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Jeff Stahler

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  1. old1953

    old1953 said, 6 months ago

    I’m a bit perplexed here. The actual Ukraine elected govt was Russia friendly. That’s a fact. It was overthrown violently, and the US and Europe went overboard in support of the new, never elected govt. That’s a fact. Ethnic Russians (80%+) in the Crimea wanted no part of the new govt (one of whose first acts was to discuss forbidding the speaking of Russian language) and pressured the Putin govt to annex the Crimea. That’s a fact. So exactly which “?” is he talking about here? The original govt, the replacement govt, or the annexation? You can make it fit any of the three.

    Or maybe he’s referring to one of the “elections” that’s taken place? There’s been a bunch, but none as yet for the actual government of the Ukraine. Supposed to be one in about twelve days, but I’d not bet ten cents on that happening.

  2. Rad-ish

    Rad-ish GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    The Russian government did not even say that it recognized the results of the voting, which the authorities in Kiev and their Western supporters all declared illegal from the start. A preliminary count from eastern Ukraine showed 89 percent of voters in the Donetsk region and 97.5 percent in neighboring Luhansk voted for greater autonomy. But the voter rolls were old, and many supporters of remaining in Ukraine said they stayed away.
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    Denis Pushilin, leader of the “Donetsk People’s Republic,” said the results showed that the people wanted to be part of Russia.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/world/europe/ukraine.html?_r=0

  3. Enoki

    Enoki said, 6 months ago

    Hey, the Commies gave out free vodka and he didn’t get any! He should complain!

  4. stlmaddog5

    stlmaddog5 said, 6 months ago

    In case nobody’s noticed, that applies to presidential elections in the United States also. Aren’t we the ones who started letting dead people vote? Often more than once? If the U.S. elections aren’t rigged, I’m going to need thermal underwear in Hades.

  5. pavlov

    pavlov said, 6 months ago

    @old1953 Ukraine did not forbid the speaking of russian, what it did was abolish the law making it a second official language.

  6. Michael wme

    Michael wme said, 6 months ago

    @old1953

    I was talking to a member of MI6. About 70% of all Syrians support the al-Assad government. He says that proves that 70% of Syrians are really stupid, because Syria needs a good puppet leader who will do what Saudia, the US, and the UK want, probably taking massive resources from the rabble and handing it over to Western bankers with generous baksheesh to the leaders.


    I mention Syria, because the exact same flawless logic applies: all of Ukraine’s resources belong, by rights, to the Western bankers, who will pay generous baksheesh to the country’s leaders who are natives of what was once Austria-Hungary and who are more than willing to do whatever the West wants (as long as they get their baksheesh). Syria and the Ukraine (and Libya and lots more detailed in Confessions of an Economic Hit Man) are the rightful property of Western bankers, and anyone standing in the way of that felicitous and just outcome is evil incarnate and MUST be killed (or at least incapacitated).

  7. Combatcarl

    Combatcarl said, 6 months ago

    You are 100% correct, old1953. The media whitewash has affected even Mr. Stahler’s view of the recent events in eastern Ukraine.

  8. Rx71Wm29

    Rx71Wm29 GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    Well, a phony “I Voted?” badge on your chest is better that a bullet hole in your forehead! With Vlad Tepes (aka Vlad the Impaler or Vlad Putin) in town that’s the choice Ukrainians have to make nowadays!

  9. NeoconMan

    NeoconMan said, 6 months ago

    The Russians need to learn from the United States about how to have the courts overturn elections when the people don’t vote the “right” way.

  10. cubefarmer

    cubefarmer said, 6 months ago

    @old1953

    Your “Russian friendly” government, essentially a Kremlin puppet, was overthrown for murdering people, doing away with elections and collapsing the Ukrainian economy. The “referendum” you so highly praise was voted with MVD gunmen literally looking over voters’ shoulders, and your “annexation pressure” you call a fact exists only in your mind and Russian propaganda stunts pulled by the same MVD paramilitary. Those are the facts anyone else can see that you don’t seem to, so that’s probably why you’re so “perplexed”.

  11. cubefarmer

    cubefarmer said, 6 months ago

    @Michael wme

    Funny how MI6 only exists in James Bond movies, despite your claims of knowing an agent, and given your track record I doubt you know anyone in MI5 either, who like the CIA never admit to being MI5.

  12. Zin Rosenblum

    Zin Rosenblum said, 6 months ago

    Confusion..the ballot asked voters if they are supporting which: "independence,” “sovereignty” or “self-determination” ?

  13. Michael wme

    Michael wme said, 6 months ago

    @cubefarmer

    You’re right. My friend said he WAS in MI6 but was washed out for blotting his copybook, after which he spent the rest of his working career wandering through souks and bazaars listening to what the Arab/Irani/Turkish street had to say and reporting back to…. (Not clear, since he claimed to be unemployed, even though he always had plenty of cash.)


    And he agreed that most Syrians support the al-Assad government, as most honest, independent polls show, but that just proves the Syrians are stupid, since they would be much better off with a president selected by the UK/US/France/Saudi.


    If the West puts in a devout Wahabbi as head of Syria, one who sees to it that all Syria’s resources go to Saudi Arabia, then Saudi Arabia will help the Western Leadership by setting the price of oil at whatever level the Western Leadership thinks is best. And that’s clearly the best thing that could happen to Syria, no matter what all the foolish Syrians think.


    And I admit it, there really is no such thing as MI6 outside of fiction, so those fiction writers really appreciate the UK government for paying a man to play the ‘Head of MI6’ and testify before the UK Parliament (another fictional entity).

  14. omQ Release the Desaparecidos

    omQ Release the Desaparecidos said, 6 months ago

    What concerns me most when I see cartoons tackling the Ukraine crisis, is their use of the hammer & sickle symbol.
    I worry about the value of the opinion as regards the understanding of the crisis: how well informed are you if that simple matter is wrong?


    Or have I misunderstood Stahler and he is stating that this latest referendum is a throwback to Soviet era days and their voting tactics? But then it wasn’t the Ukrainian government who held a referendum, the breakaway wannabes did. Or, is he saying the current Ukrainian government wasn’t quite ‘voted’ in?


    I dunno. Jeff, want to help out?

  15. old1953

    old1953 said, 6 months ago

    @cubefarmer

    Ah, if you can quote me anywhere as “praising” anything, I’d appreciate seeing the quote. I stated facts, bald faced facts, not an opinion among them. My only remark on elections was that there had been a bunch of them, which there certainly have. None, however, have been for the central governing body of the Ukraine. Which is a fact.

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