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cjkinsey said, 4 months ago

Thank you Danziger.
Dale Hopson said, 4 months ago

We’ve folks from Pakistan and India living side by side in Flushing, Queens, and they never fight each other…
Maybe it is due to TV after all?
HOWGOZIT said, 4 months ago

Thanks Bush, not Danziger
Right_On said, 4 months ago

I think Iran needs ACORN.
rikoshayrabbit said, 4 months ago

Let’s see if I can remember…. Something like a close call in Florida, where his brother Jeb was the governor, and a lady named Harris was the state Attorney General, and an avid Bush supporter? And a whole bunch of votes from black people for Gore were never counted, but still there were so many votes that it turned out Gore won the election anyway?? And something like the national Supreme Court, which contained a majority of Republicans who supported Bush…. actually ruled that the vote counting stop and then they handed to presidency over to Bush???Does any of that seem memorable??? I recall quite a few people screaming “Hail to the Thief” the day W made his way through the inauguration day. Do you remember any of that, bigot boy?
helen lundergan said, 4 months ago

Wow, rikoshayrabbit, what a great intelligent comment. And just because I agree with you 100% has nothing to do with it. I will always remember the first scene of Michael Moore’s Farenheit 911 when Gore as VP had to recite the votes for Bush, and despite the comments from the Congressional Black Caucus, was obligated to claim George Bush as president. How sad
And ANandy, since you seem to be pro-Bush, why do you have President Obama’s picture as your avatar?
jkshaw said, 4 months ago

Anandy has 666 tattooed on President Obama’s forehead. It’s just about seeable if you squint.

Also Anandy is nuts.
M Kitt said, 4 months ago

I’m of the belief that Anan is literally supporting his or her religious viewpoint that 666 represents Obama, you get the connection. Not just nuts, fundamentally nuts.
Well stated RKR, can you imagine the hate-speech (“incite” or call to violence is the legal term) that would have been the result of a reversal of positions, if Limp*ick and O’Really were to get their hands on material like a stolen presidential election that placed a democrat in office?
nighthawks said, 4 months ago

rikoshayrabbit!….. cool! that was perfect! clueless bigot boy…must be one of 22% that approved this idiot’s presidency.
it was my thought when the results of the Iranian election came out that the guys that rigged this need to take a lesson from the bushboys….SUBTLETY !—-if you are going to steal an election , you can’t eradicate ALL the votes…..just enough to win…….if it’s THAT obvious, you wont get all the protests….
I would say that the supreme leader, with the final say, seems to be the equivalent of our supreme court in 2000
deadheadzan said, 4 months ago

Rikoshay-perfect comment, likewise nighthawks. We Americans just watch too much tv and sit on our butts, except for 2008 when it was change or die.
HOWGOZIT said, 4 months ago

Cry me a river deadhead, nighthawk, rikoshay, earthakitt, and Helen!
motivemagus said, 4 months ago

Thanks, Danziger. We should have hit the streets to protest 2000. It’s gonna be the Dred Scott decision for this century.
rikoshayrabbit said, 4 months ago

Wow… I’m still remembering stuff…. all kind of weirdness coming back into focus… like…. wasn’t the Harris woman from Florida, the Attorney General who called a stop to the vote counting there, also the Florida chairman of the Committee to Elect Bush??? No impropriety there, nosiree….

Don’t think because I’m focussing upon the criminal outcome of the 2000 election, that I’m actually endorsing the other candidate. All of the liars do exactly as they are told, regardless of party affiliation. We The People are tossed a slug coin every four years, it’s got a republican on one side and a democrat on the other. Cashing the slug at the voting booth allows you to feel that you are a vital and essential ingredient in deciding the fate of America. It is none of your business.
dmarkowski said, 4 months ago

SO your resource is Wikipedia ….. a free web-based encyclopedia that ANYONE can edit. How the internet will prevail. One download to rule them all.
longtimecomicsfan said, 4 months ago

Here’s a link to the cartoon ANandy uses for an icon - I don’t think he gets the punchline, though.

http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20081015/Cartoon20081015.jpg
rikoshayrabbit said, 4 months ago

Good research, comicsfan! No… I doubt very much the little bigot will see the sarcasm Horsey supplied when the toon was originally penned. Ignorance is a tragedy, and still, kind of amusing to watch in an instance such as this.
DrCanuck said, 4 months ago

Pete: your analysis is well-received; your call to violence is not.
HOWGOZIT said, 4 months ago

If you cannot carry your home state, you don’t deserve to win any election.
M Kitt said, 4 months ago

