Lalo Alcaraz by Lalo Alcaraz

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  1. Kylop

    Kylop said, 1 day ago

    The drawing looks crisp

  2. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 said, 1 day ago

    There is -of course- a lot of controversy on this subject. There is a faily good article at this site.
    http://thefurtrapper.com/indian_smallpox.htm

    Generally, it says that us white guys brought it over and it spread during the normal course of events. Native americans had no natural immunity and so it was bad bad bad for them.

    There is some evidence that two blankets and a handkerchief infected with smallpox were given to the Delawares during the siege of ft. pitt in 1763 by the british. So the cartoon could be fairly accurate.

    Wikipedia also has a good write up on smallpox that mentions this event as well.

    there were a couple of pages of response on bing so read up before you start blaming bush for this

  3. believecommonsense

    believecommonsenseGenius_badge said, 1 day ago

    … all the worst recorded treacheries were instigated by the Indians, NOT the settlers.

    you truly frighten me, there are no limits to the lies you’re willing to espouse to promote your view of how the world was, is and should be.

  4. ANandy

    ANandy said, 1 day ago

    It’s Bush’s fault.
    If they want a real gripe, it’s being wards of the nanny state, where we’re all headed.

  5. dtroutma

    dtroutma said, 1 day ago

    The cartoon is accurate, and understated. A review of the later 1760’s and the “Indian Wars” with vast atrocities coming down on the native populations by those “kindly” Europeans, French, English, German and others is an exception only with the Quakers, who those other kind Europeans also attacked.

  6. scottfreitas

    scottfreitasGenius_badge said, 1 day ago

    Lol @ “believes.” Like your messiah Barack Osama, you believe all the verifiable hogwash you’ve been spoonfed in government schools.

    The Indian cultures were not bound by Christian restraint. They warred among each other by varying degress same as ALL primitive tribal societies always have.

    You leftists try to elevate all the Godless, savage societies of the past into being superior morally to us. You portray them as being innocent victims, ignoring the grotesque brutality they so consistently displayed toward American settlers.

    The amount of innocent families brutally tortured and murdered by various Indian tribes is well documented. You can lie all you want, but the writings EXIST. the graves of the dead EXIST. The historical records of the many thousands of setllers murdered by Indians EXISTS.

    There’s a reason the US eventually unilaterally declared war on the Indians. There’s a reason the US military built so many frontier forts. SORRY YOUR BRAINWASHED MIND CANT DEAL WITH ANY OF THAT.

    I’m not joining you little girly-men in worshipping or elevating primitive tribal societies to a status their actions and worldviews do not deserve. Boohoo, don’t cry for me San Francisco.

    You’re such intellectual hypocrites you make me mentally vomit.

    Try reading old American nonfiction books like the 1682 “A Narrative of the Captivity and Restoration of Mrs. Mary Rowlandson” and get back to me on your “brave and noble” Indians…. (rolls eyes)

  7. tpenna

    tpennaGenius_badge said, 1 day ago

    scottfreitas, is that “Christian restraint” the same restraint that you’ve shown in your multiple posts on these pages eagerly calling for a bloody civil war against any and all liberals in America?

    That “Christian restraint”?

    Yeah, no thanks. We don’t want what you’re selling. Try down the street at Fox News. I hear they’re pretty gullible.

  8. tpenna

    tpennaGenius_badge said, 1 day ago

    I mean, GOOD LORD!

    People keep telling me that they just skip past your posts because they already know you’re hopelessly misinformed and nasty to boot. But I really want everybody in America to be able to read your splenetic rants. Perhaps if we could all get a good look at such unmitigated hatred, we’d be shocked enough to start acting more decently toward one another.

  9. Warrior77

    Warrior77 said, 1 day ago

    Today different tribes of Native Americans still hate other Native American tribes.

    They really hate the African Americans that are on there roles and getting there tribal benefits.
    This was done due to the Native Americans had slaves.

    They also love there casinos. It makes them a lot of money from the white man.

