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  1. Wraithkin

    Wraithkin said, over 3 years ago

    Nice to know that the POTUS can force Marines to violate standing orders and regulations because he can’t be bothered to hold an umbrella during a sprinkling. What a tool.

  2. Laura Pankey

    Laura Pankey said, over 3 years ago


    dipshit, that is their job, to protect the President. That’s their standing orders. To be by his side and do whatever needs to be done. He didn’t force them to do anything. You’re the tool.

  3. pirate227

    pirate227 said, over 3 years ago


    Now, what now?

  4. Wraithkin

    Wraithkin said, over 3 years ago

    @Laura Pankey

    Excuse you? Do you know anything about earning the privilege of wearing that uniform? Protect the president? From rain??? Do you have any concept of how ludicrous that sounds? By your jacked-up logic, if he wanted them to pick up after his dog or fetch his dry cleaning, they would. We are not his man-servants.

    Our job, as Marines, is to protect the US Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. It is not to be some pompous ass’ lapdog and answer to his every beck and call. That’s what the white-house staffers are for. His actions have disgraced the uniform and all the Marines who have come before us.

    Marine Corps Regulation 1040.43F specifically tells us that we are not permitted to use Umbrellas in Uniform. So I guess if we can ignore uniform regulations, we can just choose to ignore saluting him when he on- or off-boards from Marine 1. Or when he passes by. Or whatever. Because if he wants to ignore one reg, why not another one? Or all of them? He is so self-involved he doesn’t even consider the impact his actions have on others.

  5. Rockngolfer

    Rockngolfer said, over 3 years ago


    That is a good one.

  6. pirate227

    pirate227 said, over 3 years ago

    I’m sure that’s the “difference” that matters…

  7. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    I learned a long time ago in Viet Nam that while the Army, Navy ground forces are taught to think for themselves, Marines are trained to be mindless cannon fodder and do or/and die as they’re told. If that includes holding an umbrella over the President, so be it: note the Marine is still standing in the rain.

    A couple years ago, had a Marine come up to me, and shake my hand when he saw my crew wings and 1st Cav pin. Seems that on two, TWO occasions, Cav helicopters came in to pull them out of “hot spots” when the Marine choppers wouldn’t. Turns out in our discussion, I was on one of those Hueys at one hot LZ on one occasion. Don’t know if he got on my bird or not, but he was grateful the ARMY would take a risk his own would not.

    Saw a lot of good Marines wounded or killed because Marine officers were idiots. My experience, and observations of our involvements since, hasn’t changed my view of “the Corps”. I respect the courage of those who join as enlisted, but not those who by and large make up their officer corps.

  8. Wraithkin

    Wraithkin said, over 3 years ago

    In order.

    1) I am a Marine. I will always be a Marine. I’ve signed on the dotted line, and sworn the oath. Want proof? here. That’s me in 29 palms, CA in October of 2011 preparing for a deployment to Afghanistan, as part of OEF 12-1. Anything else you have to say?

    2) You are creating false situations that likely will never occur. Quit trying to make a strawman argument.

    3) The CIC is responsible for adhering to military regulations. If you are told to do something that is counter to an order, “Don’t salute the colors,” it is your responsibility to refuse those orders. Why? Because the regulations supersede direct orders given at the time. But you wouldn’t understand that, because you don’t have the guts to enlist.

    4) I’m quite certain that I am real. Though if you want to get into an existential debate, that would be a welcome change from your drivel.

    Pirate: Those are soldiers. Marines have a different set of regulations. We’re talking MCO’s here, not UCMJ Articles here. And yes. That difference does matter. A lot.

    @ Trout: A lot’s changed since vietnam. A lot. A lot of officers are still smart-assed tools, but things have gotten better. They’ve at least started listening to their Sergeants.

  9. Wraithkin

    Wraithkin said, over 3 years ago

    1) You clearly don’t understand the brotherhood. How could you? You’re just a civilian. I am past my time with the Marine Corps, but I will always be a Marine. Once a Marine, always a Marine.

    And I am working with my father for his business. He is teaching me to program so I can some day take that over for him. I, at the same time, am working as a claims adjuster. I also own my own business that is just starting up which will provide the programming services for my brother’s business, and he will inherit my father’s business when my father retires.

    2) Very well. Absurdum it is. It doesn’t change my argument: your comments bear no attachment to reality, thus are discarded.

    3) We don’t salute enemy colors, genius. We also don’t salute colors in the field. Again, you wouldn’t know that because you didn’t raise your right hand. Even the most boot-ass private would know this.

    So you sat, huddled in your house watching the TV. You sound like one of those that spat on the military’s uniforms when they were coming home after experiencing hell on earth. But keep telling yourself that you are a “balance” to the military industrial complex. What you fail to realize is that we, too, believe war should be a last resort. But we also believe that if you’re going to go to war, you better be prepared to win it.

    As to your “daddy’s house” comment, you are ignorant, and are passing judgement without knowing the full situation. As I mentioned above, I’m not living with my parents; I have a wife, two children, three dogs, and a bearded dragon. I own my home, and pay my own way. I will be taking a bigger risk in owning my own business than you likely have ever taken in your whole life.

