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@conservegov, no they won’t have to wait 4 months or 4 weeks to see a doctor. They won’t go bankrupt due to illnesss. The USA should have universal healthcare like other countries.
It’s a good thing Obamacare is nothing like what the NHS has. It has been noted that Prof Hawking teaches at a university in Cambridge, so he gets US healthcare, since the NHS death panels would have allowed him to die.
Obamacare had some very popular provisions for 2012: parents can pay to cover their children up to age 26, and there were rebates for many people who had insurance. The Supreme Court ruled that the requirement, that starts soon, that everyone MUST buy insurance is just an ordinary tax, just like any other tax. It did rule that part of Obamacare was completely evil and unconstitutional, the part about the government providing financial assistance to those who can’t afford the premiums. So anyone who can’t afford the premiums will be guilty of tax evasion. As the Obamabots point out, you can’t be jailed for tax evasion in the US, so the millions of US citizens who already refuse to pay the taxes they owe without facing any penalties will probably also refuse to buy health insurance without facing any penalties.
Oh, don’t worry. The IRS has ways of helping people to pay their taxes, I knoiw, I am a retired revenue officer. I helped thousands pay their taxes by selling their home, their car, empting their bank accounts, taking most of their paycheck. The IRS will probably hire more as they did me when Clinton raised taxes to insure the tax bills get paid. I averaged 1.3 million year in collecting unpaid taxes from some of the poorest counties.
“Wait until people have to wait 4 months to see a doctor. Then that turkey will be cooked.”
My local clinic is owned by the Mayo Clinic system. Our wait time to see a doctor is already over a month. It’s been that way for well over a decade. Besides, “conservatives” have yet to tell us how Obama care will impact wait times.
My doctor has said that he has quit taking new patients and this will evolve to a system where there will be a huge influx of local type clinics that will be staffed by nurse practitioners and a lot fewer m.d.‘s. The number of general practitioners is decreasing out of medical schools and specialties increasing. G.P.’s don’t make anywhere near the same money and have more hassles with insurance and often bigger overhead costs. It’s not going to be an easy transition when the “full effect” of the program kicks in in 2014.
Clinics and nurse practitioners may be happening now, but it will be an exponential rise when Obamacare kicks in fully in 2014. Personally I think this is just a very awkward, convoluted process to eventually get us to a single payer system, but the insurance industry killed that possibility for the moment.
Look at some real statistics about this sometimes. The US has a higher preventable death rate (67 per 100k compared to 53 in Britain, 37 in France). More people die HERE waiting for a doctor than in most industrialized countries. The fault is our insurance companies, who employ people to try to find out how to deny as much coverage as possible. Here’s the real kicker – countries with universal healthcare SPENDLESS on healthcare than the US does. If you treat healthcare as a right, cut out the needless competition from for-profit insurance companies, more money can go back to the actual doctors and hospitals. The insurance companies are just a siphon that draws money away from where it should be used. Obviously you’ve never had a serious illness and seen how ridiculous insurance companies can actually be. We have access to some of the world’s best healthcare in this country, but we have had the world’s worst healthcare system. I don’t like the Obamacare mandate, but that was a compromise for the Republicans. Single payer is the best solution – but the lobbyists and insurance companies are doing their best to promote their lies to discredit it.
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ConserveGov said, 6 months ago
Wait until people have to wait 4 months to see a doctor. Then that turkey will be cooked.
Radish
said, 6 months ago
Gobble till you wobble.
Clark Kent said, 6 months ago
@conservegov, no they won’t have to wait 4 months or 4 weeks to see a doctor. They won’t go bankrupt due to illnesss. The USA should have universal healthcare like other countries.
Sr NONliberal said, 6 months ago
@Clark Kent
Yea, that way everyone can go bankrupt together…what a great idea!
Sr NONliberal said, 6 months ago
What makes everyone think that the new healthcare system will be better run than Medicare or the VA system? I wish us luck.