Pete, well phrased but ineptly ended. With hate/violence being leading topics of disapproval (for good reason) that statement is not acceptable to anyone, have to agree with Satisp. & DrC. If that’s simply a joke in poor taste, and was intended as such, (I’d like to credit you as someone of intelligence that just slipped up) please revise or delete the end section, malicious violence isn’t funny. Or ironic, or facetious, or whatever the intent was.
bbbb160 said, 4 months ago

…because THAT’s how democracy works.. i must’ve forgot. what an idiot howgozit.
fennec said, 4 months ago

No, Howie is not an idiot, but he does get carried away sometimes. And how many of the rest of us can claim we don’t?
tpenna said, 4 months ago

Thanks for the humble words, fennec. Well said. And everybody’s qualified praise for Pete Rogan’s words are well said, also. Pete, your perfectly good comment is itself nullified by a vicious conclusion.

And HOWGOZIT, you’re going to need to go ahead and admit that your last comment was silly.

While there are some intelligent people who still defend the Electoral College, most of us realize that it is a barrier to true democratic expression. As such, the fact that Al Gore won roughly a half-million more votes than George W. Bush and yet still lost the election is the very definition of a failure of democracy.
tpenna said, 4 months ago

I would also note that the references to ANandy as a bigot seem unfounded as well. While I find many of her views to be wrongheaded and her logic to frequently be specious (and her refusal to dignify public servants by using their proper names to be infantile), I have never known her to be bigoted.
nomad2112 said, 4 months ago

tpenna, you’ve got it wrong about the Electoral College. It is a barrier to populist bullying and a safeguard to true representation. Without the Electoral College people in less populous areas wouldn’t even have a reason to vote.
gbrucewilson said, 4 months ago

OK, here are the FACTS. The “recount” was done a dozen times or more, by different media groups (mostly liberal), trying to prove Gore won. They used every convoluted way of counting and not counting votes that they could think of. The result in 100% of the “recounts”, Bush still wins. Some counts were as little as 500 votes difference. If just one of these recounts had showed Gore the winner we would have heard about it from the media for years.

On the electoral vote, it was set up that way because we are a republic and the founders wanted the states to be more important than a simple majority. That is why each state has two senators, regardless of size. In that sense, we are not a true democracy. In our form of government, the state is supposed to have more power and be more important than the federal government. That idea has slipped away, as federal lawmakers have grabbed for more and more power over the years. In my opinion, this shift in power is the main reason for our problems and decline.
tpenna said, 4 months ago

Nomad, I can sympathize with your position, but a great deal more people have no reason to vote given the current winner-take-all Electoral College. For instance, for the five years I lived in Maryland, my vote there was worthless. Maryland is an almost unmovable “blue state”. Far more people are disenfranchised under the Electoral College (anyone who doesn’t live in a “battleground state”).

So no, I don’t think I do have it wrong about the Electoral College. It is an absolute barrier to democratic expression. One person should equal one vote.

Incidentally, I wonder how many people would be singing this tune had (as was predicted before the election) Gore won the electoral vote and Bush won the popular tally.
DrCanuck said, 4 months ago

gbrucewilson said: “OK, here are the FACTS. The “recount” was done a dozen times or more, by different media groups (mostly liberal), trying to prove Gore won.”

So in your understanding, Katherine Harris gave the official election returns to the LIBERAL PRESS for the recounts? Why would she do THAT, fer heaven’s sake?

(Ya gotta love these alternate reality boys!)
David said, 4 months ago

People are still sore about 2000?

It was the kind of election that was so poorly handled initially and during the recounts, and add that to Florida’s ill-thought-out system of voting…well, its understandable that there is doubt about it.

The only fact I know for sure in that situation that if Gore had won, he would have been accused of stealing the election. Bush won, so he was accused of stealing the election.

Florida’s voters were disenfranchised but not by Bush’s campaign or Republicans in Florida. They were disenfranchised by an incredibly unreliable system of voting and their vote further tainted by recounts that ignored the rules of their own elections.
mogelsberg said, 4 months ago

And….. what about the 2004 election? That one was surely stolen, also. I’m waiting for the investigation……… and waiting……
longtimecomicsfan said, 4 months ago

If you want to know how the 2004 election was stolen, just look up any accounts of voting in Ohio.

How is possible that in precincts where the number of registered voters is known, and the amount of time allotted by law for these people to vote is also known, that the amount of voting booths at polling places could be so severely shorted that people had to stand in line for eight hours?

