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   NoFearPup said, 11 months ago

   Are those skulls from Saddam’s mass graves?

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   oldlegodad said, 11 months ago

   NFP.. Yes, but try to get a ‘crat to admit to that.

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   Anyol'tomcat said, 11 months ago

   From the graves George H. W. Bush and Ronnie Headrest helped Soddamn fill? Or from the graves of the Sadr city civilians killed by US bombing last spring, which al-Zaidi saw firsthand? Guess he lost his perspective and journalist’s objectivity. ‘Sokay, he may have had’em kicked back into him.

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   oldlegodad said, 11 months ago

   ¡ALL YE who enter here today be warned!! You will have to endure 20, count them, 20, cartoons about thrown shoes; 2nd shoes dropping, ad nausim!! This count was taken at 2333EST12162008. Probably more added by the time I type this. Good luck.

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   HUMPHRIES said, 11 months ago

   ‘crats just remember that Saddam Was W’s daddy’s ally. The Kurd “incident” didn’t bother him at all.

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   mytinytown said, 11 months ago

   poppy
   All the civilians killed? you actually believe al-Zaidi????
   NUTS!

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   HUMPHRIES said, 11 months ago

   mtt, denyal doesn’t change truth.

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   lifeofB said, 11 months ago

   re: NoFearPup

   not saddam’s skulls -those skulls are premium prices…
   the US invasion has flooded the market with a glut of new skulls to chose from

   re:oldlegodad71

   can i exercise my freedoms to throw a shoe at Bush when he get’s back here ?

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   oldlegodad said, 11 months ago

   lifeofB. Go right ahead, be my guest. Just suck it up and have the cajones to take what you get in return.

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    Anyol'tomcat said, 11 months ago

    McClatchey is a bit more credible than al-Zaidi; interesting that the Sadr city civilians did not find the offer of a “safe haven” credible and declined to leave their homes, so the logical inference has to be that many died.
     
    Iraqi leaders asked that military operations cease on civilian areas of Sadr city and pledged to remove insurgents:
    http://tinyurl.com/5ow9h8
    but that did not suit al Maliki & Porgy, apparently:
    http://tinyurl.com/5v2hop

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    mytinytown said, 11 months ago

    Hump
    You can not listen to THE ENEMY to get intelligence. That is plain dumb. True or not. As well from the start the media has been running this war in to the dirt insulting every single move we have made. This is TREASON in the “legal” definition. So they to, are not credible.

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    lalas said, 11 months ago

    MTT, you can’t listen to W and get intelligence either.

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    oldlegodad said, 11 months ago

    War is Hell…WTS 1865.$¥¡t happens.

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    ReFlex-76 said, 11 months ago

    Looks like mtt seems to be living in his own bubble of denial; that, or just willfully ignorant of reality.

    The media is who got us into this war, especially with their cheer-leading, and refusal to check the facts. They still rarely report the +1 million dead Iraqis since 2003; they still rarely report the +5 million refugees.

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    NoFearPup said, 11 months ago

    Ummm, I’m skeptical - one million bodies? Where are they hiding them?

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    ReFlex-76 said, 11 months ago

    There’s a lot of desert to bury people in out there; those who have enough left to bury, that is.

    The study that determined this …:

    http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=78

    … is consistent with the Lancet study of 2006 that put the number then at +600,000:

    http://www.thelancet.com/webfiles/images/journals/lancet/s0140673606694919.pdf

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    NoFearPup said, 11 months ago

    I don’t know, I am a republitard and I’ve run out of knuckles to count on…but that is an interesting way to count dead people: poll about 2000 people ask them how many relatives died (from their house) then project that number onto the general populace I’m not convinced yet. Couldn’t access Lancet page; I’ll try again.

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    mytinytown said, 11 months ago

    ReFlex-76

    I believe that you are the one in their own little bubble. The media did not get us in to this war. That is nuts to even suggest. This war started a long time ago. Like in 1990. Bush Sr. should have finished it.

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    ReFlex-76 said, 11 months ago

    Delusion is, Delusion does!

    The Lancet is the British equivalent of the New England Journal of Medicine, and their methods have been used to estimate death totals in places like Rwanda without question. When challenged on the Iraqi death count, they stood by their numbers, and counter-challenged anyone to go into Iraq and prove them wrong; their counter-challenge is yet to be taken up.

    mtt’s bubble seems to include the strange belief that the First Gulf War didn’t end in 1991 (it did). Therapy and medication might help.

