State of the Union by Carl Moore
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State of the Union is the result of a self-professed "fallen liberal’s" journey from radical socialism to conversative cartooning. Combining startling caricatures with a sly sense of humor and a sharp eye for satire, this innovative new strip will be sure to tickle your funnybone while making you think.
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hungryraptor said, 8 months ago
That is not correct FLS. Some of the most successful TV personalities have been black (Oprah, Bill Cosby) some of the most successful singers have been black (Will Smith, Whitney Houston) there is a black Supreme Court justice, we have elected blacks to congress and now the president but we are still called cowards?
HUMPHRIES
said,
8 months ago
Standard Moore.
mytinytown said, 8 months ago
On a whole, white people are not the “racist” the news makes them out to be.
farleftside
Wow, you call Carl a liar and are in love with Obama? You are not credible at all. You liberals put more spin on EVERYTHING, like you think we are even in Afghanistan fighting and killing innocent people. You claim we are in the illegally and had no reason to invade. No reason to invade Afghanistan???? Where were you on September 11, 2001? In la la land sleeping? You claim we have killed MILLIONS of innocent people in Iraq. These are ALL lies and you can sit there and call Carl a liar???? YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!! I bet your favorite song is “I’m a Liar” by Henry Rollins, right?
ANandy said, 8 months ago
It is interesting that this country, which has led the world in promoting equality, has to listen to dribble from another race pimp.
Radical-Knight
said,
8 months ago
The way I see it, is the only cowards are the insecure bigoted closet racists who keep complaining about it. They, themselves are cowardly lions that find an audience to strut around in front of squealing, “Hear me roar”. If not for THEM, the matter would dissolve and go away so we could be one nation. What difference does color make anyway.
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That’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.
[EDIT] - …and it’s not George Bush’s fault.
JonD17 said, 8 months ago
Farleftside, very well said, especially re making the point that it is not just about Whites. Blacks, Hispanics, even Jews do not want to inconvenience themselves with the actually small effort of opening the dialogues which will truly set us all free.
attyush said, 8 months ago
I do agree with FLS to an extent. But I guess on a race related discussion it is easy to get misunderstood (and that could be a career killer). Hence most folks avoid the topic altogether. Mr. Holder asks us to show courage, but it is easier said than done on this issue.
hungryraptor said, 8 months ago
FLS you are right he did not mention a particular race but his comment is still inaccurate. With our schools, work and neighborhoods multi-racial you cannot blanket cover the country as cowards. It was our President that used the phrase “Typical white person”. There are people who have a problem with race…not the country. There will never be a place on earth that is racist free in thought.
OnTarget said, 8 months ago
This country did elect a Blank President. Holder’s boss who is himself a black man. We elected an Irish Catholic what over 40 years ago. Just where is the cowardice here
rookie26201 said, 8 months ago
People of color tend to be just as racist as any white person.
OnTarget said, 8 months ago
satipera Only about 11 of the 19 were. The others were from several countries. 1/2 of them went through Iran to get to this country maybe we should invade them.
BirishB said, 8 months ago
We may have made progress by electing a black man as president, but a fair number of people did not want that to happen for racial reasons. As well, tolerance of Arabs (Muslims in particular) has regressed in the past decade, and there is still prevalent and rampant hatred of Mexican immigrants as a class.
As an additional comment on our “progress,” women are still paid less than men in the workplace.
Perhaps Mr. Holder would have been better suited making his comment about “tolerance” in general, but he is dead on accurate in saying that we are too afraid to have the conversation necessary to continue the progress we have made.
hungryraptor said, 8 months ago
BirishB there will always be racists in the world. Obama is one of them…If I would have said a statement like “typical black person” that would have been marked as a racist comment by everyone. Having racists in the country is no excuse to spout we are a nation of cowards. The ironic thing is the racists are the races that are yelling racism.
BirishB said, 8 months ago
raptor – Perhaps we are a nation of cowards because we are willing to accept that “there will always be racists in the world” and so there is no point in dealing with the problem.
Or, perhaps we are a nation of cowards because we continually want to point fingers (“the racists are the races that are yelling racism”) rather than examining our biases and seeking solutions.
attyush said, 8 months ago
“A little less conversation, a little more action, please”
Mr. Holder, we are about 20 years ahead of the dialog stage. If you really believe there is a problem (you just have to look at the residential division to agree with Mr. Holder), then take firm actions. By saying that “everyone” needs to confront his/her fears, you are essentially washing your hands off this issue.
OnTarget said, 8 months ago
Tolerance is a two way street. Not 6 months ago I was called a racist for saying I don’t want any one with less then a single term in the senate to become president. It was a black man. He took it as “Well your a racist because you think a Black man can’t be president”. The answer I gave him was a simple “NO”. Also I haven’t changed my mind.
