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   Dale Hopson said, 6 months ago

   The UAW has been calling the shots? Didn’t know that, stewiez…

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   danielsangeo said, 6 months ago

   Of course it’s the UAW’s fault! The little people shouldn’t have power. They should be subservient to their masters. Or they can leave and try to make it on their own in the wilderness.

   I fully believe that the anti-union rhetoric from those on the right hate unions for the same reason they hate government: They empower the masses and create a true democratic-republic as opposed to the types of republics that, say, the Islamic Republic has; except they want a Christianist Republic.

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   lalas said, 6 months ago

   Well to be competitive we should just pay UAW workers $1/day and see the economy rebound in seconds.

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   cdward said, 6 months ago

   Stew, your offensive language is inexcusable, but at least it would help if you knew what you were talking about.

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   ANandy said, 6 months ago

   With the Inept BozO calling the shots, Chapter 13 can’t be far away.

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   danielsangeo said, 6 months ago

   “True democratic process in the unions? Please.”

   Actually, yes.

   “Are you really that dumb?”

   Only if you misrepresent what I say, mischaracterize it, and then slander me over your apparent confusion.

   “Ever heard of card check and the mob?”

   Yes. Card check means that, if 30% of employees sign for a “card” saying they WANT to be represented by a union, the National Labor Relations Board orders an election take place. If the outcome of the election says that a majority want a union, then a union is formed and recognized by the government and gains certain powers. If 50% or more employees request a union, then the employer has the option to bypass the NLRB’s election and just recognize the union (unless that 50+% tell the NLRB that the employer is engaged in unfair labor practices). How DARE the employees get together to have something they want! The nerve! They shouldn’t be allowed to do what they want! This is America, not a free country!

   As for the mob… what about them? Are you saying that it’s the UNION’S job to arrest criminals?

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   ANandy said, 6 months ago

   danielsangeo says: “‘True democratic process in the unions? Please.’ Actually, yes. ‘Are you really that dumb?’ Only if you misrepresent what I say, mischaracterize it, and then slander me over your apparent confusion.
   ‘Ever heard of card check and the mob?’
   Yes. Card check means that, if 30% of employees sign for a ‘card’ saying they WANT to be represented by a union, the National Labor Relations Board orders an election take place. If the outcome of the election says that a majority want a union, then a union is formed and recognized by the government and gains certain powers. If 50% or more employees request a union, then the employer has the option to bypass the NLRB’s election and just recognize the union (unless that 50+% tell the NLRB that the employer is engaged in unfair labor practices). How DARE the employees get together to have something they want! The nerve! They shouldn’t be allowed to do what they want! This is America, not a free country!”

   ANandy: Daniel, not even “Good Old Joe” is as stupid as are you.
   “If the Board finds that a majority of the employees in a unit appropriate for bargaining has signed valid authorizations designating the individual or labor organization specified in the petition as their bargaining representative and that no other individual or labor organization is currently certified or recognized as the exclusive representative of any of the employees in the unit, the Board shall not direct an election but shall certify the individual or labor organization as the representative described in subsection (a).”
   http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1409:

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   danielsangeo said, 6 months ago

   “ANandy: Daniel, not even “Good Old Joe” is as stupid as are you.”

   Latest Major Action: 3/10/2009 Referred to House committee.

   What you posted is not a law. I was telling you want “card check” has been since 1935. But, could you tell me what your problem is with what you posted?

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   danielsangeo said, 6 months ago

   And can you tell me why you think I’m stupid?

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    danielsangeo said, 6 months ago

    Or, you could clue me in now. You’re the one that thinks I’m stupid and I’d like to know why.

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    danielsangeo said, 6 months ago

    1) When properly run (that is, people are actively involved in it), they are. When people are not actively involved (due to the stigma of being a “union member” or otherwise), then the union goes to bleeep.
    2) Some do.
    3) I never said they didn’t.
    4) Citation needed.
    5) Yes. Why don’t you?
    7) No.
    8) My “tangent” about Islamists/Christianists has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with what kind of political system the Right wants. They don’t want the people to have the power because they view that as somehow being “socialist” or “communist”. They want a ruling class. Am I too far off the mark? If so, please explain how.

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    bell3rose said, 6 months ago

    Is that Click and Clack the Tappet Brothers?

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    charliekane said, 6 months ago

    Gee, Stew, I’m not really into that…

    However, economic opportunity, or the perception of economic opportunity may be the single most important stabilizing force in our nation. Unions, like any other institution, are subject to corruption. But, not all of us are business owners, professionals, etc.

    Historically, unions offered the promise of better working conditions and better wages. These promises gave workers a channel for their hopes and frustrations alternative to socialism or communism. Not all unions are lilly white? Some employers aren’t, either. See Pullman, W. Virginia coal miners strike, etc.

    BTW, if the U. S. automakers overpromised wages and benefits to the UAW, what gun was held to the automakers heads? They operated in an environment that did not take seriously competition from carmakers around the world. The narrow view that blames the U. S automakers fall on the UAW is at best dishonest.

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    fennec said, 6 months ago

    Simple explanations satisfy simple folk.