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  1. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 3 years ago

    The dirt that the NSA could have on politicians would give J. Edgar hand wringing glee.

  2. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, over 3 years ago

    J. Edgar Hoover was a patriot who believed the ends justified the means. He wanted to protect his nation from all enemies, foreign AND domestic and among some of his other mental peculiarities, used illegal and controversial techniques to protect the USA.
    He was not a monster. He was a man who had created an agency to fight mobsters, nazis, communists, and corrupt politicians.
    Hitler was a monster. Stalin was a monster. Saddam Hussein and Assad of Syria – monsters.
    Hoover was an overzealous public official.
    But Michael is right, as he often is…. Hoover would have LOVED access to the kind of metadata that the NSA is storing. How he used it would have defined if he was a monster or not.

  3. albert71292

    albert71292 GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    The cartoonist seems to forget all this surveillance was started under Bush’s watch.

  4. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, over 3 years ago

    Some might say the same of Wyatt Earp and Judge Roy Bean.
    I agree with you that he broke laws in his "ends justify means’ way of fighting crime. He deserved to be arrested, tried, and, if found guilty, punished.
    But he was also a man of a certain time period and in that time period, I do not see him as a monster. If he was a monster, he was “OUR” monster. I feel that Joe McCarthy was worse than Hoover.
    I agree with your entire post except that I do not consider him a monster. Execution would depend on whether he was found guilty of murder or not. The desecrated corpse thing is a bit monstrous in its very conception. I don’t support corpse desecration.

  5. Justice22

    Justice22 said, over 3 years ago

    Mr. Hoover may not have been an ideal lawman, but he was the right man for the job at that time. The mistake was leaving him in charge for too long.

  6. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 3 years ago


    Again I will post that it started under Carter in 1978 with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

  7. dapperdan61

    dapperdan61 GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    Good grief, damned if you do & damned if you don’t. What’s it going to be to prevent another 911 attack ? We have enemies both foreign & domestic that would love to destroy this country. If not FISA then what to keep this country safe ?

  8. disgustedtaxpayer

    disgustedtaxpayer said, over 3 years ago

    Obama is far from being a Superman, the concept that sprouted from Hitler’s Super-Aryan racism that never acted for the “good of society” but tried to Genocide the unwanteds.

    Why is it that Obama does not get the message that America is being ridiculed by former and present totalitarian leaders because his regime is violating Constitutional rights of Americans?
    The writers of the Patriot Act intended surveillance short term to search for planners of terrorism, by communicating with foreigners overseas. They warned that this law could be abused.
    Now Obama and the Dept. of Injustice is abusing it bigtime.
    NSA and IRS and even the FBI are using the law for political purposes to keep power for the Democrats. That is a perversion of the law and an agenda never followed by GW Bush.
    The current regime is storing billions of records of ordinary American to American communication and that goes far beyond temporary monitoring for national security for themoment! They have the ability to listen and read our phone calls and emails….even if they deny doing so. I do not believe their protests of “innocence” in building a Data Base this l984 type and size.

  9. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    J.Edgar was simply nuts, and actually hated the Constitution, yet he was still allowed to run rampant through both the most liberal AND conservative administration in U.S. history. So, what was up?

    “Shoot ’em in the face” Cheney had the same principles, and lack of scruples, in every position he held in government, and in the corporate world. (Folks always seem to miss that I blame Cheney for many actions of several administrations, the those he manipulated or duped, like “W”.)

    And once again, metadata gathering is NOT the same thing as wiretapping conversations, like J.Edgar, and Cheney, were all for, and without warrants, like in that “Patriot Act”. “Suspicion” became 9/10’s of the law.

  10. Magnaut

    Magnaut GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago


    So does BHO hate the constitution!

  11. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 3 years ago


    “Good grief, damned if you do & damned if you don’t.”

    That which concerns me about the FISA and the FISA Court (FISC) is that since 1978 Congress has continually added amendments to the FISA making it easier and easier for the DOJ to intrude on what should be our private lives. The amendments to FISA within the Patriot Act and amendments since then are are probably the most egregious. All combined they make a mockery of the Fourth Amendment. I do not object to the NSA and the DOJ doing what is necessary to protect us. What I do object to is making it so easy that there appear to be no real checks on their activities as pertains to “The right of the people to be secure in their persons,…”.

    As for the FISC, I know its function is supposed to be to prevent abuse by the DOJ, but I have serious doubts as to the court’s efficacy. In the 33 years of the FISA, there have been 33,949 applications presented. Of those presented, only 11 have been rejected. And as is apparent by the latest abuse by the DOJ, if you don’t like “NO” for an answer, then falsify the reasons you need the warrant and then shop for a judge until you get a “YES”.

  12. Uncle Joe

    Uncle Joe GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    @Respectful Troll

    “J. Edgar Hoover was a patriot…”

    Hoover was certainly a monster. No, he wasn’t on the scale of Stalin or Hitler, but he abused his authority for official & personal vendettas. And calling him a patriot?? Hoover’s history of illegal persecution was the antithesis of patriotism.

  13. Uncle Joe

    Uncle Joe GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    Nixon was the originator of the belief that his Executive Authority gave him the power to order any type of spying or harassment of enemies that he deemed necessary. From ordering the IRS to investigate his foes, illegal wiretaps, opening mail, infiltrating anti-war groups, covert CIA actions to bring petty dictators to power… Nixon had a complete “game”.

    When Bush started surrounding himself with former Nixon cronies, I knew which way he was going to go. Congress was complicit in enabling Bush to radically expand Executive Privilege, but his administration set the goal of making much of what Nixon got in trouble for, legal.

    While Republicans were calling Obama an extreme liberal & soft on defense, he was voting to expand intelligence surveillance. So his actions weren’t that unexpected. Every single Republican in Congress _ voted with Obama on that bill, so let’s not hear any crap about this being something that Democrats are responsible for.

  14. lonecat

    lonecat said, over 3 years ago

    Anyone remember the Mayfield case back in 2004? Here’s a reminder, in case you’ve forgotten:

  15. Uncle Joe

    Uncle Joe GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago


    But that was in 2004. One case doesn’t mean Bush set any precedent for abuse.

    Of course that was far from the only case.

    And the NSA phone database was in the news back in 2006.

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