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  1. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, 5 months ago

    CBS showed video of men with assault rifles on a bridge and in the brush surrounding the Land Management officials. The law enforcement agents had their standard issue 9 mm and shotguns. If men were aiming guns at law officers in any given city of the USA, they would be arrested for obstruction of justice and other issues. The Land Management people backed down rather than die, or kill. The militia people say they won. What did they win?
    Perhaps the way land is managed in Nevada is wrong, but using guns on police and rangers is, in my opinion, sedition at least, and perhaps even treason. Mr. Bundy should have gone through the court system and/or through his senators and congressmen to change the system. Those who pointed guns and threatened the law officers should be arrested.
    Fox news did seem disappointed that no one died.
    Respectfully,
    C.

  2. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    200 men budgeted to be paid for 7 weeks? With snipers. That is what the feds brought.

  3. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    @Respectful Troll

    2nd amendment was upheld on the ranch

  4. masterskrain

    masterskrain GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    Stupid part of it all is the Chinese Company that WAS thinking about the solar plant : #1 Cancelled it’s contract in 2013, and #2 was looking at land near Laughlin, Nv., miles from the Bundy property.
    Go to Snopes to find out the facts.

  5. retpost

    retpost said, 5 months ago

    Just send in the IRS; they will get the money owed the USA.

  6. sierra60

    sierra60 said, 5 months ago

    Guess if you wear a cowboy hat and cheat the government Hanity will be on your side.

  7. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    @sierra60

    “cheat” so a shakedown racket for a tortoise is a cheat?
    I want to know who paid for the 200 man army. Who was going to pay for the auction and the manpower to get cattle to action. And how much was this bill again? tell me you know. I bet you do not. and since you don’t I will tell you, the tax payer was cheated out of money in a failed attempt to collect a small amount of money that could not cover the man power and time it took them to try to collect.
    That is where the “cheat” comes from in this case!

  8. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    what “lie” please tell me. I can point out two lies. Harry Reid lied. he has what the feds brought, snipers, mixed up with what was brought on the behalf of the ranchers. And then the lie that the guy owed “millions” no that is another fed lie.
    your turn.

  9. Silmenume

    Silmenume said, 5 months ago

    @Respectful Troll

    @Respectful Troll – just go to Youtube and watch all the uploaded videos that came from the people not “CBS” or FoxNews and you will see federal agents who arrived with ASSAULT RIFLES and SNIPER GUNS and lots of them. Sure there were standard issue 9mm pistols and shotguns as sidearms and secondary weapons but put down that pipe your smoking if you believe for an instant that those smaller weapons were the primary weapons of the law enforcement office. Don’t play down or ignore the fact that the police came in with military armaments and overwhelming numbers. 200 officers armed like the military to force a small family to execute a court order to seize assets.

    Note also that the government did NOT make an attempt to follow standard procedure and put a lien on the property or their assets as is STANDARD PROCEDURE. The government went straight to lethal force. Kinda skipped those 2 parts in your piece there didn’t you.

    NOTE – that the pesky constitution CLEARY notes that land that isn’t privately owned defaults to the state NOT the Federal Government. The Federal government in this case, unlike say the federal parks, made no effort to acquire the title to the land – IOW it had no right to the lands or the authority to collect rents for its use. It’s the LAW! So on one hand you bitterly complain about how the locals “broke the law” protecting their property from theft (for the federal government had no authority to seize what it was after – land for Dirty Harry) but you seem to have no problem about the federal government breaking the law in an illegal land grab. So which is it – are you for the law being enforced (equally) or not?

    NOTE – in October 2012 Reuters had an article about Dirty Harry and his son going into business with that chinese solar power company. Just a few months ago there was another news story of Dirty Harry at a groundbreaking ceremony with about 15 or so other people with shovels in hand around 25 or so miles from Bundy’s ranch. The Reid’s were up to their bottom lip with the company that needed the Bundy’s off their ancestral land.

    Didn’t hear that on CBS? You can find both news stories on the net if you look. I know, that rag Reuters can’t be trusted but what can you do?

    NOTE – the federal authorities destroyed a great deal of the infrastructure on the part of the ranch they were occupying during the siege. The federal representative claimed that they had a court order to remove said infrastructure. That LIE was so egregious that the court felt compelled to clarify its own work and state that it had ONLY given the fed authority to collect property for debt purposes it did NOT give authority to the feds to destroy Bundy’s infrastructure. ANOTHER LIE.

