore it. Otherwise you need to stop commenting on USA politics cause you are a foreigner.
As well, every single anti-Christian remark you make will be flagged.
Mathew
I do not have many typos as you claim, I do use spell check on all my posts. I may, at times, have a more difficult time explaining in detail, but this can not be helped.
hlp54 said, 5 months ago

As a 72 year old woman who had 7 miscarriages (called spontaneous abortion by doctors) and a full term baby who died after birth, I can absoulutely say that abortion before 20 weeks IS NOT a baby - it is a collection of cells with the potential to be a baby. Why is it almost always the men who are against abortion. They have no idea what a pregnancy is or does to women. Even if abortion were outlawed it would still happen. I had a grandmother and great grandmother who were midwives - and the women still did terrible things to themselves to abort. Also many of those who didn’t die from it also died in childbirth.

I guess the pro-life people ONLY care about the UNBORN and not the living. Many are also pro gun, pro war and pro capital punishment. SO much for caring about life.
jaguarundi said, 5 months ago

gbrucewilson,
Is that the Libertarian Party of the United States?
mytinytown said, 5 months ago

Wow, the death of a baby is such an easy thing for you psycho libs isn’t it?
Have any of you ever seen an ultra sound? You know where the baby moves all on it’s own? I have an it is a separate life form and is completely alive!!!!! I have seen them as early as 8 weeks.
etocme said, 5 months ago

Abortion isn’t torture and murder??

http://www.abortiontv.com/Movies/silentscream.htm
jaguarundi said, 5 months ago

Henrie Paetow,
Sorry about your history, my mother lost a baby shortly after birth too. He probably would have survived today with the medical advances we have made.
Please don’t lump all pro-life people together, not all think the same way.
johnnydoc5 said, 5 months ago

It’s Paul Puma!!!
Don’t worry, etocme, I remember.

As for the news, that is such a shame about that doctor, Christianity gets another scar because one over-zealous, misguided individual did decide to be judge, jury, and executioner. Most unfortunate.
mytinytown said, 5 months ago

johnnydoc5
I agree, good or bad, it was wrong. Especially doing it in a church full of people and his family.
mytinytown said, 5 months ago

I pray that the missing French plane lands safely someplace. The 216 people and 12 crew needs to be able to walk off the plane.
BirishB said, 5 months ago

On the issue of abortion is where we see the greatest divide between the ideal state and the practical world.

Wouldn’t it be great if sex education was in full swing; if America were not so puritanical in its sexual practices that a free-flowing discussion on the ramifications of premarital sex could occur; if church-derived morality did not prevent education on birth control. You see, teenagers have been having sex for eons, and it is only recently in the human historical arc that it became unacceptable for minors to copulate.

And in this ideal state, full understanding of the consequences of sexual contact would be understood, and, perhaps, abortion would be relegated to a medical necessity only.

Instead, we live in a world where we are too hung up on imposing morality, where we teach the evils of sex, and by extension, pour shame on women for having reproductive parts, and men for answering biological desires.

One more nod to the practical world we live in: because of our will to legislate morality (or at least enforce it by societal pressure), what would be the consequence of a US without legal abortion? How many women would die in dirty clinics? And how many children would be born to unhappy homes and to lifelong government assistance due to poverty and destitude?

It would be ideal if abortion were never practiced. But in the real world, the ideal is rarely practical. Would the anti-abortionist accept that society would have to pick up the pieces – literally and financially – of children born to parents not ready to receive them?
jaguarundi said, 5 months ago

Are you saying that they deleted your earlier comment or that they edited it?
twright64 said, 5 months ago

BirishB
Excellent argument for a nanny-state.
Aside from that, there is no ‘church-derived morality’ against
sex education. I believe in the tenets of my fundamentalist
Christianity, and that involves certain morality, but never have
I heard inside the church (and in 69 years, I’ve been in a LOT
of them) any ‘preaching’ against sex-education. And it is not
that ‘church-derived morality’ that causes any of us to object
to any type of sex education, it is the exercise of our free will to decide what we want and don’t want our own children exposed to. If you want your 8-year-old daughter
to be taught how to put a condom on a banana, so be it,
but don’t try to force me to have my daughter exposed to it.

Aside from all that, since the discussion has largely been
about the murder of George ‘Tiller-The-Killer’ Tiller, I will never condone that type of vigilantism, but I shall shed no
tears for George Tiller, either. He WAS involved in illegal
activities in that it is known that he performed late-term abortions on minor girls. By it’s definition, a pregnant minor is clear evidence of the commission of a crime, statutory rape, and by law anybody having knowledge of
sexual abuse of a minor must report it. Tiller has never
reported any such thing. And it’s known that Sebelius
stopped the investigation/prosecution of this heinous
criminal activity dead in its tracks, and she also received
huge campaign contributions from Tiller-The -Killer.

