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For once I have a shred of respect for this strip: Today’s installment is a sublime commentary on the sense of alienation and stifling lack of freedom that any thinking woman experiences in a conventional marriage.
@Flight Suit… It is not the conventional marriage (and which ones are those?) it is going to a spouse’s work related event (does not matter which spouse!) and discovering you not only don’t really know anybody but also that the ones of your gender are discussing things that are frivolous/meaningless. Been there (both halves!) and have managed to not only make it through, but also find a few kindred souls to talk to eventually… just look for someone else trying to talk to a bird….:)
I see Elly listening, but thats all. Participation is what makes conversation. If one cannot add to the conversation, then find another or change the subject. Talking to a bird, because you aren’t participating with other people certainly won’t help your situation.
I agree with Devonshade. This is the woman who complained she missed human companionship, because she spent all day with her children. Now is her chance to talk to adults and she won’t even try.
Ellie,
I feel your pain!! This is how I feel when I have to go to my husband’s functions and I’m sure he feels the same way at mine. (I know nothing about manufacturing and he knows nothing about psychology-although he pretends to know)
More dangerous than not knowing and keeping you mouth shut. But I love him anyway!
Flight Suit - It’s really rather tacky to take an innocuous thing like this comic strip and use it as an excuse to express a strong opinion, apparently based on your own bad experience, that few here probably share (or want to hear). I admit I’m as likely to do the same as anyone else around here, though. Avolunteer - Good answer.
I can relate to this to some extent. Being a guy, I don’t want to talk “girl stuff,” but I’m usually not interested in the games / TV shows / etc. that the guys want to talk about either.
I’m with Miba. I have found that when I do find the women and try to bring talk along to things I like like video games, literature, history, the latest Mythbusters etc, I tend to bore them to death. As they bore me to death if they mention clothes or makeup/spas. You’d be amazed how little people have in common to discuss just because they’re women.
I’ve definitely been to parties like this. It’s tough when you don’t have anything much in common with anyone. Of course, sometimes it’s surprising what you do find to talk about!
Poor Elly looks like a deer caught in the headlights in Panel 5. I’m sure she’s feeling what any intelligent woman would feel when confronted with conversations about dental procedures, facials or mascara.
Flight suit: well said. (& notice that it appears that all of the dentists are male and the trailing spouses female - not one female dentist dragging her househusband along.)
Sadly, I feel this way when my husband and I get together with other couples. They all have kids, and we “were never blessed” Often the other ladies’conversation revolved around kids, school, soccer, etc. I would rather have gone to talk to a bird too.
Elly always is able to have conversations with Annie and Connie, so it isn’t that she’s not accustomed to adult company.
It’s just that she can’t relate to these people. The women, in particular, are so vain and shallow.
BTW, Burgundy2, I totally agree. I’m child-free by choice, and nothing bores me more than women who can’t talk about anything but their kids!
Masinadies - I’ll chat with you any time about Mythbusters, literature and history. I don’t really get into “girl” talk. Flightsuit - I’m a Librarian, wife, mother, musician, dancer and have a “conventional” marriage: I don’t feel trapped at all!
I also feel for Elli. My husband is retired and likes to go have breakfast with fellow retirees, I do not go.
If I ever wind up in a place where people gather and I am odd out. I would go by myself and read. I always have a book.
I know this is an old strip and I also think I remember this particular strip.
@Flight Suit, you put it very well. But you forgot about one situation that happened very rarely, because the situation didn’t arise too often: you didn’t have to be married, just a female carrying out a profession.
I worked for many years in the computer field, as a programmer/analyst. I joined various computer clubs and went to meetings, where there was a speaker, and afterwards people got together to talk and form connections. And nobody, I mean nobody, would speak to me. I didn’t know how to initiate a conversation, especially with people who were pretending I didn’t exist, so after awhile I stopped going.
Going to a party was only slightly different. You wanted to talk to the men, because you were interested in their technical discussions, but once again, they didn’t want to talk to you. The women were talking makeup, or babies, or they were in the kitchen helping to clean up (which no man was doing). It’s not that you didn’t want to talk about those topics, just not now. And if you didn’t come to help with the dishes, all the women would glare at you…
There was just nowhere for you to fit in. I hope that this has changed.
I suppose it was the same in other technical fields, such as medicine, architecture, engineering, science, and so on…
I have 2 kids and I’m a school teacher and I get sick to death of hearing about children! And I sure don’t want to hear about someone else’s hair and makeup either! To me “adult conversation” would have to do with science or art or literature (yes, I would love to talk about the latest episode of Mythbusters). However, I have yet to meet a bird that didn’t try to bite me, so I’d be stuck talking to the walls.
