Henry Payne by Henry Payne

Henry Payne

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  1. Rad-ish

    Rad-ish GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    Romney got his wish.

  2. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, over 1 year ago

    @cubefarmer

    What is he lying about?
    I personally blame Detroit’s politicians, the CEOs of companies who abandoned Detroit, & the unions who failed to compromise with companies as well as the citizens who elected the politicians in Detroit.
    Not sure where Romney fits into this.
    However, is Radish lying, or is he simply not covering the bases you want covered?
    “Your kind”? “Lie”? Not a civil way to debate an issue.
    curiously,
    C.

  3. rpmurray

    rpmurray said, over 1 year ago

    Shouldn’t Bankrupt be on the left and Full on the right? Just like in politics.

  4. tom

    tom GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    There’s a white guy living in Detroit?

  5. mikefive

    mikefive said, over 1 year ago

    Henry Payne

    The seeds for the fall of Detroit’s economy were sown right after the end of WW II. The U.S. was the only major intact manufacturing country in the world and could charge a premium for its products. Unions were reaching their peak of influence at the same time. Wages and benefits increased significantly. Quality deteriorated.By the 60’s German and Japanese cars were starting to appear in small numbers. They were cheaper, got better gas mileage, and were of better quality, but made no significant inroads in U.S. products.

    The 1973 oil crisis caused a dramatic rise in the sales of more fuel efficient vehicles, but Detroit ignored this trend. By the time Detroit reacted the Japanese had an established and expanding market for fuel efficient, quality cars. Detroit automakers saw their mistake and tried to change, but the auto unions refused to budge from their adversarial role and kept demanding more. Management foolishly kept giving more for short term gain knowing that long term it was disastrous.

    The city of Detroit and its unions followed the auto maker’s/union’s example and raised taxes to raise revenue (rather than prices) to pay for expanded services, wages, and benefits. The general level of costs to produce cars forced manufacturers to leave, reducing Detroits tax base. In order to maintain and increase services, wages and taxes, Detroit raised taxes. More manufacturing jobs left. Round and Round. By the time the politicans absolutely had to do something it was too late.

    All parties involved led to Detroit’s disaster.

    And yes, I realize this is an over simplified, exceedingly condensed version of history.

  6. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, over 1 year ago

    @mikefive

    Excellent post. Just to help clarify: one of the contributing factors was that we had just bombed the living bejesus out of Japan and Germany. This meant that the US auto industry had virtually no competition throughout the fifties and sixties, while those countries recovered their economies and their manufacturing infrastructures. People who sell a necessary product with no competition often grow fat and lazy, and the auto industry was no exception. Muscle cars were cool, but impractical, because although they could snap your neck going straight ahead, in curves they were as graceful as a bull elk on ice.
    Thanks for helping to put the situation into perspective. As usual, roots of problems run deeper than they appear at first glance.

  7. jack75287

    jack75287 said, over 1 year ago

    @Rad-ish

    It wasn’t a wish, now because President Obama was clearly so wrong you have to Damn Romney. Bad taste.

  8. jack75287

    jack75287 said, over 1 year ago

    @Respectful Troll

    Bad attitude can be as bad as lying.

  9. Rad-ish

    Rad-ish GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

    In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check.
    Mitt Romney
    .
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=0

  10. denis1112

    denis1112 said, over 1 year ago

    Been to the DMV lately?Thats who the feds will bailout. Detroit government union pensioners.People who did not pay into Social Security but will now get tax money from others who did.

  11. renofats

    renofats said, over 1 year ago

    For a minute I thought you meant F…ing bankrupt, butthen I realized you were referring to a gas tank. But still….

  12. warjoski

    warjoski GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    @Respectful Troll

    Thank you for your point on civility. I’ll agree cubefarmer’s comment was overboard.

    However, for retorts to be civil, it helps if the first point made is also done civilly. Radish is accusing Romney of wishing Detroit would fall. Maybe I missed the speech Romney made where he called for the destruction of Detroit (must have been that famous Ich bien Godzilla one I hear so much about). If so, I’ll be happy to retract this part of the comment.

  13. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, over 1 year ago

    @warjoski

    I knew Romney had stated that failing car companies should be made to go through bankruptcy, but weren’t all of the car companies already gone from Detroit by then?
    I thought there was another Romney story of which I was ignorant.
    Thank you for giving me an idea of what might be going on.
    I confuse easily.
    @ mikefive & I Play One on TV
    Thank you for the excellent posts and the perspectives they offered. Great comments!!
    Respectfully,
    C.

  14. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    Consumer Reports just named the new Chevy Impala the best car on the market, but as “Play one” notes, CR has never cared much about handling of vehicles, as opposed to legroom, and car seat attachments. BTW, what is the actual U.S. made content of the Chevy Impala??? How much built in Detroit? right, it’s all the unions fault.

  15. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, over 1 year ago

    @cubefarmer

    Saw what his comment, Farmer.
    Just didn’t understand it since, as I noted, I was unaware there were car factories still in the Detroit. I wondered if Mr. Romney had suggested that cities should be allowed to go bankrupt as well. The attacks on Pension funds nationwide may make cities and towns more solvent, but what it is going to do to our retirees is a nightmare.
    @ Molon Labe – “The only thing worse than a lie is a lie spoken as truth.” I don’t know the source of the quote, but it falls in line with your own statement and I agree. I also agree that the people in power failed to be longsighted and in their hubris made decisions with the assumption the car industry would ALWAYS be in Detroit and the money would ALWAYS flow. Our nation is filled with short sighted politicians of both parties. And if your party was in total control in all fifty states and D.C., it might not have the consequences for our nation that you want. I know I would dislike it if the Dems had total control since I don’t trust that half of the oligarchy either.
    ^
    On a separate note…
    Scott Rigell, R-(VA) in the DC House of Reps & Mark Warner, D-(VA) US Senator, are calling on Congress to forgo their month long holiday and get some legislation done.
    Mr. Rigell’s office is also very good at replying to my emails. I hope this behavior won’t cause the RNC to decide not to help him in the next election. His party was very upset with him for standing next to Mr. Obama at an event at the Newport News Shipyard.
    I think I found a Republican I can vote for again.
    Thank you to everyone who tried to enlighten me. I can be dense and have found when I make assumptions I usually go the wrong way with them.
    Respectfully,
    C.

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