If you have never thought of abortion as murder, take a
long look at the gruesome act called ‘partial birth’ abortion.
This was one of Tiller’s specialties, and our beloved (NOT) President is a strong advocate and supporter of
this type of infanticide.

As for society ‘picking up the pieces’, I was born into a
migrant worker family of 9 children, few were as deprived
as we were, and society picked up a lot of pieces for us,
but I can’t possibility express how good life has been and
how it could never have been if I (or any of us) had been
killed at the hands of a heinous operator like Tiller.
Sheila said, 5 months ago

The killing of that Dr. was a tragedy. No Christian should be happy with murder. I as a Christian am not and hope whomever did that, ESPECIALLY in front of his family and his church, gets all the justice he deserves. But I do not condone abortion. As for gay rights, I do believe all humans have human rights. I do not agree with homosexuality, howeer I do agree with humanity and believe showing hatred is NOT Christian. God is not hate. He is love and he commands us to love all, not just a select few selected by us imperfect humans. P.s. I do believs also that an abortion Dr. at church might be an oxymoron…
mytinytown said, 5 months ago

BirishB
So why was unwanted pregnancies not so popular BEFORE all this “Sex education” you liberals want so badly? Teens in the early 1800’s and even 1900’s did not get pregnant like they do now.
It is from this sex education that you want schools to teach (should be left to the parents), but society is falling due to extreme liberalism. So we are regressing.
mytinytown said, 5 months ago

sammyd
Mark never said he was happy about the “slaying” of this piece of filth. Or he did not denounce it either.
Marktrail
What are your views on Tiller’s death?
mytinytown said, 5 months ago

MatthewJB
Nice way to twist my words, thank you once again for this.
As well, sense I am so full of typos and etc. Please point out all of them on this page.
jmworacle said, 5 months ago

Marktrail, I believe Carl More has done today’s comic just for you. As for yesterday’s horrific murder of Dr. Tiller, the idiot who is accused of the action has given the Pro-Life movement a black eye. The suspect should be tried and if FOUND GUILTY, be subjected to fullest extent of the law.
While I believe that abortion shouldn’t be used as a form of birth control there are more positive ways of getting one’s point of view across.
bmonk said, 5 months ago

@MatthewJB, I have to disagree with you. If we are truely pro-life, as others have pointed out, we are not free to “be doing everything to stop it: Killing women, doctors, and nurses; firebombing clinics; laying down your own life in defense of the embryos & zygotes.” There are limits, although laying down your own life is a good start.

However, killing another person is not acceptable. Doing violence to end violence does not work. It only encourages violence by others, and denies our own moral principles. Christ himself did not speak out to call down legions of angels, or to call for revolution. Rather, he offered himself to bring life to the world.

We should pray for Dr. Tiller, and for his murderer. And for the other victims of violence of any kind, and for those who perpetuate violence. May the victims find vindication in God; may those who do violence turn from the evil they have in hand and repent.
jaguarundi said, 5 months ago

MatthewJB,
Please think about revising your third paragraph, it sounds like you are advocating murder. That doesn’t sound like you.
jaguarundi said, 5 months ago

MatthewJB,
What happened to your respect for the law. I didn’t make the law but I do have to obey it or live elsewhere.
BirishB said, 5 months ago

twright …

I believe you missed the point. An advocate of the ‘nanny state’ would argue that the state should be the ward of unwanted children. What I asked was: would anti-abortionists accept that they would have to deal with children of unwanted pregnancies in a world where abortion were banned (in effect creating a ‘nanny state’).

The Catholic church is vehemently anti-sex education and vehemently against the teaching of birth control. That is just one organized religion with that stance; most others concur. Of course, these ideals are borne from a stance against premarital sex. Again, in an ideal world, that would not occur; in a real world it does.

I have to acknowledge your right not to have your 8-year-old daughter exposed to a condom and a banana. I do wish that parents taught their kids about sex. But again, that is idealistic fantasy. I believe that unwanted pregnancy has become an epidemic in the U.S.; I also believe that when that epidemic undermines the function of a nation, that nation is forced to deal with it. The cost and expense of dealing with unwanted pregnancy demands a solution, and that solution involves education. In other words, sex education in the public setting is a substitute for the failure of parents to deal honestly with their children in sexual matters. I am sure you do not like your tax dollars paying for sex education; I am fairly certain you would not want your tax dollars going to services for unwanted children or to supplement families that are dealing with unexpected children.

