Lisa Benson by Lisa Benson

Lisa Benson

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  1. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    Besides stupid, Lisa obviously never heard of that little thing called “Patriot Act”, or “Military Commissions Act”, among other right-wing efforts to take away our freedoms over the last 35 years, with of course, "The acting President’ and his wonkies giving the movement a great kickoff.

  2. hanmari

    hanmari said, over 3 years ago

    dtroutma, you exonerate the president by claiming that these are not his policies alone. You forget that Mr. Obama promised all sorts of change, and then upheld the status quo—all the while whining that his failures are anyone’s fault but his own. Why can’t you see that the current president sold you a lie? You bought a pig in a poke, and even now that it is painfully obvious that the bag held a cat instead of a hog, you continue to blame everyone else but the man who is in charge. The people who should be shouting the loudest for impeachment should be those that were hoodwinked; instead, they close their eyes to reality and keep chanting the failed mantra of hope and change. Your cause is hopeless as long as you continue to cling to your faith in Barrack Hussein Obama.

  3. ConserveGov

    ConserveGov said, over 3 years ago


    Well said. You just summed up 90% of the liberal posters on this site.

  4. Robert Landers

    Robert Landers said, over 3 years ago


    I have seen the ultra conservatives on this site claim again, and again, that if you are not guilty of any crime, then you have nothing to worry about! And that was with both former president GW Bush, and so it should now be with the present president Obama. Or were you all lying all along?

  5. Robert Landers

    Robert Landers said, over 3 years ago

    @Robert Landers

    Heck, you certainly must not believe that if you were to make totally bad (or even downright evil comments about president Obama on this site, then you still have absolutely nothing to fear! All the ultra conservatives NEVER have anything positive to say about our current president under ANY circumstances. So, you certainly do not fear that he is even paying the slightest bit of attention to even such a controversial site as this one is!!

  6. Lynne B

    Lynne B GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago


    you exonerate the president by claiming that these are not his policies alone. You forget that Mr. Obama promised all sorts of change, and then upheld the status quo

    IS it an exoneration? The fact that Obama has upheld the status quo IS a legitimate condemnation. It’s a real and genuine disappointment. But it seems to me that the point here:

    1. Benson appears to be blaming Obama for policies created by and for the Bush government; and

    2. dtroutma is pointing out the incredible hypocrisy of the current outrage, in light of the support that the right wing gave these very policies post-9/11, under a Republican President.

    In other words, the point is not “Obama is good” — because actually, by upholding and defending these policies, Obama is NOT good. But the point is, where the hell was your outrage 12 years ago?! Why only now?

  7. Lynne B

    Lynne B GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    And why are you squawking about impeaching a President who is simply using policies that the government already had in place when he entered office, and not the President who put those policies in place in the first instance? Why now? And under what pretext, exactly?

  8. misterdantes

    misterdantes said, over 3 years ago

    @Lynne B

    You are absolutely right.

    Republicans do not have any credibility as long as they keep saying opposite things.

    Either the spying, started by the Republicans with the Patriot Act and such is a good thing and then Obama should be a Republican hero for continuing the policies of his predecessor.
    Or spying on people is evil and Bush was evil also.
    It can’t be both just because it suits you.

    There are many other good reasons to bash O, it is weak and stupid to resort to fallacies or twist facts. Actually, it takes all credibility off of the people trying to make their case.

    Personally I do think O should be considered as a major disappointment by the Dems and be asked to stop trying to act like a Republican. I do believe that many of his policies make him a terrible president.

    But let’s not forget that it is Bush who created most of the current mess. The debt, the wars, the spying. His government and the neocons did an amazing job at ruining America’s reputation, status, power and wealth. They were (are) Evil. Obama is just bad. (That’s not much of an excuse, though).

    And it could have been worse. O didn’t clean up the mess, but many of the other clowns around would have made it much worse. Unfortunately, when you see the past presidential candidates and considering the way the electoral system works (money and demagogy win, not competence), I don’t see much reasons for hope one side or another.

  9. carandken

    carandken said, over 3 years ago

    Wow, I think some people should switch to decaf.

  10. Jase99

    Jase99 GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    “Blaming Bush is the final refuge of a mind that’s run out of ideas.”

    Can you refute anything she said, or are you just trying to mitigate a legitimate post by using the “blame Bush” meme?

  11. Wraithkin

    Wraithkin said, over 3 years ago

    To answer those who argue that we didn’t complain about it years ago, I have my personal observation. Take it for what it’s worth.

    In 2001 and 2002, when 9/11 was still a fresh wound for us, there was an argument that we should have seen all that was going on, but failed to do so. Hence the premise for the Patriot Act. We had faith that while it was an intrusion into our lives, the government wouldn’t abuse it and wield it as a cudgel against its citizenry. And while we were quietly concerned, this cudgelry (I made that up) was not executed. Liberals and Conservatives alike were treated evenly and no-one in the government targeted a specific group.

    In fact, they took great pains to not target the obvious group (that being young-adult middle-east males) that is frequently the source of terrorist attacks. How many times did we hear complaints about TSA molesting Grandma at the airport? So it was attempted to be even-handed and unobtrusive, at least as much as possible.