FLS you and others are correct but what you fail to see is the writer is correct to. What is now the question is how to deal with the issue.
rookie26201 Thank you!
hungryraptor said, 8 months ago
You cannot look for a solution for a problem that cannot be solved. It is illegal to act on racism but you can never stop someone from thinking it. This nation is not racist, it has racist people living in it as there are around the world and always will have them and will be. It has evolved to the point where others are now interrupting and telling you what you can say or do or they will take it as racist. What is the goal here where we have to “prove” we’re not racist? It’s getting to the point where you are racist until proven otherwise.
mytinytown said, 8 months ago
satipera
I did NOT say Iraq was right or wrong, I said he lies about the millions of innocent dead in Iraq. I feel it was NOT wrong, Iraq was a terrorist state and 23 UN resolutions said so. But if you feel otherwise, so be it. But do not (not saying YOU did) tell me we had no reason to go in to Afghanistan.
jack75287 said, 8 months ago
There will always be racists. There will always be people who will call others racists to manipulate others. Both are small minded. As for the today’s strip I think it is great.
satipera
Ok I’ll bite where in the world is there better race relations then in America?
attyush said, 8 months ago
Spot on HR.
Eric Holder and Barack Obama have the opportunity to inspire a generation. Maybe they worked twice as hard because they thought that their skin color could be an issue. They did not reach here by “opening up dialog” on race. Instead they are here because they gave interviews articulating their skills. They did not drop out of high school. Their children are not born outside of wedlock.
With his current status, Mr. Holder needs to do a lot more than just “open dialog”. He needs to ensure good education and opportunity for the underprivileged. He needs to share his success story with people of color. A dialog would help, but nothing like individual courage and determination. In the end, he is right, but the courage that he talks about has to be shown in our choices…not in our ability to just talk about the race issues.
While there will always be people who are racists and bigots, Mr. Holder underestimates the number of people who are above these petty thoughts. I am not white and I have never seen racism at my place of work or neighborhood.
mytinytown said, 8 months ago
satipera
“Iraq who if anything disliked Islamic fundamentalist political violence”
WHAT?????
There WERE Islamic fundamentalist who sough out massive political violence.
As for Saudi Arabia we can not attack them because then we would be fuel less. Even worse now cause democrats will not let us be oil independent like Bush did try.
jmworacle said, 8 months ago
I have to admit that I am surprised that I am agreeing with farleftside about this comic. While I grew up in the south I really did not know predujice until I lived up north. As farleftside has pointed out the there were predujice against certain ethnic groups. While I doubt that some people will completely forget about differences either ,by skin colour, nationality, and or religion things have come a long way the last fifty or so years.
What Barack Obama has accomplished is a wonderful achievement but he needs to bring the ship to the center.
hungryraptor said, 8 months ago
jmworacle, Obama cannot bring a ship to center on race when he makes racist remarks himself.
jack75287 said, 8 months ago
mytinytown
Tiny hang it up with satipera. He will always avoid what he doesn’t want to answer. End of story. I asked him if he hate Carl Moore so much why dose he come back. He gave some side step about ignorance. Then refused how to say how he feels that Moore gives him a voice here. He is small and frankly hates America. He is not really open about it but if there is a criticism of anyone America is his target about ½ the time. Then Israel. I also asked him another question today still no answer. Real open minded.
jack75287 said, 8 months ago
hungryraptor
I don’t think of Obama as a racist but still the comment about his Grandparents being common white people was bad. He gives a great speech. When he gets interviewed that is where he gets messed up. Like leno with the special Olympics remark. He is not the great orator some people want everyone else to believe. The thing about his grand parents that gets me, he did not want anyone to know, his Grand Mother was get this, a Vice President for the Bank of Hawaii. He wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth don’t think he ever had it, but his life was better then well over ½ the country after the age of 9.
hungryraptor said, 8 months ago
jack75287
I honestly have no clue if Obama is a true racist, I don’t know what is in his heart but would be afraid to find out. A huge part of racism is stereotyping and a comment like “typical white people” fits that bill to a T. If I would say “typical black person” in any sentence I would be labeled as a racist in a heartbeat. He made a racist comment, but has his administration telling us we are cowards and WE have to be educated.
mytinytown said, 8 months ago
jack75287
Yes I know that about satipera, i have made the same comment. But I will not let someone twist what I say around like that and get away with it. If not for satipera’s sake, for the sake of who else may read it.
jack75287 said, 8 months ago
hungryraptor
Your are right.
jack75287 said, 8 months ago
Wrong again satipera. There was one only one Al Qaeda camp in Iraq at the time of the invasion. I know you don’t care what I think but it is true.
