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  1. believecommonsense

    believecommonsenseGenius_badge said, 6 months ago

    LLeRay, should we start counting Biden toons? I’ll guess 11

  2. dtroutma

    dtroutma said, 6 months ago

    Hey Andy, your hero’s most intelligent advisor was called by his master “turdblossom”, which was totally apt with regard to his intellect and morality, so what the heck.

  3. harleyquinn

    harleyquinnGenius_badge said, 6 months ago

    words have consequences when you are the VP.
    Funny thing is the more the guys speaks the more I like him. He speaks his mind. Rare for a politician.

  4. Michigander

    Michigander said, 6 months ago

    Right on, HarleyQuinn. At least we know where he stands

  5. KelleK

    KelleK said, 6 months ago

    I second that, I’ll take Biden’s honesty over Obama’s charismatic teleprompter reading anyday!

  6. LLeRay

    LLeRayGenius_badge said, 6 months ago

    BCS, we’ve already passed 11 Biden Swine Flu toons. I stopped counting Swine Flu when it passed 40, and I had only guessed 10. Talk about an echo chamber!

  7. believecommonsense

    believecommonsenseGenius_badge said, 6 months ago

    LLeRay, echo chamber indeed. What’s next, you think? Toons about Souter and Supremes? Probably get up to 30 or 40 …

  8. Corosive Frog

    Corosive Frog said, 6 months ago

    HQ said; Words have consequences when you are the VP

    How about acts (Cheney and torture).

  9. danielsangeo

    danielsangeo said, 6 months ago

    “Waterboarding is not torture”

    Then why don’t you try it sometime?

    “Torture is listening to Robert Gibbs try to compose a complete sentence.”

    ….so you don’t know from torture.

    (And before you say that I’m lacking in humor, know this: I find nothing humorous about torture.)

  10. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, 6 months ago

    stewie, that’s enough. Not only is waterboarding torture, we executed Japanese soldiers for doing it during WWII. Or didn’t you know that?

    Defending this vile practice and making fun of it is simply appalling behavior.

  11. fennec

    fennec said, 6 months ago

    Please ignore our resident troll. He is just trying to get a rise from decent people.

  12. HOWGOZIT

    HOWGOZIT said, 6 months ago

    Torture–only because Eric Holter says so!

  13. danielsangeo

    danielsangeo said, 6 months ago

    HOWGOZIT: Eric Holder said waterboarding was torture before he was born*?

    Wow.

    * It was a war crime (torture) back in 1946.

  14. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, 6 months ago

    stewie, I have never once proposed bringing Bush up on war crimes, however justified it may be.
    You have once again failed to actually READ my message.

    Waterboarding is_ torture. _We executed Japanese soldiers for it. LOOK IT UP! Don’t you get it? Why should the Japanese get executed and we get a free pass? What kind of nation are we, anyway? We used to be a nation of laws, not men.

  15. fennec

    fennec said, 6 months ago

    MM, I think it is clear that stewiez is totally capable of appalling behavior. He seems to glory in it. That is why I agree with cdward that shunning may be the best response.

  16. danielsangeo

    danielsangeo said, 6 months ago

    “It used to be a crime in some places to let a black man use the same water fountain as a white man, too.”

    …wait, are you seriously suggesting that torture should be legal because of the civil rights movement!?

    “Waterboarding is not torture.”

    Yes. It is.

    “Most of you who think it is are politically motivated to think that it is in the hope of getting some kind of tribunal for Bush and you know that is the truth - otherwise you wouldn’t care, just like you wouldn’t care if it were happening right now under [Obama].”

    If the Obama Administration is ordering waterboarding of our detainees, then I would care. It has NOTHING to do with the administration. Those that think it has something to do with an administration are trying to discount the fact that we have done things that are WAR CRIMES and no one has yet to be held to account.

    “http://silentmajority09.blogspot.com/2009/04/waterboarding-is-not-torture.html”

    This site rests on the assumption that, since we do it to our troops during training, it can’t be torture. Not true. The troops KNOW they’re safe; they KNOW that they won’t die. The detainees are not afforded that luxury. And the citation is strangely silent on the fact that regimes from the Japanese to Pinochet have used it.

    “But now you don’t have to worry about it because we’re going to not use waterboarding or anything else to get info from our enemies.”

    …and now we’re back to the black and white world. “We either waterboard or we don’t get any information.”

    An expert interrogator says that you get better info from standard interrogation techniques than via torture. In fact, the information gathered from torture is always worse than what you get from standard interrogation.

    stewiez, why do you NOT want the best possible information? What are your motives for wanting bad information?

  17. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, 6 months ago

    I don’t know why I bother. But here goes: We have many interrogation techniques other than torture, and they have a better, proven record of performance. Ask the CIA, and for that matter the various Armed Forces Intelligence units. Eliminating waterboarding will do nothing to decrease our security, and a lot to improve our status in the world at large.
    Your assumption that I wouldn’t blame Obama is 100% wrong. I’m still ticked he hasn’t closed Guantanamo yet. And I think Lincoln was wrong to suspend habeas corpus. So I’m not rationalizing, as you seem to believe, stewie.