    Since the Federal Government was operating outside the law, and a federal agent (Harry Reid) was employing the power of the federal government to use lethal authority in an illegal land grab against its own citizenry what is a citizen to do when looking down sniper barrels and assault rifles (the 9mm’s and shotguns were not the primary arms – note also 200 men were sent in to deal with a family and work force of under 20)

    So what does one do when the federal government comes in illegally and in overwhelming force using military firepower – exactly as the founding fathers felt should be done – resist a tyrannical government. It was SO important to the founding fathers that they made sure that the government could always be resisted making sure that the people (whom the government is supposed to be working for – not the enslavement to the government we have now) had a means to resist said overreaching government.

    You have problems with what the Bundy’s and others did at the ranch in Nevada fending off the unconstitutional actions of the federal government then you have problems with the ideals of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison et al.

    NOTE – we can disagree with each other about how the federal government acted because the founding fathers felt that freedom of speech was absolutely pivotal to keeping a check on the powers of the federal government – they felt so strongly about freedom of speech that an amendment was added to the constitution clarifying what was already implicit in the constitution – that people be free to say that the government is doing bad things to its citizenry. And if speaking about the misdeeds of the federal government isn’t enough to keep it inline there there was a backup provision written into the Bill of Rights – the 2nd Amendment.

    I know all this information which wasn’t on CBS and probably wasn’t taught when you went to public school or college so its allot to take in, but it is all there for the reading should you make the effort.

    BTW – you’re the one who seems disappointed that no one died. You brought up that meme – not the news channel. And given your ignorance of history, the constitution and the facts of the current event maybe you should slake your blood lust somewhere outside the political arena….

  10. masterskrain

    masterskrain GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    One question…if this nutball claims “Not to acknowledge the U.S. Government”, then why is he riding around holding a U.S. FLAG??
    Why not the Nevada State Flag? Or his own Ranch Flag?

    The FULL Report.;

    Site are reporting that Harry Reid is in cahoots with ENN a Chinese firm for which his son works to take over the range area in dispute with that Nevada rancher and the Bureau of Land Management. Is there any truth here?

    The Bundy Ranch in NV standoff with BLM is being attributed to Harry Reid’s desire to help his son secure rights for a Chinese company to build a solar energy farm in the Nevada desert.

    It’s making it’s rounds on Facebook and, of course, the internet.

    Origins: April 2014 saw the publicizing of a decades-old dispute between the federal government and Cliven Bundy, a cattle rancher in Nevada, over grazing rights on public land. Back in 1993, Cliven Bundy began declining to pay the government fees required to allow his cattle to graze on public lands, and in 1998, as part of an effort to protect the endangered desert tortoise found in that area, the government obtained the issuance of a court order requiring Bundy to take his cows off that land. In July 2013, a federal court finally ordered Bundy to get his cattle off public land within 45 days or risk having them confiscated by the government and sold to pay off the fees and trespassing fines (reportedly in excess of $1.2 million) that he owes:
    Bundy does not recognize federal authority over land where his ancestors first settled in the 1880s, which he claims belongs to the state of Nevada. The Bureau of Land Management [BLM] disagreed and took him to federal court, which first ruled in favor of the BLM in 1998. After years of attempts at a negotiated settlement over the $1.2 million Bundy owes in fees failed, federal land agents began seizing hundreds of his cattle illegally grazing on public land.

    Bundy’s claim that the land belongs to Nevada or Clark County didn’t hold up in court, nor did his claim of inheriting an ancestral right to use the land that pre-empts the BLM’s role.
    As Bundy did not comply with the court order, the confiscation of his cattle began in April 2014, precipitating a tense standoff between Bundy’s supporters and law enforcement officials. (The government eventually relented and released about 400 head of cattle it had seized from Bundy.)

    Somewhere along the way in the reporting of this brouhaha, the conspiracy theory arose that the showdown between Cliven Bundy and the federal government wasn’t really about grazing cattle or endangered tortoises, but was actually about a deal between Harry Reid, the senior U.S. Senator from Nevada (and the current U.S. Majority Leader), and a Chinese company eager to build a solar plant on the disputed land:
    As a family in Clark County, Nev. continues to face an onslaught of heavily armed federal agents determined to kick them off of their ranch, reports have surfaced that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid might be behind the entire ordeal.

    The ranch, which has been in Cliven Bundy’s family for more than a century, is ground zero for a growing showdown between federal authorities and individual rights activists.

    Reid and his eldest son, reports indicate, were integral in the support and/or implementation of a $5 billion solar plant being built in the county by a Chinese company.
    Reid has been outspoken in support of the government’s position on the Bundy issue, and both he and his son Rory were in earlier years prominent advocates of efforts by ENN Mojave Energy LLC (a Chinese-backed company) to build a solar plant in Clark County:
    Questions surrounding family ties are flaring again in Nevada around the Senate majority leader. He and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert.

    Reid has been one of the project’s most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada. His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission.