I feel that way right now actually. I’m at a large university that is more like a town than an actual campus. But I have yet to meet a single person with whom I can make an actual connection. My personality is somewhat on the darker, more realistic side and sitting down at a table where the hot topic of the day is how there isn’t anymore ketchup in the dispensers is simply unacceptable to me. I feel like Huey from the Boondocks. I’m surrounded by nothing but vapid, shallow morons who, despite having only known each other for two weeks, are already divvying up on who’s going to be sleeping with who. sigh Please, someone save me. I’ll be that kid in the DC sweater sitting in a corner reading Anne Rice. :)
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newworldmozart said, 2 months ago
someone is feeling left out.
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago
Its really sad when you dont know alot of peole, and have nothing to talk about with them.
ComicDetectiveDA said, 2 months ago
Cheer up, Elly-at least the bird will talk to you. That is, if the bird is a parrot and not some other type of bird.
Flight Suit
said,
2 months ago
For once I have a shred of respect for this strip: Today’s installment is a sublime commentary on the sense of alienation and stifling lack of freedom that any thinking woman experiences in a conventional marriage.
4deerinmyyard
said,
2 months ago
Birds. Feathers. Flocking.
Comic-Nut said, 2 months ago
Birds of a feather …. yup, 4deerinmyyard.
Avolunteer said, 2 months ago
@Flight Suit… It is not the conventional marriage (and which ones are those?) it is going to a spouse’s work related event (does not matter which spouse!) and discovering you not only don’t really know anybody but also that the ones of your gender are discussing things that are frivolous/meaningless. Been there (both halves!) and have managed to not only make it through, but also find a few kindred souls to talk to eventually… just look for someone else trying to talk to a bird….:)
Macushlalondra
said,
2 months ago
I love Elly’s hairstyle. But I’m sure she’s counting the minutes til she can go home.
Devonshade
said,
2 months ago
I see Elly listening, but thats all. Participation is what makes conversation. If one cannot add to the conversation, then find another or change the subject. Talking to a bird, because you aren’t participating with other people certainly won’t help your situation.
howtheduck said, 2 months ago
I agree with Devonshade. This is the woman who complained she missed human companionship, because she spent all day with her children. Now is her chance to talk to adults and she won’t even try.
bogeydog said, 2 months ago
Ellie,
I feel your pain!! This is how I feel when I have to go to my husband’s functions and I’m sure he feels the same way at mine. (I know nothing about manufacturing and he knows nothing about psychology-although he pretends to know)
More dangerous than not knowing and keeping you mouth shut. But I love him anyway!
plus4 said, 2 months ago
Flight Suit - It’s really rather tacky to take an innocuous thing like this comic strip and use it as an excuse to express a strong opinion, apparently based on your own bad experience, that few here probably share (or want to hear). I admit I’m as likely to do the same as anyone else around here, though. Avolunteer - Good answer.
I can relate to this to some extent. Being a guy, I don’t want to talk “girl stuff,” but I’m usually not interested in the games / TV shows / etc. that the guys want to talk about either.
Miba said, 2 months ago
I ALWAYS feel like that around people.
masnadies said, 2 months ago
I’m with Miba. I have found that when I do find the women and try to bring talk along to things I like like video games, literature, history, the latest Mythbusters etc, I tend to bore them to death. As they bore me to death if they mention clothes or makeup/spas. You’d be amazed how little people have in common to discuss just because they’re women.
kfaatz925 said, 2 months ago
I’ve definitely been to parties like this. It’s tough when you don’t have anything much in common with anyone. Of course, sometimes it’s surprising what you do find to talk about!
Doctor Toon
said,
2 months ago
I am rarely at a loss for something to say.
That doesn’t necessarily mean anyone wants to hear it.
JanCinVV
said,
2 months ago
Doc have you been reading my mind again?
catlady1
said,
2 months ago
Poor Elly looks like a deer caught in the headlights in Panel 5. I’m sure she’s feeling what any intelligent woman would feel when confronted with conversations about dental procedures, facials or mascara.
summerdog said, 2 months ago
I’m with catlady. Elly was looking forward to conversation with adults, and look what she gets!
Anyone else think that the guy welcoming them in, was Elly’s brother? Looks are similar.
SillyStuff said, 2 months ago
Try telling the tennis/golf set that you are a quilter… At least the bird isn’t judgemental.
stinkfoot said, 2 months ago
Ha,She needs to get out more.
nighthawks
said,
2 months ago
she can always read what’s on the bottom of the cage
Doctor Toon
said,
2 months ago
JanCinVV - I’ve been doing that a lot lately.