    But then BHO took over office. The PPACA coerces/forces people to buy a product they don’t want. And as recently as 2010, he started using the government to cudgel his opponents. He isolated groups. His legal counsel advised it was okay to use drones against US Citizens without a trial, even on US Soil (as long as they were armed, right? Right… ). The tide of the government was switching from a passive, unobtrusive, and sometimes woefully inept (Yes, Bush Jr. was sometimes a dumbass, but his heart was in the right spot) and it was transitioning to capricious, mean-spirited, and Chicago-thug politics.

    When the author of the Patriot Act says the president has gone too far, and outside the scope of the Act, clearly something is amiss. Faith in the government has evaporated. Ever since the PPACA was ramrodded through Congress, people have lost trust in the governing bodies at the federal level. And now that we have testimony indicating the IRS was targeting a specific group of people, it adds to that worry. The Drone statement adds worry. Because now we have an apparatus in place that can monitor everything you are doing (NSA w/ the Patriot Act), a system that monitors your every financial action (the IRS, and who’s to say they can’t manipulate that data?), and now an authorization to say they can drone strike US Citizens on US Soil as long as they are armed?

    It’s no wonder people don’t trust government any more. And it’s all changed course in the last 4 years, maybe even the last 3. And what’s the only thing that’s significantly different in the last 3-4 years? You guessed it: BHO. The very guy who said he would pull back the curtain and be the most transparent administration is turning out to be a flat-out liar. So no, we aren’t going to blame Bush for the Patriot Act, because the ideology and implementation/execution of it was significantly different than our current WH resident.

  12. Mephistopheles

    Mephistopheles GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    I have decried the Patriot act as Unpatriotic since it’s inception. I didn’t like it under Bush and I don’t like it now. It’s a bad law that was rammed through based on the irrational fears of a majority of US citizens (Reps and Dems).

    Republicans liked it under Bush because they trusted him and many Democrats hated it. Now Democrats like it under Obama because they trust him and many Republicans hate it.

    I don’t trust either group to be looking out for ordinary citizens and this just goes to reaffirm Benjamin Franklin’s adage “If you are willing to give up a little freedom for a little security, you deserve neither freedom nor security”.

    The terrorists got lucky – They couldn’t take our freedoms away with a few planes flown into buildings. I don’t think they counted on it but they achieved their objective anyway by convincing the American people to voluntarily give up their liberites.

    BTW – Obama has had the Presidency for more then 5 years. Stop blaming Bush you liberal dufuses. I didn’t like him either but at some point the President has to take responsiblility for his own actions. I didn’t like all of Clinton’s policies but you don’t see me still bitching about him.

    Grow up

  13. Rick

    Rick said, over 3 years ago

    The issue illustrated here is asset seizures by all levels of law enforcement. These started under Clinton and have accelerated since under Obama. It allows authorities to seize money and property without due process and use the asset to bolster their budget. It is totally unconstitutional but has been upheld by the supremes, which just goes to show there are no branches of government that give a hoot for basic economic rights.

  14. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 3 years ago

    Everyone keeps writing about Bush being responsible for the current privacy situation and Obama continuing and expanding Bush’s position, but one of the biggest offenders was Jimmy Carter with the Foreign Intelligence Surveilance Act. The introduction to this “slippery slope”, however, started in a major way with the 1968 Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act. Lyndon B. Johnson said, AS HE SIGNED IT, “But the Congress, in my judgement, (sic) has taken an unwise and potentially dangerous step by sanctioning eavesdropping and wiretapping by Federal, State, and local law officials in an almost unlimited variety of situations.”

    The 1978 FISA under Jimmy Carter, though, was not a slip on the slope but a giant leap and is the basis for the Patriot Act. Much of the Patriot Act consists of amendments to the FISA. In 1986, under Reagan, the Electronics Communications Privacy Act was enacted to expand the 1968 – Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act to include “electronic communications”.

    Then in 1994, under Clinton, came the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) which “required telecommunication carriers to ensure that their equipment and services were capable of the necessary surveillance capabilities as communications network technologies evolved.” and “…to make clear a telecommunications carrier’s duty to cooperate in the interception of communications for Law Enforcement purposes, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.” (Caps are mine)

    Then came the Bush’s 2001 Patriot Act that expanded on and modified everything. It allows the FISA court to issue warrants if the purpose is SIGNIFICANTLY about gathering foreign information, instead of the ONLY reason, and agents no longer have to prove that a target is a non U.S. citizen or an “agent of a foreign power”. Since 2001 the Patriot Act has been amended many times to ease the ability of law enforcement to relieve the American people of Fourth Amendment protections.

    It seems as though that all administrations since 1968 have looked back at what their predecessor got away with and just stripped more and more away from the rights given us by the Constitution.

  15. warjoski

    warjoski GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    You’re missing the point. Whatever his skin color, he’s furthering the deterioration of our rights. Yes the Right started the ball rolling. But Yes, the Left is kicking it along to make sure it keeps rolling.

    Your entire argument is like a guy arguing with his wife about who left the stove on while their house is burning down around them. Is the assignment of blame so important to you that you’re willing to burn to death?

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