    However, the theory that Reid’s putative involvement in the Bundy dispute was motivated by a desire to somehow profit from the building of a solar plant falls flat in the face of two basic facts: The site that ENN Mojave Energy was planning to buy in order to build a solar plant is nowhere near the public land Bundy has been disputing with the government, and ENN gave up the solar project and terminated its agreement to buy land to house it as far back as June 2013:
    A Chinese-backed company is pulling the plug on a multibillion-dollar solar project near Laughlin after it was unable to find customers for the power that would have been generated there, a Clark County spokesman said.

    In a letter, an executive from ENN Mojave Energy LLC informed the county that the company was terminating its agreement to purchase 9,000 acres near Laughlin, stating that the “market will not support a project of this scale and nature at this time.”

    The company, a subsidiary of ENN Group, described as the largest energy company in China, said it was unable to sign the necessary power purchase agreements to sell the energy generated from the solar plant to utilities in Nevada or neighboring states.

    The project was broken down into phases, but if fully completed, it was expected to generate enough energy to power 200,000 homes with a price tag of $1 billion to $6 billion.

    The move was hailed as a much-needed boost for economic development in the southern part of the state and was projected to create up to 2,200 permanent jobs.

    Commissioners agreed to sell the land at $4.5 million — about a sixth of its appraised value — in December 2011 to jump-start the development, but they put in place an aggressive timeline that required ENN to secure the complicated power purchase agreements.

    With the solar project now just a mirage, commissioners will discuss what to do with the 9,000 acres of county-owned land at their July 2 meeting.
    Even the conservative Breitbart site debunked this conspiracy claim, noting:
    Despite the obvious partisan gain to be had if Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s son Rory (a failed 2010 Nevada gubernatorial candidate) had somehow been involved in a “land grab” affecting the Bundy family ranch operation — the facts just do not pan out as such. Indeed, Rory Reid did in fact have a hand in plans to reclassify federal lands for renewable energy developments. Just northeast of Las Vegas and Nellis Air Force Base, plans were drawn by Reid allies to potentially develop 5,717 acres of land for such use. While it would be fair to claim that such activity was in Bundy’s relative neighborhood, the federal lands once leased by the family were more than 20 miles away, east of Overton, Nevada.
    Some versions of this conspiracy theory mistake the proposed ENN Mojave Energy site with that of the Moapa Southern Paiute Solar project, but the latter’s 250MW solar power plant is already under construction (so there is no need to grab land for it), and, as noted in Wildlife News, the Moapa plant is being built near the Moapa Indian Reservation and not on public land disputed by Cliven Bundy:
    A cursory search shows a sudden explosion of articles claiming Nevada’s senior senator, Harry Reid, wants Bundy’s land (all Bundy actually owns is a melon farm) to build a solar plant to enrich himself and his son.

    Bundy has been trespassing over 750,000 acres of U.S. public land to the south of Mesquite and Bunkerville, Nevada. Bundy’s actual private property is his melon farm at Bunkerville, which looks like maybe 100 acres on Google Earth. There is a solar farm. But it is not on the huge swath of land Bundy is trespassing on. The solar facility is actually under construction near the Moapa Indian Reservation about ten miles closer to Las Vegas.
    Likewise, another area currently being studied by BLM for the possible development of solar plants, commonly known as the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone, is sometimes mistakenly thrown into the conspiracy theory mix by persons who point to a BLM report listing “Cattle Trespass Impacts” and claim that it documents the BLM’s intent to use the disputed land for solar development:
    Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.
    But as explained at the Wildlife News, that isn’t what the quoted blurb means:
    There is some feeble effort to try to mitigate the damage to wildlife [caused by solar development]. Some of it is near the sites of these solar mirrors. This is called “primary mitigation.” Some is in a place distant to the solar power site. This is called “secondary mitigation.” Wildlife mitigation is things like planting grass wildlife need or like, development of new water sources for wildlife to drink, and restoration of rangeland overgrazed by cattle.

    All this bureaucratic language means is that private groups like the Western Watersheds Project, Friends of Nevada Wilderness, Friends of Gold Butte and Friends of Joshua Tree Forest don’t think the damage from solar power plants located elsewhere can be mitigated at Gold Butte because the cattle will tromp all over it.

    Sources:

    Camia, Catalina. “Sen. Harry Reid on Nevada Cattle Dispute: ’It’s Not Over.’”USA Today. 14 April 2014.Ford, Matt. “The Irony of Cliven Bundy’s Unconstitutional Stand.”The Atlantic. 14 April 2014.Landau, Joel. “Federal Government Stops Fight with Nevada Rancher Over Grazing Land.”[New York] Daily News. 12 April 2014.Maughan, Ralph. “Bundy’s Land Is Not Solar Farm for Harry Reid.”Wildlife News. 13 April 2014.Maughan, Ralph. "Here Is the “Notorious” Missing BLM Page Connecting to Harry Reid."Wildlife News. 15 April 2014.Shine, Conor. “Company Dumps Big Laughlin Solar Project, Says Market Won’t Support It.”Las Vegas Sun. 14 June 2013.Stern, Marcus. “U.S. Senator Reid, Son Combine for China firm’s Desert Plant.”Reuters. 31 August 2012.Woods, Lucy. “Moapa Tribe and First Solar Begin Construction of 250MW Project.”PV-Tech 24 March 2014.