Anyway, the hour-long video is available on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JvAix5YOzs
M Kitt said, 4 months ago

Longtime and Mogel, much of the public is unaware that the repub. majority congress at that time refused to engage in the challenge to Ohio’s ‘04 electoral votes, the majority leader simply confirmed those votes toward W and ignored the minority voice. Florida was also challenged (again) in ‘04 and never made a ripple in the news media either. Shorting the number of voting machines in Democratic districts as a tactic to disenfranchise voters was used in both elections, to say nothing of the highly questionable “black box” voting machines owned and managed by GOP affiliates.
Tigger said, 4 months ago

I will say this once more:

The Idiots within our News Outlets, both Cable and Network, Both Liberal and Conservative caused the Florida Fire. The Idiot Anchors in there infantile wisdom to be the First Anchor to ‘Project’ who our 43rd President will be failed to take a close look at the all Important Time Zone Map. Had they stopped to do this, they would have delayed calling Florida for Bush or Gore until 20:01 EST, See, the small Western Tip of Florida’s Panhandle falls in the Central Time Zone. Polls were till open when the Idiot Anchors called Florida for Gore after the Polls Closed in Florida’s Capital City. Tallahassee, which falls in the Eastern Time Zone. Had they waited one Hour, then they would have made the Correct cal the First Time.. Florida is Too Close to Call.

Al Gore had the Right to call for a Recount of Punch Card Ballots due to the Screw up of the Idiot Democrat Election Commission for Palm County setting up the Stupid Butterfly Ballot. Where Al gore went awry was his Stupid Brain failed to request that Every Punch Card Ballot in the entire State be recounted to One Set Standard. No, My friends, Mr. Al Gore tried to Steal Florida when he kept calling for Ballots in Palm County to be counted over and over albeit every time Bush won Palm County. He kept changing the recount rules. He wanted to count ‘Pregnant’ and ‘Dimpled’ Chads. He even went on th say he wanted the Officials to use ‘Voter Intent’ to count votes for him. Then he kept adding Heavily Democrat Populated Counties.
No, my friends, Bush did not Steal Florida, but with Gore’s shanghais, it most certainly appeared Mr. Gore was doing everything to Steal Florida. Oh, Florida would have been a moot point had Al Gore Carried his ‘Home’ State of Tennessee. Trouble is, Al was born in Virginia, not Tennessee.

Stop and think People, What did Tennesseans know about Al Gore that kept them form voting for him? Why did the 4th Congressional District he once Represented Vote for Bush instead of Gore?

Sorry, Gore lost in 2000 because he lost Tennessee, Do the Maht yourself, Subtract 11 Electoral Votes (Tennessee) from Bush, and add the 11 Electoral Votes (Tennessee) to Gore, and he wins by a slim margin.
Machado said, 4 months ago

^ excellent summation of what happened in Florida,,,the Dems only wanted a re-count of favorable Dems precincts only, not a recount of all the ballots like some revisionist claim today…….

I would add that the Palm Beach county voters demands for re-counts were instigated by Democrat operatives that began a massive “call” campaign to create doubts about their votes –not chad related–in the minds of retired mostly democrat senior citizens, and then the “chad” controversy took off instead.

Palm beach had been using this system for many years for local elections, and no one ever complained before..not until the sleek Democrat party lawyers came down to Florida.
DrCanuck said, 4 months ago

This continuing absurd argument only serves to convince foreigners that Americans haven’t the first idea of how to run elections.
gbrucewilson said, 4 months ago

DrC, We agree for once. And it would be so simple. First, require photo IDs in all states. Second, require all states to have the same type voting machine. The ones with a simple paper ballot that is run through a scanner. If you double vote, it is rejected. If you fail to vote for an office, you lose your vote. If there is a close race, hand count the ballots. Stop allowing interest groups to bring people to the polls and pay them to vote. In fact, neither party wants a “fair” vote. The dems don’t want photo IDs because it would put ACORN out of business and the dead could no longer vote. The GOP want photo IDs because it discourages some poor voters. If this country really wanted fair voting, it would have happened years ago.
DrCanuck said, 4 months ago

It’s all so simple, huh? Well, how do you intend to ACCOMPLISH all your fine improvements?
M Kitt said, 4 months ago

GBR, if you’d like a nice breakdown of potential influence of ACORN and the number of times they’ve actually been found to be connected with fraud I’ll be happy to provide that, but it’s nearly statistically zero. Repubs. point to ACORN as a counter to the voting machine “black box” accusation, ACORN is closely monitored at the national and state level and couldn’t get away with fraud of a significant scale if they wanted to, not so these machines, unregulated at that time, no paper trail, highly susceptible to manipulation. Haven’t heard you address the “shorting” of machines in Democratic districts…..voters waiting for as long as 6 hours in poor weather, many forced to leave for job or family obligations.
DrCanuck said, 4 months ago

Yup, after all this time, ACORN has yet to be proven guilty of anything. I laughed when FAUX News reported that ACORN had been rocked by “scandal after scandal after scandal” when it’s really “unsubstantiated accusation after unsubstantiated accusation after unsubstantiated accusation.”

