DrC: asked ”“cats, you’re not that deluded that you think people actually READ other people’s posts around here, are you?”
I was. :( Then again, it would help if I stopped posting in Portuguese. Hmmm, eureka! I think I’ve found my problem….
Anyway…
Stebon asked ”fennec, try using factual information from non-liberal publications. Do liberals ever deal in truth?”
Ahem, dude, The Daily Telegraph is a Conservative broadsheet in the UK and the most widely read one at that. The DT liberal? Ha!
Not sure about The International Business Times and this article came from its Australian off-shoot. But why don’t you look them up to find out instead of claiming any factual article from another point of view is biased? You reveal your bias and ignorance by denouncing whatever is presented to you without much thought or investigation.
ccamealy said “those countries don’t really follow socialism completely yet”
“Yet?” Erm I beg to differ. Ideologies are in constant flux…Economic realities are also coming into play in the more economically developed societies in Europe. They are managing a sense of fairness to its citizens while acknowledging that business requires some independence albeit well regulated.
If anything, European economies are moving away from unquestioned welfare to conditional welfare. The more prosperous EU economies have far more benefits than the southern neighbours in trouble at the momnet. How they have managed these economically is the issue. I disagree that folks from one country are less hard working than another. Possibly less productive in terms of economic output or less efficient, but not less hard-working.
I don’t say it’s there yet but I think the recent and on-going financial crises are going to force them, especially the EU, to rethink how it should proceed further.
Most European countries are settling into a “right-of-centre” or “left-of-centre” position. Sometimes quite hard to distinguish the policy of a “Socialist” or “Conservative” party from others which may be so in name only. Tribal ideologies are the past, I wish folks would catch up.
The EU project is ongoing. Although I’m African in origin, it is one I support because I now live here but one I can also criticise. These crises should be learnt from so that a better, more realistic union is forged.
DrC: asked ”“cats, you’re not that deluded that you think people actually READ other people’s posts around here, are you?” I was. :( Then again, it would help if I stopped posting in Portuguese. Hmmm, eureka! I think I’ve found my problem….
Anyway… Stebon asked ”fennec, try using factual information from non-liberal publications. Do liberals ever deal in truth?” Ahem, dude, The Daily Telegraph is a Conservative broadsheet in the UK and the most widely read one at that. The DT liberal? Ha! Not sure about The International Business Times and this article came from its Australian off-shoot. But why don’t you look them up to find out instead of claiming any factual article from another point of view is biased? You reveal your bias and ignorance by denouncing whatever is presented to you without much thought or investigation.
ccamealy said “those countries don’t really follow socialism completely yet” “Yet?” Erm I beg to differ. Ideologies are in constant flux…Economic realities are also coming into play in the more economically developed societies in Europe. They are managing a sense of fairness to its citizens while acknowledging that business requires some independence albeit well regulated. If anything, European economies are moving away from unquestioned welfare to conditional welfare. The more prosperous EU economies have far more benefits than the southern neighbours in trouble at the momnet. How they have managed these economically is the issue. I disagree that folks from one country are less hard working than another. Possibly less productive in terms of economic output or less efficient, but not less hard-working. I don’t say it’s there yet but I think the recent and on-going financial crises are going to force them, especially the EU, to rethink how it should proceed further. Most European countries are settling into a “right-of-centre” or “left-of-centre” position. Sometimes quite hard to distinguish the policy of a “Socialist” or “Conservative” party from others which may be so in name only. Tribal ideologies are the past, I wish folks would catch up.
The EU project is ongoing. Although I’m African in origin, it is one I support because I now live here but one I can also criticise. These crises should be learnt from so that a better, more realistic union is forged.