Kliban by B. Kliban

Kliban

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  1. win

    win said, 5 months ago

    “America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.” – Oscar Wilde

  2. Linguist

    Linguist said, 5 months ago

    Isn’t Western Civilization an oxymoron ?

  3. Three Steps Over Japan

    Three Steps Over Japan said, 5 months ago

    Gandhi: “Still waiting…”

  4. Nabuquduriuzhur

    Nabuquduriuzhur said, 5 months ago

    Until the 1990s, we were mostly civilized. It’s easy to look at the warts alone when one doesn’t know how most of the rest of the world lived. Up until 1993, we had the Rule of Law, for example, something India and indeed, most of the world, has never reached.
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    What’s funny about Gandhi is that the west has no clue what the man really was. He’s not adolized in the east because of many of the things he did. As opposed tothe west, where here’s a modern mythos about his methods doing this or that. The partition alone slew more than a million people. Those who knew him paint a very different portrait from the modern myth.

  5. coltish1

    coltish1 said, 5 months ago

    Here’s a good rule: any institution or popular figure from India does not occupy the high moral ground. Period.

  6. lafayetteann

    lafayetteann said, 5 months ago

    @Nabuquduriuzhur

    Idolize is a strong word, yet many people from India who I have met admire Gandhi. One thing I find the admirers have in common is that they are not from India’s political right.

  7. OldestandWisest

    OldestandWisest said, 5 months ago

    Gandhi’s comment on the Holocaust was that it was a shame that the Jews didn’t make their slaughter by the Nazis a testimony to the principle of non-violence. After all, he said, the Jews were going to die anyway, they might as well have died for a reason!

    The trouble with non-violence is that it only works if your opponents have a conscience. Gandhi would only have lasted five minutes if he had tried his methods against the Nazis or the Soviets. Harry Turtledove wrote a great alternate history story called “The Last Article” in which the Nazis conquer the British Empire and take over the rule of India which demonstrates what would probably have happened.

  8. aircraft-engineer

    aircraft-engineer said, 5 months ago

    @OldestandWisest

    Just remember one “minor” thing – development of nuclear weapons and PARTICULARLY the B-36 was intended at being able to bomb EUROPE from the USA (the assumption was that Britain would fall, here’s how to deal with that scenario…) in fact, many of the Jewish developers of “Little Boy” and “Fat Man” were none too happy when the Germans surrendered before development and deployment of the nukes was completed. They had their own ideas of “Vergeltungswaffen” in mind.

    Alternate history is “interesting” only as long as the side issues are remembered,as well.

  9. aircraft-engineer

    aircraft-engineer said, 5 months ago

    @coltish1

    That’s a bit of a reach – have you EVER been exposed to Indian culture and philosophy other than in the popular media? I’ve never delved into the depths of it myself, so I won’t pass judgment on what, to me, is only peripheral knowledge…

  10. eric sanders

    eric sanders said, 5 months ago

    Another favorite Gandhi quote:
    “I like your Jesus Christ. I don’t care for your Christians very much. They’re too unlike your Jesus Christ.”

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