Like it or not, American views on sexual morality are handed down to us from the Puritanical mindset. And the prevailing thought that ‘sex is evil’ is a prime reason parents don’t educate their children on sex. It is the prime reason parents opt not to talk to their children, and instead hope they don’t copulate before marriage.

Partial-birth abortion as birth control is murder. And no, Obama does not support partial birth abortion. He opposed a ban that would have also banned the practice when it was a legitimate medical procedure. That does not make him a supporter of its practice.
BirishB said, 5 months ago

tiny said: “Teens in the early 1800’s and even 1900’s did not get pregnant like they do now. ”

I don’t believe that’s true. Nevertheless, it was common practice not long ago for families to marry off their daughters, and they were often married off at the ripe age of 13 or 15. I am glad that young females are no longer treated like cattle or property; I am not pleased we think that teenagers can no longer deal with sexual maturity.

Sex education was a response to a public health crisis. It was not a causative factor in an up tick in teen pregnancy. In fact, there are several metrics that show that sex education lowered teen pregnancy, as well as several metrics showing that when sex education is repealed, teen pregnancy goes back up.
johnnydoc5 said, 5 months ago

I like your last two posts, BirishB, except, I don’t know about the Catholic church being vehemently against sexual education. I went to a Catholic high school that actually had very good sexual education courses. Maybe they are just the exception to the rule though…
Matthew, I must say to you that I don’t think that being against abortion means that I am against all women’s rights. Also if everyone was that radical in their beliefs and acted as such, then there would be total chaos all the time around the world.
mytinytown said, 5 months ago

farleftside
you are simply just blind.
Mathew & BirishB
I did not say they did not have sex and get pregnant. I said they did not have sex like they do now. They were MARRIED, so they married young, they usually stuck through the marriage and had a good happy life. Now 13-15 year old girls are having babies from more then 1 father and not getting the help they need from the father. As well, the world was a total different much better and safer place then now.
Yes and I said SEX EDUCATION NEEDS TO BE LEFT TO THE PARENTS, NOT IDIOT TEACHERS. As well, yes Obama has no trouble with partial birth abortions. Or leaving the “accident” left to die. WHICH AT THIS TIME IS A BABY!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you liberals for screwing it all up! Thank you for always putting your nose in my business and thinking you know what is best for me and my family. Thank you very much.
wholescot said, 5 months ago

farleftside: what part of a LATE TERM abortion isn’t torture? It is cruel and inhumane. Why do people care so much about polar bears but not children, who if delivered, would live and could be put up for adoption. (Polar bear hunts are still allowed in Canada - so much for them being on the edge of “extinction”.)
twright64 said, 5 months ago

BirishB
You said:

What I asked was: would anti-abortionists accept that they >would have to deal with children of unwanted pregnancies >in a world where abortion were banned (in effect creating a ‘>nanny state’).

Answer: Rather than kill those childre, a resounding YES!
And no, that would not create the nanny state.

Adoption lists are long & growing at a time when people
are killing kids.
BirishB said, 5 months ago

tiny …

Sex education became a necessity when parents failed to do the job on their own. Liberals didn’t stick their noses in your business to tell you what was best for you; government (liberal and conservative) interceded because it was in its own best interest to lower teen pregnancy rates (read = lower the financial responsibility of government).

You are being dishonest about Obama’s stance on partial-birth abortions. You are cherry picking facts to support your stance. Again, Obama voted against a ban on partial-birth abortions because it denied their use when it was a medical necessity. Unless you are OK with pregnant women dying in childbirth or as a result of a difficult pregnancy?

If you want to argue that the world is a better place when 13-15 year-old-girls are treated like property; married off to bridge political and business alliances; and when dowries were commonplace bribes to get a man to take your daughter off your hands … well … I’m sure that was not your intent, but that’s a slippery slope, because:

If you argue that the world was a better place when 13-15 year old teenagers could be entrusted to marry and have sex, then you would have to agree that teenagers today are mature enough to have sex.
jmworacle said, 5 months ago

MatthewJB, Christ told the people: “I did not condem the law, but to fullfill it.” Although I was no fan of Dr. Tiller and vehementlly disagree with the fact he believed it was okay to abort a baby that was almost full term.
BirishB said, 5 months ago

twright …

If a ‘nanny state’ is the excessive presence of government to control particular aspects of society, then I would say that a ban on abortion, and a subsequent institutionalization of adoption/orphanage for unwanted children, fits the definition of a ‘nanny state.’

