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And Obama has pledged not to raise your taxes…… Lets see how much longer that will last.
But that is all right we should take pride in the fact we have the fattest poor in the world.
And the rich can always hire an accountant and lawyers to manipulate and try to stay ahead of the IRS.
You want something that will benefit the middle class?
FAIR TAX!
Concentrating on class levels is too European for me. The real issue is being productive, whether it’s the poor working to move up, the rich investing for economic growth, or the huge majority in between going to work every day and doing their jobs.
On the other side is–among others–the army of bureaucrats and politicians who see productive people of all levels as herd animals to be domesticated, sheared, milked, and worked until they drop.
It’s the difference between the Founding Fathers’ view of America as a land where you pursue your happiness under a government set up to protect your rights versus the European view that it is your duty to supply the needs of everyone else as collected and redistributed by the government.
It’s the difference between the rarely stated and badly defended American philosophy of individualism and the ancient and near universal philosophy of collectivism in which the individual is merely a cell in an organism, a cog in a machine. Without the American Constitution to restrain it, collectivism gave the world the horrors of the Nazis and Soviets. Under the American system– which at least started out based on individual rights–we became the freest and most prosperous nation in history.
But if the purpose of government is now to run the economy, provide health care, solve social ills, support research, educate our children, fix our bridges, and on and on and on, then there is no limit to how much the government can take away from you. And little by little that will include taking away more and more of your rights, whether you are poor, rich, or middle class.
He promised not to raise taxes on the MIDDLE class.
There is a lot of fat to fry in that class which hires accountants, lawyers and lobbyist, not to mention hiring blue dogs and Republicans.
Class warfare - of the rich against the poor - goes on all the time, everywhere. But it is disguised by flowerly phrases about «individualism» and «property rights», so that the poor won’t realise what’s going on and fight back. The Leitmotif, pschearer, of Nazism was not, as you claim, collectivism - remember that Hitler claimed to be and was accepted as the «bulwark against Bolshevism» - but rather a special sense of entitlement - we the Germans are das Herrenvolk, destined to rule the world. Read your comment above and gain perhaps some insight into where that special sense of entitlement finds its locus today….
“Read my lips, no new taxes.” You guys remember this fellah? He was a Republican I believe. So don’t put it all on the Democrats, or that Obama guy. I doubt he’ll be able to hold out either. But at least he’s trying.
One of the great propaganda coups of the 20th century occurred when the Nazis and Communists convinced their respective adherents at home and admirers overseas that they were fundamentally different.
This lie was used by both sides to further their goals. But in reality they were both murderous, totalitarian, socialist dictatorships that advocated the subjugation of the individual to the collective and the elimination of all individual freedom under a system of terror.
It makes no difference that for the Nazis the favored collective was a supposed racial group and for the Soviets it was the proletariat. It makes no difference that they opposed each other. The mass-murdering result was the same. Any superficial difference is no more important than the width of Stalin’s and Hitler’s mustaches.
Henri, I’m sorry that you consider individualism and property rights as “flowery phrases”. So is “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”. Can I take it you are opposed to all of them?
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nomad2112 said, 3 months ago
Yep …
harleyquinn
said,
3 months ago
And Obama has pledged not to raise your taxes…… Lets see how much longer that will last.
But that is all right we should take pride in the fact we have the fattest poor in the world.
And the rich can always hire an accountant and lawyers to manipulate and try to stay ahead of the IRS.
You want something that will benefit the middle class?
FAIR TAX!
pschearer
said,
3 months ago
Concentrating on class levels is too European for me. The real issue is being productive, whether it’s the poor working to move up, the rich investing for economic growth, or the huge majority in between going to work every day and doing their jobs.
On the other side is–among others–the army of bureaucrats and politicians who see productive people of all levels as herd animals to be domesticated, sheared, milked, and worked until they drop.
It’s the difference between the Founding Fathers’ view of America as a land where you pursue your happiness under a government set up to protect your rights versus the European view that it is your duty to supply the needs of everyone else as collected and redistributed by the government.
It’s the difference between the rarely stated and badly defended American philosophy of individualism and the ancient and near universal philosophy of collectivism in which the individual is merely a cell in an organism, a cog in a machine. Without the American Constitution to restrain it, collectivism gave the world the horrors of the Nazis and Soviets. Under the American system– which at least started out based on individual rights–we became the freest and most prosperous nation in history.
But if the purpose of government is now to run the economy, provide health care, solve social ills, support research, educate our children, fix our bridges, and on and on and on, then there is no limit to how much the government can take away from you. And little by little that will include taking away more and more of your rights, whether you are poor, rich, or middle class.
harleyquinn
said,
3 months ago
Well put pshearer!
We live in the USA where “class” should not matter. But we have a Prez who got into office on class warfare! Sad sad sad.
cabrobst said, 3 months ago
He promised not to raise taxes on the MIDDLE class.
There is a lot of fat to fry in that class which hires accountants, lawyers and lobbyist, not to mention hiring blue dogs and Republicans.
Briscoe
said,
3 months ago
You’re cruel, Mr. Bumpers. Just cruel.
Cabrobst, I agree on the available fat but the middle class has the numbers. As to counting on a politician’s promises, I’m not so confident there.
M Henri Day said, 3 months ago
Class warfare - of the rich against the poor - goes on all the time, everywhere. But it is disguised by flowerly phrases about «individualism» and «property rights», so that the poor won’t realise what’s going on and fight back. The Leitmotif, pschearer, of Nazism was not, as you claim, collectivism - remember that Hitler claimed to be and was accepted as the «bulwark against Bolshevism» - but rather a special sense of entitlement - we the Germans are das Herrenvolk, destined to rule the world. Read your comment above and gain perhaps some insight into where that special sense of entitlement finds its locus today….
Henri
Dypak
said,
3 months ago
“Read my lips, no new taxes.” You guys remember this fellah? He was a Republican I believe. So don’t put it all on the Democrats, or that Obama guy. I doubt he’ll be able to hold out either. But at least he’s trying.
nomad2112 said, 3 months ago
Oh, I remember that he signed a bipartisan agreement and then the Dems & Libs threw him to the dogs for it.
pschearer
said,
3 months ago
To M Henri Day:
One of the great propaganda coups of the 20th century occurred when the Nazis and Communists convinced their respective adherents at home and admirers overseas that they were fundamentally different.
This lie was used by both sides to further their goals. But in reality they were both murderous, totalitarian, socialist dictatorships that advocated the subjugation of the individual to the collective and the elimination of all individual freedom under a system of terror.
It makes no difference that for the Nazis the favored collective was a supposed racial group and for the Soviets it was the proletariat. It makes no difference that they opposed each other. The mass-murdering result was the same. Any superficial difference is no more important than the width of Stalin’s and Hitler’s mustaches.
Henri, I’m sorry that you consider individualism and property rights as “flowery phrases”. So is “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”. Can I take it you are opposed to all of them?
Briscoe
said,
3 months ago
I give the point on this one to pschearer.