Jeff Stahler by Jeff Stahler

Jeff Stahler

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  1. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    Those who don’t know, underestimate the power of a 12 gauge shotgun, long barrel, with 00 buckshot. I finally agree with Scott on something.

  2. Robert Landers

    Robert Landers said, over 2 years ago


    Unfortunately however, such scatter is just as liable to wipe out the children in the class room, as it is the particular attacker.

    Perhaps I am being naive, but I would hope that our schools do NOT have to have an armed guard in every class room

  3. mickey1339

    mickey1339 GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    @Robert Landers

    Cold blooded as it may sound, it’s less likely to “wipe out the children” from a shotgun blast unless the children are clustered around the gunman. That is unlikely, they would probably run from him and give the shotgun person a fairly clear field of fire. Obviously anything is possible but a shotgun can be a great defensive weapon. You can put out a fast, deadly field of fire when you know what you’re doing. Training is key.

  4. Michael wme

    Michael wme said, over 2 years ago

    Once, I was in dire straits. Voir dire straits. A divorced man had shot one of the men who had cuckolded him. He had shot the man in the backside with birdshot (as Granny so often did, without any consequences, on the Beverly Hillbillies). The prosecution charged attempted murder.

    The first question was, ‘Have you ever owned or used a gun?’ I raised my hand. ‘Dismissed,’ said the judge, and I had to leave. They didn’t want anyone who knew anything at all about guns and who might apply prior knowledge instead of accepting the testimony of the ‘experts’ as to whether shooting someone in the backside with birdshot is or is not attempted murder (prosecution experts: ‘Yes!’; defence experts: silence—there weren’t any).

    At close range, a shotgun is deadly, but ‘close’ is key. Shotguns have limited range compared to rifles or even pistols. If the NRA has its way, and every school gets two or three armed guards (one on duty when the others are on break, to avoid another Columbine tragedy), the guards will be wearing armour. Nowadays, many of the maniac shooters also wear armour. Armour piercing shells would be de rigeur for any sensible maniac, while (if the maniac is wearing armour) the shotgun would be useless against him unless the muzzle could be pressed against his armour.

  5. Movingsound

    Movingsound GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    Ahhh the new math. If X is twenty feet away with a small caliber weapon and Y is thirty feet away with an automatic. X hits the target 80% of the time but has had too much coffee. Y is a 95% …………….

  6. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, over 2 years ago

    Always hated math problems that didn’t have all of the variables included. Mr. Stahler could have made this a much more interesting cartoon with more information.
    The answer to the question won’t be solved until we figure out the value of “Y” (why).

  7. Ken M

    Ken M GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    Better yet, the question should be asked: “If an attacker has 3 magazines with 10 rounds each, how many unarmed, panicking people in the room can he take out?” It’s not the capacity of the magazines… it’s the lack of opposition in the room. The DC shooter several years ago took one shot at a time and instances are popping up all over the country of attackers being stopped or thwarted by responsible citizens who are armed… not the hip-holster swinging cowboys that the media is scaring people into believing will be walking down the streets.

  8. Chillbilly

    Chillbilly said, over 2 years ago

    If one million political cartoons about gun violence are disseminated to fifty rigidly and unwaveringly opinionate people who read them, how many minds will be changed?

  9. lonecat

    lonecat said, over 2 years ago

    Ain’t it the sign of a great society when we argue about how many guards with how much weaponry we want in elementary schools? Now that’s civilization for you!!!

  10. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 said, over 2 years ago

    @Robert Landers

    And might I add to mickey’s comment, that a “shotgun” can also be loaded with non lethal beanbags that will put the man down long enough to gain control of the situation. However I would prefer that it be loaded with a slug so the solution is permanent.

    And putting an armed man in every classroom is not the way to do it. The very idea that there is just one armed guard on the grounds is deterrent enough to take that school off the list of “easy” targets for the majority of psychos that would attack innocent children.

    Design the schools so that the only way on and off the grounds will take one past security – be it camera, motion detector or guard or all three – will further reduce the vulnerability of the school.

    Cowards do not attack hard targets.

  11. jefferis

    jefferis GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    The correct answer is 1.

  12. ARodney

    ARodney said, over 2 years ago

    A free country shouldn’t need its schools to be “hard targets.” It should make it impossible to own the tools to kill mass numbers of citizens.

  13. Justice22

    Justice22 said, over 2 years ago

    As Mr. Trout points out, a 12 guage shotgun with 00 buckshot makes a great defensive weapon. The shell is loaded with 38 caliber shot which can kill at a range of over 100 yards. A colonel in Korea covered the retreat of his men with a pair of personal shotguns which his aide kept loading.
    The colonel was rewarded by the Medal of Honor. I don’t recall the Chinese body count but it was over 200.

  14. Rockngolfer

    Rockngolfer said, over 2 years ago


    I used to have a 12 guage loaded with slugs as part of my “Hurricane Preparedness Kit”
    I also had a .22 longrifle.
    I think the shotgun had 248 times the impact of the .22.

  15. 4my10851cs

    4my10851cs said, over 2 years ago

    I would use a slug so no children hurt

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