Pat Oliphant by Pat Oliphant

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deadheadzan said, 2 months ago

This is exactly how it’s done. Pat masterfully points it out for all to see. The little light bulb finally coming on as doofus looks at the guns.
snailhead said, 2 months ago

Another blatant attack on the First Amendment.

Let’s see now how the Elite Media is spinning this:
1) You disagree with the President’s Policies, ergo, you’re racist
2) You vocally disagree with the Government policies, ergo you’re a Tim McVey wannabe.
3) You watch Fox News, you agree with Beck and Hannity, you are really evil.

(Fox) News Flash: It’s not working :-)
tommyscanlon said, 2 months ago

well, yes there deadhead… “Pat Oliphant masterfully points it out”… but I’ve not seen anyone actually do that on Fox News. Pat Oliphant draws what he sees in his own embellished mind, not what he sees on TV.
dtriedel said, 2 months ago

Makes sense to me.
d_legendary1 said, 2 months ago

Obviously Tommy doesn’t know about Glenn Beck, Shawn Hannity, Greatta Von Uglystick, Shepard Smith, Fox and Friends, and Bill O’Riely.

And that’s only on one station, not counting the ones who are all over the radio waves like Lardass Limbaugh, Michael “Weiner” Savage, and Matt “Gay Guy” Fudge.
peddlerp said, 2 months ago

Oliphant, satire is one thing, but lies and stupidity is really out of line!

This is disgusting!
oldlegodad said, 2 months ago

VA Pilot printed apology for ollies “g=dam” in liberal rant of last week.
Jase99 said, 2 months ago

Lies and stupidity? “Some people would say” the the comic isn’t all that far from the truth.

Fox’s pundits spread their lies, innuendo, and half truths under the guise of “some people would say”. Sure some would say it. Some people at Fox News just did. Some other people would say it’s utter BS. Still others would say we need to wear tinfoil hats to keep alien radio waves from taking over our thoughts. I don’t need “some people” to tell me what to think.
Jim said, 2 months ago

It appears , to me , Mr . Oliphant couldn’t ” boil ” his idea , down to a single panel .
Simon_Jester said, 2 months ago

Rush Limbaugh once compared The Obama agend to al-Qaeda’s agenda.

And if you ask any American….ANY AMerican what should be done with al-Qaeda, what do you think will be their answer?
Ken Warren said, 2 months ago

First I have two question: Why in 21st century America (which as Fox often points out is the Greatest Country in the World) why would someone feel the need to bring a loaded gun to a public meeting where the President is speaking?

Now to my point, if you watch Fox as I do you will hear the following: Obama is a racist and hates white people, he may not even be an American so isn’t really President, he wants to turn America into a socialist state, he wants to destroy health care and set up “Death Panels”, he ( and the Democrats) want to take away our guns!

Now if you have heard all of this, and are at a public meeting where the President (the one who “You Lie”) is speaking more “lies” and you are someone who feels the need to take a loaded gun to a public meeting – What do you think that sort of person might do?

So my second questions is Why do you feel this cartoon is so far out?

We in America need to stop “Attack Politics” and talk, maybe we can be the greatest country in the world.
Simon_Jester said, 2 months ago

I have a question for snailhead and the rest of the conservatives attacking this cartoon.

Does this mean the right-wingers are gonna take back all their claims that video games and rock lyrics incite kids to commit acts of violence? I seem to recall them wanting Ice-T’s ‘Cop Killer’ banned right now for that very reason.
ahab said, 2 months ago

Another Oliphant masterpiece. Skewer the weasels!
none.of.the.above said, 2 months ago

We should recall, after Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in Israel, all Bibi Netanyahu had to say, was “Who, me?” If only the repercussions of the hate-mongers would come back to them first! But as the Qur’an says, “God is the best of plotters.” He will have the last word.
HUMPHRIES said, 2 months ago

Seems that Pat has stung a few here.
believecommonsense said, about 1 month ago

Can anyone read what Punk is saying? I can’t make it out.
wwward said, about 1 month ago

This guy will say anything to make those who care about the Constitution and rule of law look stupid.

When he is in chains from the Bush/Obama/Pelosi/Reed one-worlders, he will wonder, “I thought they would make me a king?”
trudyjh said, about 1 month ago

A blatant attack on the First Amendment, that’s a joke, right? Those of us who remember lynch mobs know what we were seeing at the Palin
kill him” rallies, fed and continued by FauxNews/Beck/Limbaugh, et al.
tesh said, about 1 month ago

Meanwhile, Where’s Rupert?