In another sense, in that scenario, the state would most literally be wet-nurse to unwanted children. That is, the state would be ‘nanny’ to unwanted children.

Sadly, adoption lists are growing, and those ‘orphans’ are not well cared for. Nor is there an abundance of families who wish to adopt, as the numbers families adopting US children is shrinking. I think it is sad to think of a child who grows up knowing that he or she was unwanted; the sadness that child must confront with every waking moment is devastating.
jack75287 said, 5 months ago

Farfey then you should know a fetus can feel pain at a very early development. Much sooner then believed several years ago. Wow. What dose that make bringing the baby’s body out while leaving the head in. Drilling a hole in the child’s head then sucking out the brains with a wet-vac.
jaguarundi said, 5 months ago

MatthewJB,
I must say that I have thought it over since my last post and have come to the conclusion that you are right.
Nobody said, 5 months ago

www.farleftside.com
Kingoswald said, 5 months ago

Time to cancel this one.
LibrarianInTraining said, 5 months ago

Matthew, I didn’t say the NT “supersedes” the old. Jesus said he came to FULFILL the law, not ABOLISH it.

Seek out someone who considers themselves a “completed Jew”: a Jew who believes that Jesus was the Messiah. They can explain it better than I can.

And the Koran and Bible are not compatible. The Koran says Jesus was a just and holy man, just not a god. But the Bible says Jesus claimed to be God. If the Koran is right that Jesus was not a god, then Jesus lied, and could not therefore be a just and holy man.

The Bible and Koran are mutually exclusive. Both cannot be right.

And what does this have to do with abortion?

(Abortion is kind of a big issue with me. It was my term paper my senior year of high school. Twenty-two pages, and that doesn’t include diagrams, photos, and bibliography.)
sablebrush5 said, 5 months ago

Why is it we task our public schools with sex education when they can’t even teach kids to read, write and do math? They should focus on those core skills and forget sex education, teaching “tolearnce,” “compassion,” “diversity” and the rest of that viscous liberal drivel that oozes over the land, smothering common sense and clear-headedness?

You libs must face the fact that the illegitimacy rate in the np-sex-education ’50s was much, much lower than it is now in this age of enligntened sex education. If sex education is so healthy, why aren’t the results healthy?

I’m all for sex education but it is the responsibility of the parents, not schools. Not surprisingly, there’s too much disagreement on what constitutes good sex education. When schools prove their effectiveness and teach the basics well, then, and only then, perhaps they can take on more controversial subjects… but not until then.

Some 70% of black kids today are growing up without fathers. This is a disaster. How is it that some girls today think nothing of having one, two, even three kids with three different fathers and paying the bills with taxpayers money? This kind of behavior was unheard of before the ’60s. There used to be a stigma attached to such behavior that made young girls and boys think twice before engaing in irresponsible sex, but no more. Hey, even teenagers have urges, right? Let ‘er rip baby! To heck with the consequences! Who cares if it’s destructive to society and psychologically crippling for the children of such behavior?

Sex education in schools is clearly not the answer to fewer abortions or responsible sexual behavior. I used to think that it would be, but, alas, it isn’t… at least in the real world.
LibrarianInTraining said, 5 months ago

BirishB, You’re right. It became a forefront issue when parents abdicated their responsibility not only to teach the “Birds and bees” but also right and wrong. But don’t be so quick to dismiss “puitanical” values. (I don’t remember if it was you that said that or not).

When we ousted the “puritanical” Judeo-Christian values, we caused a downward spiral that many people confused for freedom.

With no God, man became a product of evolution. This made him no better than an animal. Since man is an animal, he is subject to the same urges and instincts as all animals. And since animals can’t control their instincts, they just do what comes naturally, then man must do so also. With no self-control, sex is no longer a pure expression of love between man and wife, a symbol of the union between Christ and His Bride the Church. It was just another urge to be satisfied. Thus began the sexual revolution. Without God, man is free. No boundaries. But ask any child, a world with no boundaries is a frightening place.

Since the kiddies are animals, and are going to have sex as any animal will, we’d better teach them to do it in a way that is least detrimental to their physical health (with no regard to their emotional health. Anyone have to carry the baggage of former lovers into a relationship? Not fun. It creates doubt and dissatisfaction.) After all, we wouldn’t want to inhibit their desires and squish their fragile little psyches now would we?