Rumor, apparently, is quite enough for some folks to form conclusions.
longtimecomicsfan said, 4 months ago

If you want to require photo ID at the polls, simply add the provision of a photo ID to the list of Constitutional rights enjoyed by the American public. Voting is a RIGHT, not a privilege.

And if you want to fixate on Acorn, then you should also be mindful of the nature of proprietary, closed-source program code used in voting machines. They’ve been shown to be easily hackable in several instances.
M Kitt said, 4 months ago

Voter registration error is the only “mismanagement” issue ACORN has been associated with and none of these invalid registrations was ever applied as a vote, meaning no one tried to use any of the improperly registered billets. Even the “mismanaged” links were to temporary hires, people brought on for purposes of single elections. Using the shotgun method of full-press fraud accusations against ACORN is just another smear campaign, Carl Rove and associates are very familiar with this method, just ask Valery Plame or her husband, former ambassador Joe Wilson, maybe confer with “Scooter” Lewis Libby, then chief of staff for Darth Cheney. http://www.newsweek.com/id/180448
tpenna said, 4 months ago

The ability to vote for a representative in government is that very right (for self-determination) for which the American Revolution was fought, ANandy. I’d say that I’d love to see you try to refute the fact that voting is a right, but I really don’t want to wade through another of your nonsensical tirades that will leave me sick to my stomach.
tpenna said, 4 months ago

See, and here I thought we were going to have an exegetical debate until I checked the reference. I will happily imbibe from time to time. :)

The pseudepigraphical text you mention is interesting, though, on another front. The author suggests drinking wine for the sake of upset tummies and other ailments. But everybody knows that this is not an exhaustive list of reasons to drink wine. Is wine not properly drunk for frivolity’s sake?

In the same way, your dogged insistence that the Constitution is the guarantor of all true rights is spurious. One thing that almost kept the founders from framing the Bill of Rights was the notion that some yahoo (like yourself) would infer that it was meant to be an exhaustive document and that no other rights existed except those enumerated in the Constitution or its Amendments.

Voting representation in government is a right. This fundamental principle of democratic republicanism is axiomatic, thus needing no documentation.
tpenna said, 4 months ago

So you see, ANandy, that I haven’t dodged the question. I have merely ridiculed your incessant need for documentation for those things that do not require it (i.e., axioms).

As I have said before, you probably would have asked Descartes for documentation for his foundational principle: “Cogito ergo sum.”
tpenna said, 4 months ago

Anybody who is unfortunate enough to be left reading this comment thread will, upon rereading the last seven posts, unequivocally find that I have exactly answered your absurd question, ANandy.

Again, democratic republicanism does not exist unless all citizens are enfranchised with voting rights. This axiom is irrefutable.

Now I’ll ask you two questions: Do you believe that the only true rights are those enumerated in the Constitution? Second, are they rights by virtue of their presence in said document, or do they contain some transcendent inviolable status?
tpenna said, 4 months ago

On a side note, I shuddered before hitting the “post” button because I cannot explain why I keep engaging you in your farcical theories.

Really, I should be spending this time working on any number of other things that are actually important.
ANandy said, 4 months ago

I asked a simple question: “Where is voting designated a right?”
tpenna said, 4 months ago

I answered your simple question: “One need not designate or codify an axiom. If you needed to, it wouldn’t be an axiom.”
ANandy said, 4 months ago

So much “progressive” discussion comes down to this: I want so badly to believe it, it must be so. We are a nation of defined laws, not axioms, as many cannot agree on what is axiomatic.
I find a lot of theological thinking the same.
Much of what is considered “progressive” thought can’t withstand the scrutiny of examination, as it is based on “feelings”.
tpenna said, 4 months ago

If you scroll back through our discussion, I’m pretty sure you won’t find any assumptions or arguments based on feeling, ANandy.

An axiom is not an axiom because people agree it is. An axiom is self-evident. It is a sine qua non. If you take away people’s right to vote, you no longer have a democratic republic. “One person, one vote” is an indispensable ingredient.
ANandy said, 4 months ago

Try obtaining a court judgement based on an axiom.

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