Perfect cartoon, this is how it’s being done - a little whisper here - a little whisper there.

Plant the seed, plant as many seeds as you can while the ground is fertile… many will germinate, some will grow.
churchillwasright said, about 1 month ago

WARREN: Every one of the issues you brought up have been discussed on every other news channel, not just Fox. The difference is, as compared to MSNBC, where you have two liberals sitting there agreeing with each other, on Fox you actually have a conservative and a liberal screaming at each other. I’m so sick of listening to Beckel and LaMont that I’m going to gag! If you only want one point of view reported in the news, move to Venezuala!

And nobody brought a gun to where Obama was speaking. Wake up!

CORRECTED TO READ MSNBC
David Driver said, about 1 month ago

This is over the top. Is he suggesting that FOX News is encouraging people to assassinate the President?! This is inexcusable. I hope the cartoonist at least admits he went too far.
Jase99 said, about 1 month ago

I don’t want ANY point of view reported. I won’t watch pundits blather on about how the opposition is wrong. I want actual news presented in an unbiased, non-partisan manor. By “real news,” I don’t mean a 24-hour news cycle about some drugged up lip-syncer cutting her hair to avoid a hair analysis drug test.

David, the Fox “News” amalgam didn’t say anything about killing anyone and clearly stated he didn’t advocate violence. He used the same innuendo the Fox pundits have already used. He merely reported. It’s up to the nut job to decide.
av8tor said, about 1 month ago

I carry a gun…because a cop is too heavy…
4uk4ata said, about 1 month ago

@ Churchill - I haven’t watched MSNBC for quite a while, but I remember conservative viewpoints being represented, on many shows. Who do you think are the liberals on Fox?
BOB HASTY said, about 1 month ago

I watch CNBC all/every day. They have never had two liberals on the same program!! CNBC has the same agenda at FOX [just more expensive suits!!

Turning FOX off is not censorship.
It’s just good citizenship!!
GustawR said, about 1 month ago

@churchill
If you only want one point of view reported in the news, move to Venezuala!

1-I suppose you mean Venezuela.
2-Please get your facts straight. More than half of Venezuela TV channels are rabidly against the government, so your comment is totally off the real world.
Alan Miller said, about 1 month ago

The Oliphant cartoons have been reproduced way too small of late. They are so pixelated I can’t read some of the print.
4uk4ata said, about 1 month ago

Actually, I think Church meant MSNBC . I guess they are owned by the same network, but I though CNBC was more of a business network and tended to lean somewhat to the right.
4irishmike said, about 1 month ago

Beautiful!
RobSmithJr2 said, about 1 month ago

First, the “attack Politics” seemed fine with folks for the 8 years previous to the current mess we have. From one mess to another. Maybe Olipant should see the similarities between Bush and Obama and the media stances. Where was a similar cartoon of MSNBC during the Bush years?

Second, it is silly of me to ask the last question when I think this is irresponsible no matter who is in office or what the media is or isn’t doing to present commentary like this. But there is a first amendment and he’s certainly should be able to present his views. If only Oliphant would recognize he’s in the same business and under the same Constitution as Fox News.
oldlegodad said, about 1 month ago

800# “meanwhile, where’s Rupert (Murdoc)?
ezdeb said, about 1 month ago

Amazing how people believe, with no actual factual backup, that our president is a secret muslim/fascist/terrorist loving non-American racist. These same people are just shocked! that anyone in this thread could possibly think that the uber-patriotic Fox Network is not completely and totally NOT inciting emotional responses to healthcare reform. The very idea!!

Sheesh.
bikemaster said, about 1 month ago

Why argue with idiots?
wizman440 said, about 1 month ago

Once again, Pat doesn’t let facts or reality get in the way of a good smear…
halhurst said, about 1 month ago

Fear suppresses rationality. That is how some pols seek to control us. It also seems to be the strategy for getting viewers, when news resembles entertainment more than fact.

Let’s get real- Fox is pandering, which might be acceptable if it WERE only entertainment. But it’s presented as fact, and people who think it’s real cannot make good decisions based on this blather, and may in fact be incited to do real harm.
tagmike said, about 1 month ago

Very well done, Pat.

Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity et al urging viewers to “arm yourselves to overthrow this tyranny” cannot be construed as anything but this sort of incitement to violence. This has nothing to do with opposing Obama’s policies. It is about hate.

Oh, and I’m pretty sure the First Amendment does not cover treason.
zzazzenn said, about 1 month ago

See for yourself:

Man Carrying An Assault Rifle And Pistol Outside Obama Event:

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/man-carrying-an-assault-rifle-and-pistol-outside-obama-event.php
Ken Warren said, about 1 month ago

Churchill - Since I don’t have copies of the news videos I saw I wont argue with you about people bringing loaded guns to the President’s public meeting, but the fact is that people did bring loaded guns to other public meetings on health care. They were filmed and interviewed by all of the news networks, including Fox.

So my question still remains: “Why did they feel the need to bring a loaded gun to a public meeting, and if they are the type of person who feels the need to carry a loaded gun around isn’t there a chance they might use it?”
nietzsky said, about 1 month ago

Is Karl Rove chief editor?
tjanus said, about 1 month ago

Excellent cartoon comrade. Commissar Obama will allow this to be published in the state-run media. You are now eligible for a People’s Endowment for the State-Run Arts.
Corosive Frog said, about 1 month ago

Unless they are extraordinarily stupid, I don’t think any right wing personnality really want Obama assassinated. Think of the backfire!

All they want is ratings

I don’t think Kox wants Obama assassinated, even secretely, but their race for controversy is a very dangerous game. I was born 20 years after Oswald was killed, but I know all it takes is one word too many and one nutcase.
believecommonsense said, about 1 month ago

thank you oldlego
churchillwasright said, about 1 month ago

4UK4: You are absolutely correct. I meant MSNBC, not CNBC. I don’t know how I missed my obvious mistake. I proofed it twice. This blog is making my eyes bleary! For what it’s worth, I’ve corrected it. Thanks!

As far as liberals on Fox, their regular contributors include, in no particular order:

Alfonse D’Amato, Geraldine Ferraro, Alan Colmes, Lamont Hill, Marv Kalb, Susan Estrich, Juan Williams, Howard Wolfson, Geraldo Rivera, Mara Liasson, Wesley Clark, Mary Ann Marsh, Kirsten Powers, Zell Miller, Pat Caddell, Mort Kondrache, Neil Gabler (til he left to work for PBS), Jane Hall, Judith Miller, just off the top of my head.

Actually, remove Geraldo from that list. He has his own show. (I used to be a PA for him!)

They also trot out Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton whenever they are relevant (?) And Donald Trump regularly.

Fox News Sunday usually has both a Republican and Democrat on to debate both sides of an issue.

Cavuto has more democratic legislators on per hour on a daily basis than any show I can imagine.

O’Reilly typically has on two libs at a time to argue against him.

Even Hannity, who’s show I liked better when he was paired with Colmes, and is the most partisan of all Fox personalities, has liberal guests, and has a nightly panel that has 2 on the left and 2 on the right.

Liberals don’t consider Van Susteren as one of their own, and neither do Conservatives. Perhaps because she is a self discribed Liberatian.

That leaves Beck. Many Republicans don’t like him. Democrats hate him. That’s because he’s also a libertairian. I remember him debating (with himself) on who to vote for in both ‘04 and ‘08. He was very critical on Bush (which is ignored) and is now very critical of Obama. He thinks the entire government is screwed up and screwing us over. And he’s right.

Can you give me a list of Conservatives on MSNBC?

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KEN WARREN: Since you “don’t have have access to news videos”, let me help clarify things for you. You were referring to reports (from the left) that someone brought a gun to a public meeting where the Pres was speaking. The reality was this person was outside of the (very large) perimeter routinely set up by the Secret Service.

The other reports of people “carrying” were from “anti” HC crowds outside some town hall meetings. Note: they were not inside.

News flash for you: There a people who don’t leave their house without “carrying”. They would be “carrying” if they were going to something as innocuous as a movie theater. They feel they need it for self protection. Let me remind you that the only violence at these rallies have been from the left. In one, two SEIU guys beat up a protester, and sent him to the hospital. In another, some left wing nut bit off the finger of a protester. If either of these protesters had a gun strapped to their sides, the thugs would have assaulted somebody else. And yes, if some jerk had bit off my finger at a rally, and I still had my wits about me as I tried to find my mangled finger on the ground, I would have shot the guy in the back as he was running away.

