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  1. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    Too many tragedies around the world, Syria isn’t the only one. The U.N. HAS done some good over the years, despite the screwups on occasion. “Peacekeeping” is a LOT tougher than war making. Errors can be made there as well. It’s kinda’ like invading a country that doesn’t actually have WMDs any more.

  2. BrassOrchid

    BrassOrchid GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    It’s only 60,000 people so far. Saddam killed half that in a single day with the WMDs he never had. You wouldn’t want to force those people being killed to live in a free democratic state they don’t want and aren’t ready for, after all. They actually prefer slaughter and mayhem, I’m told.

  3. Pharmakeus Ubik

    Pharmakeus Ubik GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    @BrassOrchid

    Those were different WMDs, the ones we sold him.

  4. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 2 years ago

    @Pharmakeus Ubik

    “Those were different WMDs, the ones we sold him.”

    I’m having difficulty finding anything to support your allegation that we sold Sadam WMDs. Also. I would have thought that the press would have drawn and quartered the President (Clinton?) over our doing something like that. Could you direct me to any articles about your allegation?

  5. eepatt

    eepatt said, over 2 years ago

    Iraq had poison gas which we sold/gave to them, supposedly to use against Iran during the Iran/Iraq war. I think it was during Ronnie Raygun’s administration. After the Gulf War, we let Iraq keep attack helicopters and much of the munitions we had given them earier. Sadam then used the poison gas to kill Kurds. Iraqis used much of the explosives that we had given them to later make improvised explosive devices (IEDs) used to kill and maim our soldiers after the U.S. invasion. This stuff has all been in the mainstream news over the years and should not be the least controversial unless you use faux news as your only source of information.

  6. eepatt

    eepatt said, over 2 years ago

    @mikefive

    “I’m having difficulty finding anything to support your allegation that we sold Sadam WMDs.”
    Where have you been looking, faux news? You must be quite young not to know that when Iran and Iraq were fighting a war, the U.S. was on Iraq’s side and gave/sold the Iraqis lots of stuff, including nerve gas. It’s not an “allegation”, it’s history.

  7. ossiningaling

    ossiningaling said, over 2 years ago

    @eepatt

    And the really fun part is that these distracting questions have to be answered every time a post is made.
    It’s like Drew Barrymore in ‘50 First Dates’. In the morning, they forget everything that they’ve learned. I mean, read.

  8. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 2 years ago

    @eepatt

    No, eepatt, I am not quite young and I don’t watch Fox News and “everybody knows that, etc.” doesn’t fly with me. I say allegation because after ten minutes of searching I could find no verification of us having dealings with Iraq on WMDs. I was curious about the allegation and wanted to verify it myself before I got mad at whomever was involved with Iraq and WMDs.

    By your paragraph and sentence structure in a previous post, “….keep attack helicopters and much of the munitions we had given them earier. Sadam then used the poison gas to kill Kurds.”, strongly insinuates that we left poison gas behind in southern Iraq when we withdrew to Kuwait. This is not possible since the attack on Halabja occurred on March 16, 1988. Whether or not you meant that insinuation or not, your timeline is incorrect since this massacre occurred before the U. S. Gulf War.

    And lastly, you have not helped me either to find out if I should be mad at someone.

  9. zekedog55

    zekedog55 GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    @mikefive

    Plus, you could browse "Stormin’ Norman Schwarzkopf’’s autobiography…I recall he said his chief regret concerning the surrender was that he allowed Iraq to use our helicopters to deliver food and humanitarian aid the the beat up nation, and Saddam turned right around and used them to deliver poison gas to those who opposed him instead.

  10. hippogriff

    hippogriff said, over 2 years ago

    eepat: Most of the gas came from Germany. However, that is a minor detail. It all really came from those nongeographic nations called multinational corporations.

  11. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 2 years ago

    @zekedog55

    “Plus, you could browse “Stormin’ Norman Schwarzkopf’’s autobiography…”

    I appreciate that information. I hadn’t heard he’d written an autobiography. That still doesn’t tell me that we supplied Sadam with poison gas. I’m trying to get through DrCanuck’s reference right now (and it’s going to take a while!).

  12. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 2 years ago

    @DrCanuck

    Thanks DrCanuck. I just finished reading the article and the accompanying documents you referenced. If you read all of them then we must be the only two people in the world to wade through all of that. As pertains to the chemical weapons, I saw no evidence of us selling any to Iraq and only one reference to a possibility that a U.S. subsidiary sold something to Iraq. I also noted that we kept selling precursor chemicals to Iraq that could be re-manufactured by Iraqi chemical plants into poison gas while we were generically condemning chemical warfare but not Iraq specifically. I could understand their reasoning for not doing an out and out condemnation, but it was very hypocritical not to and I didn’t like it.

    Thanks, again,
    mikefive

  13. Joe

    Joe said, over 2 years ago

    @dtroutma

    the UN is like our Congress: it’s not a monolith.

    Depending on your viewpoint, for example, the Russians are enabling mass slaughter – or delaying the (probably inevitable) Islamist takeover, with its own attendant slaughter.

    Seems like there are always plenty of bad guys.

  14. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 2 years ago

    @Joe

    Congress and the U. N. are full of crooks. The difference between the U. N. and Congress is that the U. N. has more crooks.

  15. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    William Rivers Pitt and Scott Ritter wrote the book on Saddam’s LACK of WMDs as of 2002, verified by U.S. AND U.N. inspectors. Yes, he did have some prior to 91, and we destroyed them, one arsenal in particular was blown up, and poisoned a good many of our troops, many coming down with ALS, over 100 of them. The military said “not so”, but the statistics would have had only ONE case of ALS over their lifetimes, if not exposed.


    The poison gases (several types, including VX, not just Sarin) were obtained through Germany, in a deal arranged by Rumsfeld. Saddam’s centrifuges for his “nuclear program” were similarly arranged. 60 minutes did a report, well-verified, on that quite some time ago. There are other sources as well.


    Perhaps the worst thing about the U.N. is the permanent five on the Security Council, all “allies” at the end of WW II, who’ve spent the remaining years in pissing matches and wielding their veto authority, and the U.S. has frankly, been the worst, and also worst at paying our dues.


    If the “council” didn’t spend so much time and effort tying the U.N.s hand behind its back, even more positive actions could have, and could be, taken.

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