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Joe Heller

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  1. ConserveGov

    ConserveGov said, over 1 year ago

    At least the Dems actually created a budget this year.

    It’s usually just spend like a single millionaire with 2 weeks to live.

  2. Peabody-Martini

    Peabody-Martini said, over 1 year ago

    @ConserveGov

    The debt actually exploded under Reagan and Bush the lesser but why argue facts when you can just make stuff up.

  3. Stipple

    Stipple said, over 1 year ago

    Math first people do not get elected very often. Every politician that puts party ahead of country is not smart enough to do the math.
    It does not matter which party is put first, the smart thing is putting the country first.
    .
    The toon shows where history will put the party loyalists.

  4. dannysixpack

    dannysixpack said, over 1 year ago

    obamas budget should be just to the lft of ryans. both on the far right side.

    Obama, ‘a better republican’.

  5. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, over 1 year ago

    It is so rare to see a truly objective cartoon.
    Thank you Mr. Heller for reminding readers of the responsibility both parties have for our predicaments.
    @ Stipple – Thank you. That was well said with objectivity and tone.
    Respectfully,
    C.

  6. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 1 year ago

    @Peabody-Martini

    I don’t know where you’re getting your information, but you really need to find a source that gives you the whole story. At the rate our current President is going, the government will exceed the amount of debt increase in six years that the two Presidents you mentioned accrued in sixteen. And this has nothing to do with the cartoon so I have to ask myself why I’m writing a response to your post

  7. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 1 year ago

    Funny ’toon, but neither of those budgets is funny.

  8. Peabody-Martini

    Peabody-Martini said, over 1 year ago

    @mikefive

    As I said, make stuff up. The annual deficit was 1.6 trillion as of 1-20-2008, I know that the reactionary right love to pretend that history started that day but it didn’t. The current annual debt is half that.

  9. Peabody-Martini

    Peabody-Martini said, over 1 year ago

    @HOWGOZIT

    No, the current deficit for fiscal year 2014 is 744 billion, not factoring the effect of the sequester, which might actually increase it. Unlike you, HOWGOZIT and your pal mikefive I only argue in facts, not whatever the present talking points are today on Faux News.

  10. Simon_Jester

    Simon_Jester said, over 1 year ago

    @Ms. Ima

    All on Daddy’s dime.

  11. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 1 year ago

    @Peabody-Martini

    “As I said, make stuff up.”

    Your first comment was about the debt and my correction on your comment was based on numbers from the U. S. Treasury Department’s numbers. Your attempt at declaiming those numbers are too easily refuted and are equally easily verifiable by going to the Treasury site. Although debt can be argued to be based on the fiscal year as opposed to the calendar year, I lean toward using the calendar year for debt because of off budget borrowing during the calendar year and is closer to the actual term of a President.

    Deficit, on the other hand, is irrevocably tied to the budget which is tied to the fiscal year. In your comment referenced to in the introductory quote of this reply, you changed the subject to deficit at a specific point in a year. The number you posted could only be true if expected revenue suffered a shortfall or expenses exceeded expected revenue (or both) at that point in time.
    For all of FY 2008 the deficit was $455 billion and the debt increased 1.01 trillion in that same time frame. (All numbers compliments of the United States Treasury Department or the United States Government Accountability Office) Where your $1.6 trillion number comes from I don’t know. That’s why I recommended a different (more credible?) source of information.

    “The current annual debt is half that.”

    I can’t figure out whether you’re referring to debt or deficit here.

    " I know that the reactionary right love to pretend that history started that day but it didn’t."

    Since I’m using the source numbers that everyone else should use and am posting them almost unchanged (only rounding in some instances) they are being posted without changing history. They are history and any claims otherwise are disingenuous..