And also, since you have no access to news videos, you might also have missed the report on MSNBC where they, in an attempt to make these armed folks seem racist, showed someone who was armed, but didn’t zoom out to show the someone was black.

Hope I’ve helped bring you up to date on news coverage.
believecommonsense said, about 1 month ago

Oliphant’s toon angers some folks because the speaker is revealed as Fox News in the last panel.

So for a moment, imagine the last panel with no words on the departing figure’s back. Notice that all of the words in the first three panels have actually been said, repeatedly.

Oliphant created a kind of story board for how unbalanced individuals can be manipulated to act violently, believing it to be for the greater good. I believe it is indeed possible, especially when the words are as hate-mongering as those said loudly and widely in the last few months. And, like Oliphant, I also believe that those who speak so irresponsibly from positions of leadership bear some responsibility. The world’s greatest leaders understand the obligation to speak responsibly and it is because they assume that mantle of responsibility that their greatness endures throughout history.

Speaker Pelosi’s words got lost in the querulousness over her tears, but what she said was quite reasonable: “I wish we would all curb some of [the harsh rhetoric] with the understanding that some of the people, the ears that it is falling on are not as balanced as the person making the statements might assume.”

Oliphant is obviously pointing the finger at Fox. — it could just as well be pointed at others, and should be, frankly.
anatheist2009 said, about 1 month ago

Ken Warren:

Carrying a loaded gun does not imply you will use it. Apparently you are unaware of the number of concealed carry permits that have been issued, and the actual number of people carrying without you knowing about it.
I have carried for over 34 years, and have never had a need to use it; except once with an encounter with a bear, and then I only shot into the air.
Jase99 said, about 1 month ago

Bringing loaded weapons to a public policy hearing is most likely a form of intimidation and disruption. That assumption is amplified by how badly disruptive people have behaved at these organized town hall meetings.
dsped said, about 1 month ago

We really need a catch-all term for the right-wing television / radio / internet / print outlets that continually spread the kind of bleeep Oliphant depicts here. I think he’s using FNC as a sort of shorthand for just that.
Ken Warren said, about 1 month ago

I know it is silly to post a comment this late, Oliphant is probably already posting a new cartoon so the odds are that no one will bother to read this, but I am hoping that some of the people who said that they carry guns will come to see if I have left a reply,so this message is for them.

I am sorry that you live in part of America where you feel the need to carry a gun for protection, but I do have to ask “Protection from who” (Or is it whom?)

Based on my own experience I would recommend that if you are going to carry a gun carry one a large caliber one – no 9mm, no assult rifes – M16 and AK 47’s only hit innocent bystanders, and if you going to open up in the streets of America there will be innocent bystanders.

That is why in Vietnam I preferred a M14 over a M16 because you were more likely to hit what you were aiming at, and when you him he went down he stayed down.

I grew up in the mountains where guns were a daily part of life – the Cub Scouts had classes about how to use and carry guns in safety, and the Boy Scouts gave badges for markmanship and hunting. My Dad gave me my first gun, a 22 with a scope, when I was ten. He said to use it for rattle snakes, which were a danger, and rabbits, which were a problem. When I was 13 I got a 30/30 to use against coyotes and wild dogs. What I was taught was “One Shot/One Kill”, get close, don’t just blast away. Guns were a tool not a toy.

Now to remind you of something I am sure you are tired of hearing, even it is true – very, very true.

Guns do not make you safer.

Owning a gun increases your, and your familys, chances of being killed by a gun. I know you are tired of hearing this, but records show that most of the people who are killed with a gun are killed by someone they know.

If you own a gun it is far far more likely that you will shoot a member of you family, or a friend, then someone who is trying to break into your house, or harm you.

I am sorry you feel the need to carry a gun in order to feel secure, but it is a false security.

One last personal note – if you do shoot someone and kill them it will effect you more then you can every imagine.

If you own a guy
churchillwasright said, about 1 month ago

KEN WARREN: In jurisdictions (and entire countries, like Australia, for instance) that enact strict gun control laws, homicides, assaults and armed robberies go UP, in places that enact “carry” laws, these statistics go DOWN.

But your original post was not about the debate on Gun Control, and neither was my answer.
jackflory said, about 1 month ago

It is frustrating trying to read the ‘conversation’ in Oliphant comics. Type needs to be larger and opened up!