  11. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, 5 months ago

    @Silmenume

    Thank you for the additional information, Silmenume. I confess to having a limited number of sources and had not been aware of the extra law enforcement personnel or their weapons. CBS only showed the group of police under the bridge.
    If, as you say, the federal gov’t failed to give appropriate time for Mr. Bundy to respond in the courts, and if they acted in haste to seize Mr. Bundy’s cattle in an effort to have the land used for other purposed without proper public discussion or discourse on the matter, then a judge should have been found who would have filed an injunction blocking these actions. The federal gov’t, if your info is correct, is in the wrong and needs to stand back and continue using the courts.
    That said…
    If the IRS seizes my property because of an error, I do not have the right to kill anyone. I can take them to court, and if found to be in the right, I can sue for damages and harm done, and perhaps even file a civil suit against the individuals who failed to do their job properly.
    There seems to be an opinion that had the police/rangers moved in to take the cattle, the private citizens with weapons would have had a right to kill people. The people who were protesting had the right to do so and to be arrested for civil disobedience just as people protesting in other venues have done. As private citizens, they had the right to go to jail for their convictions and be heard in court and let public opinion and the courts decide who was right.
    Harry Reid is an idiot and a cancer in the Senate. I have said from the first days I began posting that Pelosi, Reid, Boehnor, and McConnell are the leaders of the two party oligarchy ruining our nation. If he is indeed part of what you claim, I hope there is a hearing on his behavior and whether h e should be censured.
    Once again, I do appreciate you expanding on this story and I will look for the video you suggest. I still believe that those who aimed guns at Federal and state agents were criminal, but I believe that if you are right, those agents may have been following unlawful orders.
    Except for your point of my not knowing enough about the gov’t and Mr. Bundy’s conflict, I do take issue with your final paragraph. I have no blood lust, and we’d have to debate further for you to make an informed decision about my knowledge of history and the Constitution.
    You presented a well reasoned and respectfully presented argument from which I learned some things. I wish you had ended it as well. I based my comment about some in the media seeing to be disappointed there wasn’t bloodshed based on the tone of some reporters I heard and comments made on news shows. I wish they had spent more time covering the full story instead of sensationalizing the drama.
    Thank you again for the reply. I benefited from most of it.
    Respectfully,
    C.

  12. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, 5 months ago

    @Tigger

    The Daily Show is satire based on real news, Tigger.
    The sequence of which Truist speaks has Mr. Hannity defending Mr. Bundy’s rights to disobey the police, a right he may actually have if Silmenume is right, but is then shown attacking people with whom Mr. Hannity doesn’t agree for their own acts of law breaking. Mr. Stewart is at his best when he shows his targets, conservatives and liberals alike, saying one thing now, when in the past, they said the exact opposite. For instance, Mr. Obama speaking against the NSA surveillance program in 2008, but talking in support of it now. It would be better to compare The Daily Show to the editorial cartoons to which we comment. Satire addressing the current events of our time. And just as these cartoons call out the hypocrisy of our public figures, Mr. Stewart does the same.
    He may be a comedian, but that doesn’t mean he’s not telling the truth about some things.
    Respectfully,
    C.

  13. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, 5 months ago

    @masterskrain

    Thank you, Masterkrain. I found your submission to these topic very informative.
    Sincerely,
    C.

  14. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/04/15/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-long-fight-between-cliven-bundy-and-the-federal-government/

  15. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    again it was the feds who 1st brought the snipers and 200 military men to take a ranch with 1 family and 20 ranch hands.
    2 how much in fines, not how much in tacked on penalties. yes feds say 1.1 million, Reid says millions, but the source of the fines, the start of it all was the fine to protect a tortoise. A tortoise that now has numbers so high the “refuge” set up is euthanizing them. So again, how much extortion “grazing fees” to save the tortoise is owed.
    and how much work has bundy done to the land he is to be said “trespassing” The feds did destroy water and fence that Bundy had installed legally via State regulations. That is along with killing 2 prized bulls.
    So how much “cost” vs “gain” has the feds been doing? The original shake down grazing fees were under 300,000 yet the feds are willing to set up fines for over a million and spend a million or so to collect on 300,000 fees?

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