  12. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, over 1 year ago

    @ mikefive – You may want to post the specific page to which you refer. The treasurey numbers should be the most accurate.
    @ dycel, Mechanic, and Peabody – mike’s info usually comes out accurate. If he is basing his numbers on the Treasury’s numbers and USGAO, perhaps you should use the same sources.
    ^
    It is my understanding that the wars under Mr. Bush were never part of any budget and that when Mr. Obama came into office, the price of the wars, of overpaying contractors, and many other things related to fighting two wars at one time were suddenly part of the deficit. My information is not based on the level of reading mikefive often demonstrates, so I would enjoy being educated to how wrong I may be.
    ^
    I would also like to point out mike has been very objective in his comments about these budgets. He seems to outright disapprove of Mr. Ryan’s budget, and in an earlier post, stated he had not read through Mr. Obama’s budget, but felt that the philosophical differences in the parties would make it impossible for consensus to be realized. Unless I’m missing something he has presented his case in a civil and respectful manner.
    If you can show where he is incorrect, do so. I’ve seen him thank people who pointed his mistakes in the past.
    I don’t think you were calling Mike a troll, or a liar, but a casual reader could easily think you were.
    Respectfully trolling,
    C.

  13. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 1 year ago

    @Dycel

    If you are attempting to discredit those numbers by using the term “averages” you are in error. There are no averages in the numbers posted in this forum.

  14. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 1 year ago

    @Respectful Troll

    “It is my understanding that the wars under Mr. Bush were never part of any budget…”

    That’s part of the problem with those that post deficit and debt in this forum. Fiscal year vs calendar year. The incoming President can use that first nine months in office to borrow money on top of the previous President’s budget borrowing. Where do people think the money comes from that all of those incoming Presidents use to institute new programs? It’s not in the FY budget and there is no revenue received yet to support new programs so any monies used on those programs must be borrowed. This money increases the debt but not the deficit since it is not part of the budget. I call it off budget borrowing and it is used to support new President’s new programs, things like Bush’s wars. and government departmental cost overruns like FEMA’s operational costs brought on by Hurricane Sandy (not all of that borrowing is bad). This causes confusion (justifiably) in the use of deficit and debt and who is responsible when. To further confuse on budget and off budget borrowing, one would have to follow bills introduced in the House that borrows money and then research the budget to see if the money is allocated there or for something off budget.

    Even getting numbers from the sources can be problematic in their accuracy. Dycel’s non governmental source lists the deficit at $459 billion for FY 2008. The coversheet of the GAO audit of The Bureau of Public Debt for 2008 and 2009 lists the deficit at $458 billion. The audit report itself lists the deficit at $455 billion (on page 3. PDF, 34 pages). I used the $455 billion number since it came from the body of the report and is probably the most accurate.
    The entire report can be found at:

    http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-10-88

    As for the debt number I used in my reply to Peabody, I used Sept 30 2007 to Sept 30, 2008 for FY 2008. It should have been Oct 1, 2007. It does reduce the figure from $1.01 trillion to $962 billion.

    These numbers can be found (and I do mean Hunt and Find) at:

    http://www.treasurydirect.gov/

    Something I don’t understand about many in these gocomics forums is why they resort to personal denigration and insults instead of doing their own research and using said research as rebuttal. Oh, well.

    I hope I haven’t been to patronizing, but I’m not aware of if you were familiar with that first nine months thing.

    Also, thanks for the support. It’s much appreciated.

  15. churchillwasright

    churchillwasright said, over 1 year ago

    @Respectful Troll

    RESPECTFUL TROLL said “It is my understanding that the wars under Mr. Bush were never part of any budget and that when Mr. Obama came into office, the price of the wars, of overpaying contractors, and many other things related to fighting two wars at one time were suddenly part of the deficit.”

    Sorry, but your “understanding” is incorrect.

    Both “On-Budget” and “Off-Budget” expenses (often referred to as “emergency” and “supplemental” appropriations) are used to figure the Annual Surplus or Deficit. They always included the costs of the Wars. (BTW, Congress hasn’t passed a Budget in 4 years. Everything has been a “Continuing Resolution” or “Off-Budget”. Or do you think there has been no Deficit these many years?)

    I refer you to the Governments “Books”, their statements of Income and Expenses, published by the US Office of Budget and Management. Please see page 22:

    Budget.gov

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