For Better or For Worse by Lynn Johnston

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  1. OpenWings

    OpenWings said, 2 months ago

    Sure, as long as I don’t have to talk to you, John! xD

  2. mroberts88

    mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

    Seems like she’s BEEN ready for a break.

  3. EarlWash

    EarlWash said, 2 months ago

    Barely started and she’s already ready for the quieting mad house at home!

  4. ladyfingers86

    ladyfingers86 said, 2 months ago

    Ellie is very professional. John should hire her full time. At least it’s a PAID job, and she seems to enjoy it.

  5. Anysia

    Anysia said, 2 months ago

    I think many are missing the point… her “Oh please” isn’t “Please let me take a break”, but more like “Oh please! This is nothing compared to home!”

  6. Carol1966

    Carol1966 said, 2 months ago

    Anysia is “spot on” …..glad to see someone else came away with my take;)

  7. WORDMAN33

    WORDMAN33 said, 2 months ago

    I read sarcasim in that Please

  8. Gigantor

    Gigantor said, 2 months ago

    That’s not the intention. Notice her eyes bugging out and no smile. She needs a break. Also, notice the ellipsis after “Oh…” indicating a pause. She’s stressed out from multitasking and having to say “please” all the time.

  9. Macushlalondra

    MacushlalondraGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    She seems to be enjoying herself. Maybe she’s not ready for a break yet. As for being paid we have not been informed as to whether or not John is going to pay her. I only have two words for him, HE’D BETTER!!

  10. lightenup

    lightenup said, 2 months ago

    I think she’s just thrilled to have adults to talk to who respond to the word “please”…

  11. Kay Fegette

    Kay FegetteGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    Gigantor - I am afraid I have to disagree with you. She is perfectly relaxed and happy all the while doing the office multitasking. It is John’s assumption that this is difficult and a burden to her by wondering if she is already swamped and needing a break shows that he has no comprehension of the life as a housewife and mother. I both worked and had the full responsibility of the home and kids and I do know full well which is the most demanding.

  12. ninmas

    ninmas said, 2 months ago

    i like panel 3 expression :)

  13. dianecliff

    dianecliff said, 2 months ago

    I don’t think John is assuming anything… he’s just asking if she wants a break yet. My boss does that too…. nothing is intended by it. I agree with Anysia, et.al, the “Oh please” is intended to convey that she doesn’t need one.

    John might be clueless, but he’s really not a bad guy. There are a lot worse husbands out there.

  14. rowena28

    rowena28Genius_badge said, 2 months ago

    How humiliating that she does not have a profession of her own & has to do the lowly secretarial work while John gets to be the big doctor. Ugh. I’d never settle for being a “Ms” if my husband were a “Dr.”, nor would I ever be his “assistant.” How demeaning for Elly!

  15. Burgundy2

    Burgundy2 said, 2 months ago

    Nice way of offending anyone who reads this and is a secretary, Rowena.

    Without secretaries, doctors would be lost. I would not consider them lowly.

  16. hookedoncomics

    hookedoncomics said, 2 months ago

    Good job Elly.

    Your right, it’s nothing compared to the multi-tasking you have to do at home.

  17. rowena28

    rowena28Genius_badge said, 2 months ago

    Don’t care about offending people. It’s more important to tell it like it is.

  18. Comic-Nut

    Comic-Nut said, 2 months ago

    Gotta wonder if Jon is really going to pay her … LOL!

  19. mroberts88

    mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

    To everyone who thinks she’s having a good time, she’s a secretary, its part of her job to be friendly. In the 4th panel, she looks like she’s ready to tear someones head off.

  20. Susan001

    Susan001 said, about 1 month ago

    It seems that Elly is NEVER satisfied, no matter what.

  21. JanCinVV

    JanCinVVGenius_badge said, about 1 month ago

    Rowena28: Just because you don’t like secretarial work (or in Ellie’s case - receptionist) doesn’t make it lowly or demeaning. I’m an accountant, and just because most people call me a bean-counter and don’t like working with numbers the way I enjoy it, doesn’t make my job boring, bad or lowly. As long as you enjoy your job, there’s nothing lowly or demeaning about it.

  22. EarlWash

    EarlWash said, about 1 month ago

    I don’t think I would care to be around you, Rowena. You take on the appearance of being an arrogant hard nosed controller. Thanks, but no thanks.

    Ever try being a little humble?