    4) We’re amphibious warriors for a reason. If we’re getting rained on in our dress blues, we suck it up. If we’re in our MARPAT and it’s raining, we either suck it up or put on gortex. We have no need for an umbrella. Water is water, and it isn’t going to change a thing. I’ve performed funeral details for fallen Marines in the rain. I got wet. Oh well. There are worse things in life than getting wet. We have no use for umbrellas. Even in civies, I don’t use an umbrella.

  10. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    Wraithkin: a friend here in town had both her sons join the Marines because it was the “Macho” thing to do. Both were broken and disabled by idiot officers in the Corps, and both have been denied any benefits and double-crossed by SOP in the Corps. NO, nothing has changed. I would never advise a young person wanting to serve the country to join the Marines. Navy, Army, Air Force, yes, Marine Corps- never!

  11. pirate227

    pirate227 said, over 3 years ago

    I am US Navy veteran, officer.
    You’re welcome.

  12. pirate227

    pirate227 said, over 3 years ago

    You again show your ignorance.

  13. Wraithkin

    Wraithkin said, over 3 years ago

    Wow. Rage much?

    1) I can still put on my uniform and wear it in public. I’ve earned that title, thus I can wear it. But again, you wouldn’t know that. And I received an honorable discharge, with high marks at the end of my many years of service. And you can say I’m not a Marine, but that doesn’t make it true.

    I, however, bowed out and let the next generation of NCO’s take over for me because I had served my time and my body really wasn’t able to carry on. Two blown out shoulders, a back, and an ankle later, I do not feel that I should push it any further. As it is, I can’t throw a football or roughhouse with my boys without sharp pains. But, y’know, throw out your allegations all you want. Doesn’t make it true.

    2) Let’s clarify your ignorance a bit. I got out of college and went to work, for an independent (and large) organization — not my father. I was in the civilian sector, and found my current employer 10 years ago (a fortune 500 company, also not my father). I enlisted 2 years after that, in a program you may have heard of (the reserves) at the age of 26 (9 years ago, September of 2004 after 9/11). I had my wife and two children by this time. I then continued my work, and my duty as a Marine continued. At the age of 33, I dropped to the IRR and hung up my uniform for the above-mentioned reasons.

    Around that time, my father approached me and asked if I’d be interested in learning how to program. He said that he wanted me to take over that portion of the business for him. I agreed.

    By this time, my brother had started working for him and is now part owner, and will inherit the rest of the business from my father when my father retires.

    The job my “daddy” is providing is one of legacy, not one of dependency. I am actually going to be LOSING money going to work as his replacement (a 40% cut from my current salary).

    My business that I am starting up is one of software support for his business and other clients; it’s designed to provide legal protection and tax benefit. You probably don’t know that since you’re likely a sole proprietor or LLC. I say that because it sounds like you don’t take owners draw and issue yourself payroll, which is required as part of an S-Corp or C-Corp.

    To your last point: I don’t see how being on that detail is a desirable job. You stand there, opening the door for the most pompous ass to enter that building, and you salute someone who renders a half-assed solute while on his cell phone. No, I don’t have any respect for him, just as many of my brothers don’t. It’s stuff like this that draws our ire. We’re not his patsies. We are warriors. It’s that simple.

    Simply put, it’s not a detail many Marines want. They want Embassy duty, to be honest. Then the drill field. Then it’s this duty, and then it’s recruiting duty. If you look at the medals on the guys who are holding the umbrellas, they haven’t gone anywhere or done anything. In this day and age, two medals on a corporal means they have been garrison Marines their entire (short) careers.

    My comment on “being prepared to win the war” is directed at politicians getting involved in the war machine. Our RoE have gotten stupid because of politicians. That’s what I mean. Here’s an example:

    If an insurgent is shooting at you with his AK, you not only have to identify the insurgent who is shooting you, but you have to make sure he is going to be the only person hit. You can draw your weapon down on him, but if he drops his weapon, you no longer can shoot him because he’s now “Unarmed,” even though you just saw him shooting at you.

    Only in the world of politicians does that make sense, but that’s the whole “prepared to win” part I’m talking about. If he was shooting at you 3 seconds ago, you should have the clearance to shoot him so he can’t spray ‘n’ pray your troops again.

    And we were never in Iraq for the oil. Yeesh. You and the lunatic fringe need to get over that. And our victory has been eroded because idiots in Washington didn’t insist on a permanent US Military installation in their country, and Iran/Syria are allowed to meddle.

    We’re rebuilding because that’s what we did in Japan and they are now one of our closest allies.

    Vent, you are speaking with conjecture without any form of background experience. You speak from your ivory tower as if you know better than one who has served in the desert. You will always sleep peaceably at night because people like me stand ready in your stead. Your contempt for those who wear the uniform is blatantly obvious, and your vitriol will not deter us. Your opinion is rendered moot because you don’t have the capacity to understand us. As far as I’m concerned, this conversation is done.

    @ Trout: Not sure if this is a PM-capable board, but if you have them contact me, I may be able to help them out. I’ve navigated the VA system and know how cumbersome and much of a pain it is.

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