Saddam used what ever he wanted when he wanted and know one could tell him different.
jack75287 said, 8 months ago
mytinytown
Sorry if I have.
mytinytown said, 8 months ago
satipera
I listed why I believe it.
Why did you state earlier “September 11th. The bombers were all Saudi nationals, yet Bush invaded Iraq. It was a great excuse to do what he had decided to do years earlier, but what a terrible mess it has all turned into.”
This makes me think you were suggesting I was mentioning Iraq, the only thing at that time that I said about Iraq is someones claim to millions of innocents dead. Did not say if we had the right to invade or not. To me that is twisting, trying to suggest I said something I did not. I DO agree with Iraq as I have stated and that is because Saddam HAS attacked us in the past, he harbors terrorists, he did alot of the same things Hitler did and we took him down (mass graves, torture prisons and killing blindly with out care or concern). Which you might think was wrong of us. I don’t understand your mindless thought pattern, but don’t really care anymore.
From this day I am done talking to you about WWII AND 9-11 attacks from either Afghanistan or Iraq.
BirishB said, 8 months ago
Just a few FYIs:
The Iraq-Al Quieda link is fiction. That comes straight from a Pentagon study conducted during the Bush years.
Saddam was for a secular pan-Arab government and decidedly against religious influence in politics. This comes, also, from the Bush administration, and is supported by Saddam’s attempts at ethnic cleansing.
Dems are decidedly for oil independence. That is the A-number-1 talking point of dems.
And Bush was not pro-oil independence. He ran an oil business (into the ground) before the White House and remained partial to big oil for 8 grueling years. He even invaded Iraq to shore up oil reserves (preemptive strike was a ruse because striking to sure up oil access would have been political suicide on the world stage).
jack75287 said, 8 months ago
Wow an insult covering an attempt to evade a question. Fine Moore gave you a voice how do you feel about that. That is not ramblings. Second this is an open forum I will make what ever comments I like so long as I do not attack anyone. Unlike your rude behavior the other day.
jack75287 said, 8 months ago
BirishB
There was still a single training camp to give Al Quieda some lib services. Saddam had a number of camps for Hammas and for Arafat’s group. It was lib service and the connection for Al Quieda Iraq on 9/11 yea it was not there.
hungryraptor said, 8 months ago
BirishB, the Dems are for oil independence via conservation only which will not work…even by a long shot.
TapiocaHead
said,
8 months ago
Could we ever find a medium to get along? I fear to say that it will never happen as long as the divide on so many social issues is still running skin deep.
“Cowards” are those who refuse to see that racism do exist and is a fabric in the thoughts of many.
attyush said, 8 months ago
@BirishB:
Bush did not invade Iraq, USA did with complete backing from the Congress and Senate. The bill had 23 reasons (WMD being 1 of them) and these were debated and finally voted.
Iraq’s oil production at full flow is valued at around $80 Bn a year. Annual cost of millitary operation in Iraq is somewhere around $100 Bn. It would have been cheaper to just buy it.
Iraq’s oil belongs to Iraqis, a move confirmed by the open bidding on oil wells. The members of congress are self serving, but not idiots. They can do the math.
jack75287 said, 8 months ago
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp
The original story I read was back when I was in Iraq. Here is something I just found. The trainees were sent to Afghanistan some may have stayed in Iraq but yea they had a camp. Still come on now. How could something this prevalent not have something going on in Iraq considering the region and all?
BirishB said, 8 months ago
raptor – you missed the “green economy” completely; i.e. replacing oil dependence with alternative fuel sources.
Jack – the pentagon said clearly and unequivocally “No link between Saddam and Al Quieda.” Period. Also, Hammas was active in Iraq after the invasion. Look up the history. It is irrefutable.
BirishB said, 8 months ago
attyush – Sorry, but I respectfully disagree.
Almost every reason Bush gave the US public and the Congress later proved false. Until I hear a reasonable explanation on that spectrum of falsehoods, I will consider Iraq to be Bush’s action.
Look at the no-bid contracts that went to Bush cronies – Halliburton and Bechtel Corp. Bush cronies made billions off Iraq.
In any case, we could not have purchased the entire lot of oil from Iraq. Saddam would never have given up his sole source of power. In fact, Saddam presented a threat in that he could have cut off our supply; ergo, attack and gain unfettered access to the oil.
jack75287 said, 8 months ago
Middle of the second paragrah states:
“Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000”
In 2006 there was no training camps. We closed them down.
jack75287 said, 8 months ago
BirishB I would like to see the context of your evidence.
attyush said, 8 months ago
@BirishB:
I have always maintained that Iraq war was unjustified. Even if Bush wanted to push his agenda, Congress should have reined him in. My point is that today all Democrats are merrily pointing their finger towards Bush and wishing that their accomplice would go unnoticed. And the tragedy is that they are right. I read liberal blogs and these guys are just too happy to crucify Bush.