  23. rowena28

    rowena28Genius_badge said, about 1 month ago

    This isn’t a matter of opinion. The support staff are, in fact, beneath the people they support. They don’t command the same salaries, benefits, or professional respect. nor have the same educational requirements. Try going into a law firm and telling me the female legal secretaries aren’t beneath the female attorneys in the hierarchy. You will be disabused of that notion within 5 minutes!

    It’s as if you are saying that being the janitor in a university isn’t lowly or demeaning as compared to being a full professor with a doctorate. It is demeaning to clean toilets, just as it is to answer someone else’s phone & keep their calendar, as if they were more important than you, and their time more important than yours. A secretary is a professional extension of a housewife, the kind of woman who signs her name “Mrs. John Smith” because she has no legal or personal identity of her own after marriage. It is by its nature demeaning to be support staff.

    Again, this is fact, not my personal opinion only.

  24. bald 716

    bald 716 said, about 1 month ago

    wow, i think elly really likes working in johns office, and if you look at things, she is doing a lot less there than at home.

    i took 2 weeks off work and sent my wife back east to visit her family when i was living in california, after that 2 weeks, i had a whole new respect for her life and the things she did.

  25. yyyguy

    yyyguyGenius_badge said, about 1 month ago

    rowena, it seems you need an attitude adjustment.
    how can honest work be demeaning? if you do whatever you can do in order to support yourself, instead of sponging off the public in some way, that is always worthy of respect.
    and don’t read this as a put down of folks on welfare. i said, “do whatever you can do.” if you can’t do, that isn’t worthy of scorn either.

  26. homecookin_1900

    homecookin_1900 said, about 1 month ago

    rowena, up until the 20th century, being a secretary was mens work. I wouldn’t want to have told those men that they were “housewives”. Being a secretary was an honorable profession, it meant not having to do manual labor. Then, when the men went off to war, the women stepped up and filled those positions, as well as other jobs.
    You do have a big chip on your shoulder. No job has to be demeaning; it depends on the feelings of the person doing the job. Even John understands that EVERY one on his staff is important to getting the job done. If he answered his own phone and dealt with the insurance paperwork, then he could see very few patients. His receptionist is important, which is why he asked Ellie to fill in.
    Being a janitor is not demeaning, it is honest, worthy work. Get over yourself.

  27. camelsamba2

    camelsamba2 said, about 1 month ago

    My read: the “please” is emphasized because it’s in every single sentence she’s said up until then. And it’s a “YES PLEASE!” not a “i don’t need no stinkin’ break” sarcastic please.

  28. OakDragon

    OakDragon said, about 1 month ago

    So, Rowena, I’m a professional extension of a housewife?

    Like any ecosystem, a company or organization is a system. There are many roles to fill and each one is essential to the functioning of the organization. If everyone were at the top and no one existed to provide the day-to-day support and maintenance, the organization wouldn’t last long.

    With no janitors or support staff, a doctor’s office would not be able to last long with a full patient load.

  29. Burgundy2

    Burgundy2 said, about 1 month ago

    maybe we shouldn’t feed the cuisine challenged, bridge substructure symbiont.

  30. ldyhwkd

    ldyhwkdGenius_badge said, about 1 month ago

    Thank you to Burgundy & all those who defend the honor of us Secretaries/Receptionists/Assistants. I do not see my position as being in anyway lowly or demeaning. I am a valuable memeber of a team. While my role on the team may be different than others, it is still just as important. While the Right Guard may not get the praise (or pay) of the Quarterback, it doesn’t mean that he is less of a player, or any less important to the team.

  31. OpenWings

    OpenWings said, about 1 month ago

    rowena28 you need to seriously check where you’re getting your so-called ”facts” from. Just because YOU believe something to be fact, doesn’t automatically make it so!!

    I don’t recall seeing you on here before, at least not since I’ve been on here, yet you have managed in just one visit to portray yourself in a, shall we say, rather less than favorable light! It’s a shame.

    Maybe you should just move along, unless you plan on being a little less forceful with your opinions from now on. And yes, they ARE your opinions; they are not ”FACTS” like you keep insisting. You would do better to try to keep things in perspective, if you’re able to :o)

  32. Burgundy2

    Burgundy2 said, about 1 month ago

    @Idyhwkd happy to help. It is not that long ago that I was a receptionist myself. And I know from experience on the other side of the fence that hearing a live, intelligent person answer, as opposed to an automated system, makes a lot of difference.

    Anyhow, I’m not sure rowena28 is actually from this little place I affectionately call reality.