Kylie2112 said, 6 months ago
@Sr NONliberal
Because Britain, Germany, and Scandinavia are all doing soooo poorly…
Michael wme said, 6 months ago
It’s a good thing Obamacare is nothing like what the NHS has. It has been noted that Prof Hawking teaches at a university in Cambridge, so he gets US healthcare, since the NHS death panels would have allowed him to die.
Obamacare had some very popular provisions for 2012: parents can pay to cover their children up to age 26, and there were rebates for many people who had insurance.
The Supreme Court ruled that the requirement, that starts soon, that everyone MUST buy insurance is just an ordinary tax, just like any other tax. It did rule that part of Obamacare was completely evil and unconstitutional, the part about the government providing financial assistance to those who can’t afford the premiums.
So anyone who can’t afford the premiums will be guilty of tax evasion. As the Obamabots point out, you can’t be jailed for tax evasion in the US, so the millions of US citizens who already refuse to pay the taxes they owe without facing any penalties will probably also refuse to buy health insurance without facing any penalties.
antiquetracman
said, 6 months ago
Oh, don’t worry. The IRS has ways of helping people to pay their taxes, I knoiw, I am a retired revenue officer. I helped thousands pay their taxes by selling their home, their car, empting their bank accounts, taking most of their paycheck. The IRS will probably hire more as they did me when Clinton raised taxes to insure the tax bills get paid. I averaged 1.3 million year in collecting unpaid taxes from some of the poorest counties.
Jase99 said, 6 months ago
@ConserveGov
“Wait until people have to wait 4 months to see a doctor. Then that turkey will be cooked.”
My local clinic is owned by the Mayo Clinic system. Our wait time to see a doctor is already over a month. It’s been that way for well over a decade. Besides, “conservatives” have yet to tell us how Obama care will impact wait times.
furnituremaker said, 6 months ago
@Sr NONliberal
the VA system has taken VERY good care of me
mickey1339
said, 6 months ago
My doctor has said that he has quit taking new patients and this will evolve to a system where there will be a huge influx of local type clinics that will be staffed by nurse practitioners and a lot fewer m.d.‘s. The number of general practitioners is decreasing out of medical schools and specialties increasing. G.P.’s don’t make anywhere near the same money and have more hassles with insurance and often bigger overhead costs. It’s not going to be an easy transition when the “full effect” of the program kicks in in 2014.
Mneedle said, 6 months ago
@Clark Kent
Do some research. Universal healthcare ALWAYS leads to rationing of healthcare. Look at Canada, GB, France, or Cuba.
mickey1339
said, 6 months ago
@Mr. King
Clinics and nurse practitioners may be happening now, but it will be an exponential rise when Obamacare kicks in fully in 2014. Personally I think this is just a very awkward, convoluted process to eventually get us to a single payer system, but the insurance industry killed that possibility for the moment.
Fourcrows said, 6 months ago
@ScottPM
Look at some real statistics about this sometimes. The US has a higher preventable death rate (67 per 100k compared to 53 in Britain, 37 in France). More people die HERE waiting for a doctor than in most industrialized countries. The fault is our insurance companies, who employ people to try to find out how to deny as much coverage as possible.
Here’s the real kicker – countries with universal healthcare SPEND LESS on healthcare than the US does. If you treat healthcare as a right, cut out the needless competition from for-profit insurance companies, more money can go back to the actual doctors and hospitals. The insurance companies are just a siphon that draws money away from where it should be used. Obviously you’ve never had a serious illness and seen how ridiculous insurance companies can actually be. We have access to some of the world’s best healthcare in this country, but we have had the world’s worst healthcare system. I don’t like the Obamacare mandate, but that was a compromise for the Republicans. Single payer is the best solution – but the lobbyists and insurance companies are doing their best to promote their lies to discredit it.
DrCanuck said, 6 months ago
@Mneedle
Mneedle said, “Do some research. Universal healthcare ALWAYS leads to rationing of healthcare. Look at Canada…..”
Yeah, DO some research. I’m Canadian and have NEVER had my health care rationed.
Now go and ignore the research and cling to your misconceptions.