It has actually become fashionable to blame Bush for everything…even by people who have no clue to what is really going on around. The RIO indeed went to Halliburton as a no-bid contract and there have been plenty of dissent around that. But it had nothing to do with Iraqi Oil. The contract was essentially to rebuild oil wells in case Saddam starts destroying those wells. That contract was indeed shady to say the least. And this is a proof of government corruption, not conspiracy theory around Iraqi Oil.
hungryraptor said, 8 months ago
BirishB, the green is non-existent. My car, airplanes and busses will never run on wind or solar power and ethanol is triple the cost to produce than oil based fuel much less it would take all the corn we produce to achieve that. I will never be able to fit my family into a compact and make it up a hill. The dream of green is all nice but it totally ignores reality.
BirishB said, 8 months ago
@ Jack – look up Pentagon report on terrorism in Iraq. According to that report, any Hussein-backed terrorist activity was sponsorship of Iraqi individuals, not groups. These activities speak to guerrilla warfare tactics and not coercion in Islamic fundamentalist terrorist activity. Big difference.
raptor – so because we can’t run an airplane on alternative fuel now it means we never will? Wow. Might I remind you that the moon landing once seemed impossible. Ethanol, by the way, would not take all our corn to produce, and the only reason we talk about ethanol is because corn farmer have their hands in the pockets of politicians in Washington. Ethanol is a red herring and there are far more viable alternatives – hydrogen fuel cells and eclectic power, just to name two. Don’t fear progress just because it represents change.
@ attyush – again I respectfully disagree. I have no problem blaming Bush for a number of his actions because he has never answered for them and because I think there are a lot unanswered questions about his governance.
The profit from oil in Iraq was secondary and a nice cherry on top of Bush’s sundae. Bush feared that oil would become unavailable to the West, and so he attacked Iraq so that we would not have our supply choked off. Chinese oil buying was already upping the price for the West, and Bush’s love of the black gold had us slowly edging into a bidding war for essential natural resources. Essentially, he saw a supply of oil and he went after it so as to avoid a price war we would lose; nations attacking other nations for natural resources is an idea as old as history, but its an ugly mess (i.e. Iraq attacking Kuwait). But that’s the truth and its too bad that Bush and his crowd were just too chicken s–t to say it out loud.
BirishB said, 8 months ago
Lastly, to all of you:
Good night. Farewell. And A-men.
jmworacle said, 8 months ago
When I posted that the President should steer the ship to the center I meant policy wise. Again as I have pointed out several times on this site that the last three Democratic candidates that have won the election for President ran a “conservative to moderate” camapain.So far, one failed miserably and the other was smart enough to read the writing on the wall. Regarding President Obama’a remark about his bowling score being in the league of someone in the Special Olympics I took extreme offense. One of my grand-nephews received a trophy in the Special Olympics in ironically bowling. To our good friends on the left, had President Bush or some other prominent conservative made the same remark do you believe there wouldn’t be an severe backlash?
sablebrush5 said, 8 months ago
What’s ironic about Iraq is that this “greatest foreign policy blunder in history” (the conventional liberal wisdom on Iraq) is slowly turning into a success.
If twenty years from now we look back and see that Iraq has become a more-or-less representative democracy with a prosperous, free-market economy and it stands as an example of an Arab Muslim state that successfully made the transition from a dictatorial basket case to a thriving modern, open society that’s the envy of the entire Middle East, then was Bush’s decision to invade correct and worth the 4,000 plus lives and 600 billion dollars?
Many people would say yes. But the “if” in the above is a big one. Iraq could very well descend into chaos once we’re completely out of there. Which is why we won’t be completely out of there for a very long time. The reward of a successful Iraq (and the pain of a failed Iraq)is too great to jeopardize at this point by leaving too quickly.
attyush said, 8 months ago
@BirishB:
I can list things that Bush did right and things that he messed up real bad. But I am sure you are not interested in it. There is nothing that I can do if you want to keep up the Oil conspiracy. But honestly, it is just that.
Again, like I mentioned, buying oil would have been cheaper (despite China upping consumption).
jack75287 said, 8 months ago
BirishB satipera
I can’t believe I am reading this. BirishB you said the work over there was done by individuals and not related to Fundamentalist groups. What groups were they form, what did they do? Post a link. Satipera the same congress that said the Surge failed. That has an ax to grind with the previous administration.