  33. Macushlalondra

    MacushlalondraGenius_badge said, about 1 month ago

    It’s all in how you get treated by those who are above you in the hierarchy. If they treat you like some menial you may end up getting that kind of impression about yourself even if you have a pretty good self image otherwise. I think being a receptionist or secretary would be a good job, you work in a nice clean environment and it seems pleasant enough. I’ve had worse jobs believe me, where people really do look upon you as some sort of slave.

  34. Macushlalondra

    MacushlalondraGenius_badge said, about 1 month ago

    It’s all in how you get treated by those who are above you in the hierarchy. If they treat you like some menial you may end up getting that kind of impression about yourself even if you have a pretty good self image otherwise. I think being a receptionist or secretary would be a good job, you work in a nice clean environment and it seems pleasant enough. I’ve had worse jobs believe me, where people really do look upon you as some sort of slave.

  35. Wolfdreamer250

    Wolfdreamer250 said, about 1 month ago

    Rowena, you are whats wrong with America. You sound like an elitist witch with a B. What ever happened to an honest days work for an honest day’s pay.

    whether a person is digging a ditch, flipping burgers, performing neonatal surgery, or running a country they should take pride in their work and what they do.

    I have known secretaries, janitors, lawyers, and doctors. Millionaires and people on welfare. I’ve lived, worked, gone on vacation with people of all walks of life. I’ve seen millionaires who I wouldn’t want to see again, and poor people whom seem wiser then Einstein. A person’s value is not based on their degree, profession, or their wealth, but instead on how they act. If you don’t know this by now, your just a sad person.

    As to the comic - I think she is feeling stressed.

  36. OpenWings

    OpenWings said, about 1 month ago

    Wolfdreamer250 Amen to that - great post :-)

  37. hildigunnur

    hildigunnurGenius_badge said, about 1 month ago

    My dentist’s wife is a very respected artist here but she often chips in at her husband’s office. Nothing whatsoever demeaning about it.

  38. Gigantor

    Gigantor said, about 1 month ago

    mroberts88,

    Exactly. I know some assistants in a medical office. They have to go through the day with smiles on their faces for the clients but if you see them behind the scenes, they’re often frazzled by all the duties. Come on, people. Are you sure you’ve actually read FBoFW for a while? Since when would a sarcastic “Oh, please!” be in character for Elly? The point of the strip is getting out of the house is not turning out to be as easy or fun as she thought it would be.

  39. Kay Fegette

    Kay FegetteGenius_badge said, about 1 month ago

    I have held many jobs including math/science high school teacher for 25 years, research biologist in biochemical genetics and molecular biology and twice as a secretary. I felt all my jobs were very worthwhile and actually my most prestigious (and best paid) one as a researcher was the one I would be least missed as a valuable contributor to the smooth functioning of the organization. I always get acquainted with all the service people wherever I work, as they are the ones that keep the organization moving smoothly and efficiently and the ones that are most indispensable.

  40. rowena28

    rowena28Genius_badge said, about 1 month ago

    Now wait a minute. I did not say that secretaries, janitors, etc., were not essential to the functioning of an organization; I said they don’t command respect for the work they do. If you think they do, then you are the one that needs a reality check.

    A real life example from reality: a pregnant secretary that I know at a law firm was surprised to discover that that she did not receive paid maternity leave. During her tenure there, she had seen numerous female attorneys go on maternity leave and she did not realize that different rules applied to secretaries. When she demanded it, they laughed at her. She quit.

    One could argue that teaching small children is an extremely important job for the good of society but it also is a job that commands little respect and low pay.

    I worked my way through college as an office temp & observed the office politics in many settings – law firms, insurance companies, architecture firms, banks, manufacturers, etc. I later had my own secretary during my career. I know whereof I speak.

  41. notinksanymore

    notinksanymore said, about 1 month ago

    Rowena 28–
    It saddens me that you do not respect your secretary. Plenty of other people do. It is people like you, who for some reason insist these people are not worthy of respect, that are the problem. Perhaps you should adjust your attitude and become part of the solution.

  42. notinksanymore

    notinksanymore said, about 1 month ago

    And before you argue that you do respect your secretary, consider this. If you respect her, then secretaries do command respect, and your argument is moot. The ignorant and bigoted should not represent the whole.

  43. Ash

    Ash said, about 1 month ago

    Rowena, one last thing. Just because her company did that to her doesn’t mean it’s right or that it’s that way everywhere. It’s a sad company that she worked for and not at all the role model of companies who value every employee. That attitude should stop and you should not continue to ooze its bad example here.