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    mytinytown said, 11 months ago

    SADAM WAS STILL IN CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In other words, it DID NOT END!!!!!

    I am obviously not the delusional one. Bush Sr. ended early from political pressure and the chance of a re-elect

    But it does not matter, cause once again it will not end. Obama will not finish and this war will turn in to another defeat under our belts. But this time, we have the enemy on the ropes and we’ll back off and let them go.

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    HUMPHRIES said, 11 months ago

    I was in a lead element poised for a thrust towards Bagdad in ‘91. Now I know the rest of the story.

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    ReFlex-76 said, 11 months ago

    In other news, it seems shoe-thrower Muntather al-Zaidi was tortured after his arrest.

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    ReFlex-76 said, 11 months ago

    Well, time to correct a whole bunch of ignorance:

    “SADAM WAS STILL IN CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In other words, it DID NOT END!!!!!

    Yes it did. The goal of the first Gulf War was simple: liberate Kuwait. Unseating Saddam was strictly left to the Iraqi people themselves, as Romanians had done with Nicolai Ceausescu, and Serbs would do with Slobodan Milosevic.

    “I am obviously not the delusional one. Bush Sr. ended early from political pressure and the chance of a re-elect”

    No, he ended it because the job was done.

    “But it does not matter, cause once again it will not end. Obama will not finish and this war will turn in to another defeat under our belts. But this time, we have the enemy on the ropes and we’ll back off and let them go.”

    That’d better be the case; we did the same with Vietnam, and they flourished as a result. There is no “enemy” to defeat, they’re only fighting because we invaded their nation. It’ll be nice being the good guys again.

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    Barbaraailant said, 11 months ago

    bush finally got his legacy–shoes. He can always be known as the pres who was pelted with shoes

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    claudermilk said, 11 months ago

    I hate to say it, but in this case mtt is right: Sr. quit before the job was done. Thus leaving the door open for Jr. & his daddy issues to create the mess we’re in now. Look at it this way: if someone steals your car, do you call it done when the police recover it? Heck no, you want the scumbag that stole it behind bars. Sr. gave Kuwait their car back (on blocks with the dash stripped) and told them, ok we’re all even now.

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    HUMPHRIES said, 11 months ago

    claudermilk: Bush 1 didn’t go in to Iraq because 1. His coalition wouldn’t support him. 2. No secured logistical support route. 3. He was warned by Gen Powell and ,get this, Defense Sec Chaney, that there would be no way for a free election to be won in Iraq by the people who would want us as allies an to otherwise occupy the country would be a costly and devastating experience. Just think all this in 1991.

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    acellist said, 11 months ago

    If Sr. had deposed Hussein and recognized a New Government how could he have extracted war reparations from them for Kuwait?

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    ReFlex-76 said, 11 months ago

    Stop making so much sense HUMPHRIES, you’ll blow their fragile little minds!

    Added to that, the sanctions/repeated-bombings combo over the following decade, seemed to do the punishment/imprisonment job, if that analogy must be used.

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    oldlegodad said, 11 months ago

    To end this diatribe on a humorous note, The REAL reason GWB wanted to get Saddam was, the reported Iraqi plot to kill Daddy, GHWB, when he went back to Kuwait to receive an award for saving their sorry @$$€$. A “big hat no cow” thing.

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    NoFearPup said, 11 months ago

    I still “like” the skulls - nice touch, Sir!

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    oldlegodad said, 11 months ago

    When are we gonna get a new one? or did LALO die of terminal liberalism??

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    DHLEAKY said, 11 months ago

    Burned into my mind is the picture, before 1991, of Rumsfeld practically bowing to Sadam during his efforts to tie down the Iraqui oil, in trade for side winder missiles, etc.
    This, when our pilots were flying in Iraq skies covering the “no fly” zones..Hail to the chief.

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    NoFearPup said, 11 months ago

    I believe the “no fly” zones came after ‘91.

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    ReFlex-76 said, 11 months ago

    Lalo updates this one about once a week; a new one should be due any time now.

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    fennec said, 11 months ago

    Updates usually on Wednesdays, very occasionally not until Thursday.