Since there is no God, there is no longer a moral law giver. With no moral law giver, there is no moral law. With no moral law, nothing is ever wrong. What freedom! but if nothing is wrong, how do we know anything is right? And if there is no right or wrong, what’s the difference between sex between consenting adults, or between consenting teenagers, or between consenting children, or between a consenting adult and a consenting child? Where do we draw the line? After all, no moral law… nothing can be wrong, right?

And with man not created in a sacred image, man is no longer sacred, meaning man’s life is no longer sacred. So what difference does it make if we kill children in the womb? How is that any different from killing an adult, or a teenager, or a child, or an infant?

See how things spiral out of control when we take God out of the picture?

Perhaps the best dissertation I’ve ever heard on the subject was given by author Frank Peretti in a speech called “The Christian’s Fixed Point of Reference also known as “The Chair Talk”. If you can find it online, more power to you. I downloaded it years ago, and that’s the only reason I have it.

The point is, what we need is a return to those “puritanical values” that so many people despise. With marriage comes the true sexual freedom man desires. (And I use the term man to mean mankind in general.) And I don’t mean signing pledge cards and wearing purity rings. Symbols are pointless without the proper values to reinforce them.

I married as a virgin, but there were a few times I almost didn’t make it. My husband and I lived together before we got married. (It’s kind of complicated. He moved in when I went to college to take care of grandma while I was gone. But when she was diagnosed with cancer, I came home. I slept in her room, and he slept in my old room. But just because grandma was always around doesn’t mean temptation didn’t come. There were days if I hadn’t walked around the corner to get and ice cream and distract myself, I probably would have given in. Ours was a distinct situation that only made it by the grace of God. It’s not a system that I would recommend.)

But I can’t tell you how happy I am that I waited. There were other guys in college I could have had. But I always would have looked at my husband comparing him to others. People always tell me “How do you know he’s good in bed, if you have nothing to compare him to?”

And I always respond, “How should I know? He makes me happy. Should I risk it all on the sheer chance there’s someone else out there? What If I’m wrong? What would it do to our trust? No trust, no intimacy. And no, sex and intimacy are not synonymous.”

Let’s return to teaching our kids right from wrong, and not just assuming “they’re going to do it anyway.” If you show them that you think so little of them, they’ll only respond to meet your expectations.
jack75287 said, 5 months ago

Satipera
No one on this blog to my knowledge ever said that Capitalism was the silver bullet. It some times fails. It fails less then socialism, it fails far less then communism. China pulled itself out by becoming more and more open market combined with its 1.3 billion people. To get back to a point over and over again why cannot England and Germany and France and Italy and Spain and Belgium and some of the old Eastern block nations defend themselves against Russia. If I had my way I would let you all be and let you defend yourselves. The European Union turned its back on Georgia and the Ukraine last year so why not.

BrishB

Sex education started in the late 60s and early 70s the unwed mothers issue became a topic somewhere in the 80s. Poorly done sex ed can tell children sex is with out responsibility.
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As for 13 to 15 years old try as early as one in the Middle East. They marry them off and as soon as they are able to work in the house they go live with their husbands. Hopefully the dirty old creeps wont touch them till they are 13 or so but that is a joke.
LibrarianInTraining said, 5 months ago

Oh, and Henrie, my prayers go out to you. What a hard time that must have been. I had a dear friend who aborted her acephalic baby. I disagreed with what she did, but I don’t hate her for it. She’s been praying for the day when she can hold that baby in her arms in heaven. (And she’s in her late 50s or early 60s. I forget which, so this was a LONG time ago.)
Shikamoo said, 5 months ago

@bmonk Thank you for a sane, unbiased voice for prolifers. True prolifers do not take ANYONE’S life lightly- to kill what God has created is anathema to them.

Neither do true pro-lifers ignore life after birth. They provide the means of caring for the lives they save when they are involved with real people rather than political hot potatoes.
Sheila said, 5 months ago

My mother in law was forced into an abortion in the 1940s by her mother. She always regretted it. It might have been her only daughter. The 5 in my name stands for 5 kids, all of which have the same BLACK father that I married 15 years ago. It is a sad statistic, but not always true. Again, it is sad that that Dr. was gunned down in front of his family and friends. Again I do not believe he was right in aborting ANY baby, late or Early term. But let’s focus on his FAMILY now who is living with this horror and pray for their healing.
LibrarianInTraining said, 5 months ago

shewith5, good for you! Raising 5 kids is tough. I’m glad your kids have a father. 40% of kids tonight will go to bed without one.

Both me and hubby are 1 out of 5, so we know how tough it can be to handle so many at once. Keep up the good work, and God will reward you! Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he shall not depart from it.

God bless you as you raise your children. May they rise up to call you blessed when they are grown.

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