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   dtroutma said, 4 months ago

   How much did the GHW Bush aircraft carrier cost? How much for airplanes? How much for Iraq and Afghanistan? How much for our “border fence” and National Guard deployments? How much paid to “contractors” to run and support our wars? How much in the “black box” for Defense, as opposed to the cost of health care and needed infrastructure that can be balanced by simply pulling in a more reasonable tax income from those actually making, not necessarily “earning” lots of money?

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   GNWachs said, 4 months ago

   Bush deficit fiscal 2008 $400B

   OMB estimate of deficit in Jan 2009 for fiscal year 2009 $1.1B

   OMB estimate of Obama deficit in May 2009 for fiscal 2009. $1.86B +50%

   That is without climate change, and health care

   Now we answered all your questions. Lets discuss Obama. Best defense is an offense.

   Using Obama’s own numbers the deficit he will produce in the next 10 years is larger than the total deficit run up by every president from Washington through Bush.

   You can try and defuse and accuse but the ball is now firmly in Obamas’s hands. You defend him, not attack Bush.

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   Tigger said, 4 months ago

   The day God Calls Him Home

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   PUPPYSAURUS said, 4 months ago

   Things better not get worse or the Dems will lose their paper-thin majority in 18 months…If they haven’t lost it already.

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   cjkinsey said, 4 months ago

   GNW-

   I just want to make sure you have your “facts” right. The deficit you mention about is budgetary, that is it is based on a plan not what was actually spent. Bush actually spent the same or nearly the same as Obama’s planned budget. The difference is that our budget now included everything we actually plan on spending.

   Please don’t fall for the simple tricks. Then we can talk about defending Obama or Bush.

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   PUPPYSAURUS said, 4 months ago

   Frankly, I’m tired of people defending the deposed Republicans (attacking Liberals is more important). We now know that Republicans will spend us into debt as quickly as Dems when the chips are down. So the issue is using the nation’s revenue wisely as om-Q-R has stated elsewhere. Now, are our partisan leaders able to put their differences aside and serve the people and come up with practical reform/policies; or are they all in this for themselves?

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   Gladius said, 4 months ago

   cj
   The fact that his planned budget has that much does scare me. I fully expect, as usual, the government to wind up spending more than was budgeted due to ‘unforseen’ expenses. Many of which, probobly are not unseen but didn’t wind up in the budget for a variety of political reasons.

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   PUPPYSAURUS said, 4 months ago

   How quaint, someone worried about a “budget”. Gladius, may I ask what political persuasion you are? If you are Republican or Conservative - you would be fundamentally worried about what we stand for as a nation and party…with very little hope that your cherished ideals will be re-inforced by the populace and the powers that be. If you are Democratic or Liberal; why would you care? It’s all good.

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   Gladius said, 4 months ago

   If my posts aren’t clear enough, stating a political persuasion would only allow others to project their pet views on my persona. Sorry, I’m deathly allergic to pigeonholing.

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    fennec said, 4 months ago

    Gladius, obviously you live in an analog world. The Pup seems to live in a digital world. Maybe that’s why I find your comments more relevant than his…

11. 

    PUPPYSAURUS said, 4 months ago

    Leave my digits out of this.

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    parkersinthehouse said, 4 months ago

    glad -

    too late -

    persona pet views projected already and

    pigeonholing accomplished.

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    Gladius said, 4 months ago

    AAAck where are my shields.

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    oldlegodad said, 4 months ago

    Again,
    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=331254362316405

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    cjkinsey said, 4 months ago

    Gladius,

    I am not saying that the spending is a legitimate concern. It is when the facts are spun and the details aren’t understood that we can’t even have a productive discussion.

    We should cut a ton of money on military spending and fix our own infrastructure.

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    Gladius said, 4 months ago

    To be significant, your major military cuts would have to include pulling out of Afghanistan. That opens another can of worms.

    I do agree that we need more investment in infrastructure. The problem with the stimulus package wasn’t necessarily the amount spent but HOW it was spent. We need a nonbiased report on infrastructure needs across the country and moneys should be allocated accordingly. However, our chances of getting it…. well you, know if you put a hat on it a snowball might last a little longer in hell.

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    cjkinsey said, 4 months ago

    Glad,
    I agree and the stimulus and the bank bailouts were the wrong way.

    More should have been spent to provide energy efficiency to home and buildings, public transportation and national rail, and changing or energy grid and general infrastructure.

    Finally we need to provide the hat of cover to the politicians to make it happen.