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Jeff Danziger

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  1. Zuhlamon

    Zuhlamon GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    At least the more sane Republicans are finding the guts to do things regardless of the lunatic fringe.

  2. pirate227

    pirate227 said, over 2 years ago

    @Zuhlamon

    For party not for country but, it’ll do.

  3. JudeTheObtuse

    JudeTheObtuse GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    …and…and…and I think he’s a Muslim too!

  4. Stipple

    Stipple said, over 2 years ago

    The group stands by the words of the “very few”, this is not outsiders slandering them.
    It is not even slander and they are doing it to themselves. English is my first language and I understand what they are saying very well.

  5. martens

    martens said, over 2 years ago

    Not meaning to be snarky, but one can be really very smart (as judged by the standard IQ tests) and still make cognitive mistakes. As Jonathon Haidt some time ago, the emotional tail wags the rational dog…and often even usually we won’t realize that is what is happening. It’s really very difficult to avoid such errors, so I think one needs to be a bit humble about one’s ideas. They may be wrong in spite of everything.

  6. Robert Landers

    Robert Landers said, over 2 years ago

    @martens

    Joadtom is certainly not totally incorrect when he espouses less government (as he thinks the tea party also does). The problem is that this means that individuals (and corporations are now individuals according to the Supreme Court) will need to take up the slack if there is less government. This would mean that younger individuals such as himself would then become responsible for taking care of such as the elderly that can no longer take care of themselves. Does he then think that is actually going to happen with the pure for profit corporations, or even the “me, me, ME!” generation? Sorry, but as one of those elderly that did my bit for the USA and society in general, but never became wealthy while doing so (as did the far greater number of such elderly), I would far rather depend on the government to help me back now than any other entity.


    And this is especially true, as I am the major provider for not only my incredibly wonderful wife of some 50+ years, but even for my laid off son-in-law, my daughter, and my two grand children. And I am certainly not alone in this kind of situation today. The tea party types threaten that very survival, and would throw all of we middle class elderly under the bus, so naturally I oppose them!

  7. martens

    martens said, over 2 years ago

    Or maybe it means we need to learn HOW to use intelligence?

  8. omQ R

    omQ R said, over 2 years ago

    Well, to be fair, I did see someone celebrating his IQ, although he admits he was a tad tired at the time. All good students party hard.

  9. lonecat

    lonecat said, over 2 years ago

    Can I put in a word for other kinds of smart? Such as musical smart? IQ tests don’t test for that. Or athletic smart? (I just watched the Canadian women win gold in curling — they are so so so good!)

  10. martens

    martens said, over 2 years ago

    So the question then arises, what do we mean by intelligence? Initially, I was restricting the definition here to what is tested in the standard IQ test with the idea that more is realy needed than what the test detects. . lonecat has validly pointed out that there are other ways of measuring intelligence, and Baslim has pointed out the effect of experience (wisdom) on the use of intelligence (I assume as tested by Stanford Binet).

  11. lonecat

    lonecat said, over 2 years ago

    I guess my personal experience influences how I think about all this. When I was in my middle and later teens I got to know a bunch of sort of super-smart kids, at least as indicated by their test scores. Many of them were kind of stuck up about it, and I found it tiresome. (In retrospect I think that many of them were compensating for feelings of loneliness and alienation they had developed in high school.) Then I got to know a bunch of people from the civil rights movement and the peace movement. They weren’t people who scored high on tests, mostly, and some of them had never been in a life situation where testing made much difference to anything, but a number of them were impressively insightful about human relationships, and they had a much better understanding of how power works in the US. Overall I would not want to say that one group was smarter than the other.

  12. martens

    martens said, over 2 years ago

    But I think the question of what we mean when we say “intelligence” is still hanging out there in the wind. If I remember correctly, we disagreed on the idea that there are different kinds of intelligence. I think there are. For example, I think that the kind of mind that can create music is a very different intelligence than the kind I have that enables me to do my kind of biology. So what has to be considered to define it?

  13. lonecat

    lonecat said, over 2 years ago

    You know a lot more than I do about testing, so I will certainly defer to your knowledge. And I don’t doubt that there is something (if it’s a thing) that we can call intelligence. It’s just that I’ve been very impressed by some people who didn’t test all that well and not so impressed by some people who tested very well. I’m not trying to draw a general point on anecdotal evidence; but I would say that individuals shouldn’t be discouraged if they don’t test all that well or too puffed up if they do. First, some abilities aren’t tested by IQ tests (though there could be other tests that do test those abilities.) Second, it’s very possible for a person who doesn’t test well to become successful. IQ isn’t destiny. But I don’t think I’m disagreeing with you overall.

  14. lonecat

    lonecat said, over 2 years ago

    I’m not quite sure what we are disagreeing about.

  15. lonecat

    lonecat said, over 2 years ago

    I wasn’t talking about Mensa. When I was in university I knew a group of students who were in a special program for the super-smart; it was an experimental program to see what they could do if they weren’t restricted to the standard curriculum. They took special courses designed just for them — normal students weren’t allowed in. And they all lived together in a special “brain” dorm. My impression is that the program was a disaster. I still keep up with a few of them and I hear news about some others. They were variously successful, depending on how you measure success, but not notably more successful than the people I knew who were not in the program. And as I said, I was much more comfortable when I starting hanging out with the crazy lefties.

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