  10. NoFearPup

    NoFearPupGenius_badge said, 1 day ago

    Another cheery ‘Toon from the Latino-American-Lib.

  11. HUMPHRIES

    HUMPHRIESGenius_badge said, 1 day ago

    Another BS “lib” blast by the poopy.

  12. NoFearPup

    NoFearPupGenius_badge said, 1 day ago

    I believe combining commentary on a dubious health care reform bill with the “rumor” of infected blankets given to Plains Indians in the late 1800’s AND then to further combine those issues with the historical Pilgrim celebration of a thanksgiving to God for their blessings after their trip across the Atlantic is indeed evidence of an extreme ideological bias on the part of the cartoonist. But at least this one is also “crisp” as kylop stated afore.

  13. hank197857

    hank197857Genius_badge said, 1 day ago

    you guys remind me of that one public service announcement that was out a few decades ago - the one with the tear rolling down the face of some native american guy. this time, however, he’d be lamenting all the pollution posted here and elsewhere. sad.

  14. scottfreitas

    scottfreitasGenius_badge said, about 23 hours ago

    They didn’t refute any of the facts I presented because they CAN’T. The Indians were NOT the quiet, peaceful, intelligent heroes the libtards of today claim.

    This is why I so despise the Left, and have nothing but contempt for them. They cannot THINK. They cannot accept reality, or deal with facts. Their favorite tactic is to call Evil, Good… and Good, Evil.

    It is easy to verify that many thousands of settler families were murdered by Indians. It is easy to verify that the US military built frontier forts primarily to try and prevent settlers from being slaughtered by Indians.

    Ooooh, such BRAVE warriors they were! To descend upon a log cabin occupied by a lone family, and brutally butcher them. Sometimes they would take the woman and / or kids away as slaves, or to be tortured and killed back at their villages.

    I LAUGH at these little girlish Leftists who cannot DEAL with these historical facts. Such a wonderful job the publik skewls do to their minds! Gotta love “indoctrination” masquerading as education…

  15. michael

    michaelGenius_badge said, about 23 hours ago

    “The Indians were NOT the quiet, peaceful, intelligent heroes the libtards of today claim.”

    Stop putting everything in terms of modern political stereotypes– it doesn’t fit.

    Yes, some indians were warlike and attacked other tribes and white settlers. Others didn’t. The US was also cruel at times, not simply defending, but actively murdering entire families of indians.

    The backdrop of all this was an invasion of by modern standards lightly populated lands– any time you’ve got two societies vying for the same natural resources there’s going to be violent conflict.

  16. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 said, about 23 hours ago

    Jeezes michael, root cause it why don’cha. The problem with reading historical accounts is that it was usually the victor that gets to write (or re-write) history. It’s good to peruse the past via original documents. It’s also good to have an underrstanding of basic human nature (thanks michael). The more you point to supposed differences in the saperate groups the more you show them to be the same. Whe’re ALL of ONE race - the human race. Like all dogs are dogs and all cats are cats and so on and on- and tend to react to stimuli in the same ways.

    Yes, scott a lot of the “invaders” were fleeing religious intorerance (government saying you had to be part of the state religion of face sanctions) and didn’t know or care to know that they were intorerant as well. That problem still exists in this country with many denominations saying they have the only true religion and all others are bound for hell.

    So, was biological warfare conducted on the native peoples in this hemisphere? The “historical” documents tend to indicate that it was true in at least one case. BUT you can’t know for sure unless you were there (see above).

  17. DrCanuck

    DrCanuck said, about 21 hours ago

    scottfeitas: where are the 25 million Native Americans that populated North America at the time of Columbus?

  18. Corosive Frog

    Corosive Frog said, about 21 hours ago

    Christian restraint may be real, in theory, but it is naive to think all christians practised it. Religions may be different, people are not.

  19. churchillwasright

    churchillwasright said, about 21 hours ago

    I recently watched ”The Story of Louis Pasteur”. While the movie was made in 1935, some comments from biology teachers on IMDB say the story is so historically accurate, they show it to their students.