I’m psychic, or was that psychotic?
rowena28
said,
2 months ago
Flight suit: well said. (& notice that it appears that all of the dentists are male and the trailing spouses female - not one female dentist dragging her househusband along.)
ComicDetectiveDA said, 2 months ago
Is that Uncle Phil in the first panel?
Burgundy2 said, 2 months ago
Sadly, I feel this way when my husband and I get together with other couples. They all have kids, and we “were never blessed” Often the other ladies’conversation revolved around kids, school, soccer, etc. I would rather have gone to talk to a bird too.
comixavier said, 2 months ago
I guess Elly doesn’t speak Dentistese when at a dentist convention with John who already does know how to speak Dentistese.
Susan001 said, 2 months ago
Elly always is able to have conversations with Annie and Connie, so it isn’t that she’s not accustomed to adult company.
It’s just that she can’t relate to these people. The women, in particular, are so vain and shallow.
BTW, Burgundy2, I totally agree. I’m child-free by choice, and nothing bores me more than women who can’t talk about anything but their kids!
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago
Burgundy, I usually find the person whos standing alone, and talk to them.
Ronshua
said,
2 months ago
Bird’s of the same dribble , or a vary short flight .
dianecliff said, 2 months ago
Masinadies - I’ll chat with you any time about Mythbusters, literature and history. I don’t really get into “girl” talk. Flightsuit - I’m a Librarian, wife, mother, musician, dancer and have a “conventional” marriage: I don’t feel trapped at all!
kab2rb said, 2 months ago
I also feel for Elli. My husband is retired and likes to go have breakfast with fellow retirees, I do not go.
If I ever wind up in a place where people gather and I am odd out. I would go by myself and read. I always have a book.
I know this is an old strip and I also think I remember this particular strip.
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago
My conversation problem is, I like to talk about sports, guns, videogames, and history sometimes.
RinaFarina said, 2 months ago
@Flight Suit, you put it very well. But you forgot about one situation that happened very rarely, because the situation didn’t arise too often: you didn’t have to be married, just a female carrying out a profession.
I worked for many years in the computer field, as a programmer/analyst. I joined various computer clubs and went to meetings, where there was a speaker, and afterwards people got together to talk and form connections. And nobody, I mean nobody, would speak to me. I didn’t know how to initiate a conversation, especially with people who were pretending I didn’t exist, so after awhile I stopped going.
Going to a party was only slightly different. You wanted to talk to the men, because you were interested in their technical discussions, but once again, they didn’t want to talk to you. The women were talking makeup, or babies, or they were in the kitchen helping to clean up (which no man was doing). It’s not that you didn’t want to talk about those topics, just not now. And if you didn’t come to help with the dishes, all the women would glare at you…
There was just nowhere for you to fit in. I hope that this has changed.
I suppose it was the same in other technical fields, such as medicine, architecture, engineering, science, and so on…
RinaFarina said, 2 months ago
@summerdog, I remember how Ellie’s brother looks pretty well, and I don’t think this is him.
RinaFarina said, 2 months ago
@dianecliff, musician?? dancer?? I’ll talk to you!! I’ll listen to you!! I love music!!
ejcapulet
said,
2 months ago
I have 2 kids and I’m a school teacher and I get sick to death of hearing about children! And I sure don’t want to hear about someone else’s hair and makeup either! To me “adult conversation” would have to do with science or art or literature (yes, I would love to talk about the latest episode of Mythbusters). However, I have yet to meet a bird that didn’t try to bite me, so I’d be stuck talking to the walls.
hildigunnur
said,
2 months ago
RinaFarina, this HAS changed - around here at least.
jadeddragon212 said, 2 months ago
I feel that way right now actually. I’m at a large university that is more like a town than an actual campus. But I have yet to meet a single person with whom I can make an actual connection. My personality is somewhat on the darker, more realistic side and sitting down at a table where the hot topic of the day is how there isn’t anymore ketchup in the dispensers is simply unacceptable to me. I feel like Huey from the Boondocks. I’m surrounded by nothing but vapid, shallow morons who, despite having only known each other for two weeks, are already divvying up on who’s going to be sleeping with who. sigh Please, someone save me. I’ll be that kid in the DC sweater sitting in a corner reading Anne Rice. :)
Stuart Gathman said, 2 months ago
I’m a guy, and that is what always happens to me at social events. Small talk always seems so pointless and meaningless to me.