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Radish
said, 3 months ago
There is always one wing nut in the crowd to impede progress.
cdward said, 3 months ago
Although I do oppose the drone program as it has been implemented.
Gary Kleppe said, 3 months ago
For once I agree with Rand Paul. The day our government can murder people at will, we’re just another banana republic.
mikefive said, 3 months ago
@Gary Kleppe
Welcome to the Banana Republic. We have the Patriot Act restricting freedom sliding into the 2012 Department of Defense budget restricting habeas corpus and, the latest, the Department of Justice memo outlining policy for putting people on a kill list. You can read the pertinent areas in the Patriot Act and the DoD budget, but DoJ will not release its memo. The Associated Press and the ACLU are trying to get that memo released through the Freedom of Information act.
Ms. Ima said, 3 months ago
Only because the Koolaid drinking liberals are passed out from doing nothing.
motivemagus said, 3 months ago
I find it astonishing that I am agreeing with Rand Paul over anything, but I do agree that the drone program is scary and should be challenged.
The reality is that ANYONE can assemble a small, basic, radio-controlled drone that can carry a few pounds of weight. Jon Stewart had a guest who pointed that out. But making them official tools of the government for domestic use makes me angry.
Bruce4671 said, 3 months ago
@Radish
Progress? You think that the sanctioned death of a us citizen by the government using a drone in Topeka, KS, is “progress”???
While you sit around and criticize Rand Paul and call him a “wing-nut” he is calling out the idea that killing US citizens without due process is unconstitutional. Re-read his excerpts from the US Constitution.
5th amendment: “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury,”
6th amendment (in toto): “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.”
So, when asked by Sen. Cruz if it was “constitutional” to use a drone to eliminate a “suspected” criminal or terrorist while he/she was sitting in a shop having coffee, Eric Holder would NOT say it was un-constitutional and later said that the President had the power to make that decision. Is THAT what you want? Isn’t it bad enough that you and I let the Patriot Act stand out of fear?
WE the People MUST take a stand somewhere or you and I will be begging the government for our very life.
Radish
said, 3 months ago
@Bruce4671
I am unable to find, using a drone in Topeka, KS, to kill a US citizen. Do you have a link for this?
d_legendary1 said, 3 months ago
@motivemagus
We must be in the twilight zone if we are agreeing with Rand Paul.
Radish
said, 3 months ago
What I see is Tea publicans trying to stop another Obama nomination by hook or by crook. I know Rand Paul lives in wonderland but his political stunt accomplished nothing.
singlespeed said, 3 months ago
Sweet irony when people left of center were criticizing the Bush Administration over the Patriot Act, gratuitous pat-downs at the airports and border crossings, banning of shampoo bottles in your carry-on, xray scanning, warrantless wire-taps, V-chips, extra-ordinary rendition, torture, expanded Executive Privilege to interpret the Constitution anyway the POTUS liked, the initiation of drone-strikes and the creation of the largest security apparatus in the world known as the DEPT. of HOMELAND SECURITY, behind the cloak of LIBERTY, wrapped in the Stars and Stripes while chest-pounding about PATRIOTISM, were called Anti-American, threatened with treason, told to “love it or leave it” and even put on “watch lists”, there was nary a sound fron the Right about shredding the Constitution or turning America into AmeriKa.
The fact that Obama has continued those same Bush policies, HE, not the policies, has suddenly become a national threat according to the Right. Were that the Right could be consistent in their protestations. But when they filibuster about Obama’s supposed trampling of their 2nd Amendment rights, the GOP turn around and pass or try to pass laws to restrict Americans rights to privacy, rights to vote, rights to marry whom they want to, and fundamentally have no issues with restricting our Rights and Privileges under the name of security.
Personally, I find Obama’s continuing those Bush era policies as shameful but I find our Congress, willfully extending those policies without regard to the average American citizen because they’re beholden to the Military-Security-Industrial Complex, to even more reprehensible.
ansonia
said, 3 months ago
@Radish
And by “impede progress” you mean “uphold the Constitution” ?
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Only Liberals can somehow think water-boarding an enemy to gain information is evil, but killing an American citizen without benefit of counsel is a good thing.
Bruce4671 said, 3 months ago
@Radish
Well now, Paul said “if a citizen was sitting in a coffee shop” or words to that effect, in this country. So Topeka is as good a spot as say Jacksonville or Detroit or SAn Francisco …..
Picking nits much?
Gary Kleppe said, 3 months ago
@ansonia
I don’t think either is a good thing. Though you’ve prejudiced the question by asserting that the torture victim is an enemy, when in fact for all we know he could be anyone who got picked off the street. Unless of course you think all people of a given religion and/or skin color are enemies.
Rockngolfer said, 3 months ago
I think it is funny to try to follow what John McCain is for or against on any given day.
He blasted Paul’s use of Jane Fonda references and said that a lot of Paul’s “debate” was not true.
I guess McCain wants Brennan confirmed.