    In any case, according to the movie, although scientists in the mid 1800s could see viruses and bacteria through their microscopes, none of them (except Pasteur) believed that anything so small could lead to sickness and death in humans or animals. So they refused to sterilize medical equipment (or even their hands) and wouldn’t accept his theories on how infections spread and immunization (much of this was because of peer and political pressure and ridicule). If I recall correctly, it wasn’t until the late 1800s that his theories were accepted.

    So my question to any medical historians out there: I know that we infected Indians with smallpox by giving them infected blankets and they had no natural immunization, but how much did we know about how infections spread, did we know anything about natural immunization at the time,and did we do it on purpose or was it an unfortunate accident that we didn’t even understand but that historians with an agenda glibly say was mass murder?

  20. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 said, about 20 hours ago

    Doc, they’re dead ‘cause europeans brought all those nasty germs over and they had no resistance. It’s why Cpt. Kirk ALWAYS performs bio scans and uses bio filters before beaming up/down from places no man has gone before…..

  21. Norman

    NormanGenius_badge said, about 20 hours ago

    More like O bozo’s health care.

  22. DrCanuck

    DrCanuck said, about 19 hours ago

    Bruce; so it has nothing to do with the American cavalry leading the way for the settlers?

    What does the word “genocide” mean to you? Ethnic cleansing? How about “American Holocaust”?

  23. Magnaut

    MagnautGenius_badge said, about 19 hours ago

    it was in parallel and cooperation with the canadian destruction of the native populations

  24. tpenna

    tpennaGenius_badge said, about 18 hours ago

    Oh! Well, that changes everything!

    As long as it was two countries engaging in the wholesale slaughter of indigenous peoples (including women, children, and the elderly) by means of military conquest, forced resettlement, reneged treaties, and destruction of vital resources, then it’s no problem.

    Now I see your point!

    … … … …

    No, wait a minute. Maybe I don’t so much. So exactly how does that excuse early US policies toward Native Americans, again?

  25. scottfreitas

    scottfreitasGenius_badge said, about 18 hours ago

    Why do you lefties harp on this issue, when literally every landmass on Earth is replete with the same stories?

    Advanced civilizations moving into new areas will never be content to stand around idly and allow the less-advanced ones to occupy all the land and control all the resources. Never happened before in all of human history.

    Welcome to sin nature. Now, GROW UP.

    Funny how it was AMERICA which pioneered the concept of no longer conquering countries by force, but liberating them instead. No other culture–not even the Europeans–ever did that. Yet from the start of WW1 onward, it’s been standard US policy.

    And don’t start lying about Iraq etc, because we did not CONQUER those countries. We did exactly the opposite: we first freed them from despotism, then helped them construct a functioning (albeit clumsily, due to the Muslim mindset) democracy. Same thing we’re trying to do in Afganhistan

    You lefties need to stop lying and distorting the truth, and accept reality for what it IS.

  26. tpenna

    tpennaGenius_badge said, about 17 hours ago

    “Advanced civilizations”, eh? Those are the ones with the more effective weapons, right scottfreitas?

    And I see that you’re of the “sin boldly” school of Christian theology. Of course, I doubt Martin Luther meant for you to endorse sinful behavior (such as genocide) as you just did.

    Rather, Luther’s statement was that of a man who had spent the majority of his life desperately concerned that he wasn’t living up to Christ’s standards of perfect love and justice. As he developed his theory of grace, he came to see that we simply couldn’t avoid falling short.

    But Luther never conceived that this would be a license to completely abandon God’s commands involving love and justice, as your previous post seems to affirm.

  27. MaxStarmanJones

    MaxStarmanJones said, about 17 hours ago

    Lalo Alcaraz has to be the most ignorant, uninformed, inflammatory political cartoonist that is allowed to post. If he had the last name “Smith,” his comics wouldn’t even make the local paper.

  28. dtroutma

    dtroutma said, about 15 hours ago

    Scooter reads used toilet paper as his “documentation”.

  29. fennec

    fennec said, about 15 hours ago

    http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200203/mann
    This is a link to a summary of Mann’s book written by Mann himself.
    The whole book, “1491”, is a scholarly summation of current research and thinking in the field. Controversies are discussed with alternate views given. About 1/3 of the book is bibliography, so be warned. It can be heavy going, but I found it worth the effort. Took me two readings to get a good grasp of it. (I do NOT expect certain posters on this forum to look even at the summary…it would be too disruptive of their world views.)

  30. fennec

    fennec said, about 14 hours ago

    BTW: the concept of mathematical zero was known to the Mayans about the same time as it was in India. I believe it took almost another millenium to get through to the Europeans…

  31. DrCanuck

    DrCanuck said, about 13 hours ago

    Magnaut said: “It was in parallel and cooperation with the canadian destruction of the native populations.”

    DrCanuck agrees: I make no excuses for early Canadian treatment of its First Nations peoples. With one caveat: Nunavut.

  32. fennec

    fennec said, about 11 hours ago

    Just read church’s question about the knowledge of the early settlers on infection. While it is clear that the mechanism of infection was not understood, nonetheless, the quarantines during the Black Death certainly indicates that the Europeans had some understanding of it. Nonetheless, they could not have known that the indigenous American populations would be so susceptible…until a bit of time had passed. Then I think they saw and to some extent knew what they were doing. Unfortunately, the main effect of contact had already destroyed the societies and the knowledge about and by them was lost. Look into the scraps of information about the schools of philosophy in the Aztec nation for an idea of how much was lost. Finally, consider that the Iroquois Federation is one of the oldest democracies still existing in the world today.

  33. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 said, about 11 hours ago

    Doc, you’re not listening. You believe the unconfirmed reports of that. And, as I know where there’s smoke there’s fire so an “honest intellectual” would have to conclude that they is some element of truth to the fact that the US Calvary let the way with a scorch and burn policy. Nobody denies the fact that our ancestors (yours as well doc) were ruthless in thier conquest. It would have been just great if there had been enought progressive thinkers at that time to control what was going on. The immigrants needed room to expand, a foothold had been established there were better armed, more mobile more numerous and single minded. That’s fact but you can’t change it. It in the past. Time and it’s events are one way liner. So if your going to survive today you better more forward and take action.

    don’t tell me that people don’t have the same opportunities and the same choices. they are there you just have to decide to use and take advantage of them. OR you can bleeep and complain and wait for someone else to give you what they think you need. Do that. You’ll never be satisfied. You’ll always think you deserve more.

    You also need to learn the rules and how to use them to your advantage. The seminole tribes in FL have seen there oil well. It’s the white mans greed and they had tapped it deeply. And I say good for them.

  34. TrueIllumination

    TrueIllumination said, about 10 hours ago

    Scurrilous Scott Speaks Sick Lies

  35. DrCanuck

    DrCanuck said, about 8 hours ago

    Bruce; I’ve read your post three times and I still have no idea what you’re trying to say.

  36. NoFearPup

    NoFearPupGenius_badge said, about 8 hours ago

    Lib-fact: “Then I think they saw and to some extent knew what they were doing.”

    I watched a good HBO movie which captured some of the political realities of a new Republic dealing with autonomous indigenous peoples, Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.

  37. NoFearPup

    NoFearPupGenius_badge said, about 7 hours ago

    Scott, one Lib here even impugned the Monroe Doctrine; which I believe began the concept of the third world being off limits to colonial exploitation (whether or not it excused exploitation by the U.S.)

  38. 4uk4ata

    4uk4ata said, about 4 hours ago

    Rather, it was off-limit to “colonial” exploitation by European states, thus a US sphere of influence.

    In other words, it basically said - ours, not yours.

  39. cabrobst

    cabrobst said, 32 minutes ago

    Yes, the immigrants committed genocide against the Native Americans. And for that their descendants, including myself, are profoundly sorry.
    This is a fact of history as clearly documented as the Holocaust, and only a bigot would deny it.