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Kylop said, 3 days ago

The drawing looks crisp
Bruce4671 said, 3 days ago

There is -of course- a lot of controversy on this subject. There is a faily good article at this site.
http://thefurtrapper.com/indian_smallpox.htm

Generally, it says that us white guys brought it over and it spread during the normal course of events. Native americans had no natural immunity and so it was bad bad bad for them.

There is some evidence that two blankets and a handkerchief infected with smallpox were given to the Delawares during the siege of ft. pitt in 1763 by the british. So the cartoon could be fairly accurate.

Wikipedia also has a good write up on smallpox that mentions this event as well.

there were a couple of pages of response on bing so read up before you start blaming bush for this
believecommonsense said, 3 days ago

… all the worst recorded treacheries were instigated by the Indians, NOT the settlers.

you truly frighten me, there are no limits to the lies you’re willing to espouse to promote your view of how the world was, is and should be.
ANandy said, 3 days ago

It’s Bush’s fault.
If they want a real gripe, it’s being wards of the nanny state, where we’re all headed.
dtroutma said, 3 days ago

The cartoon is accurate, and understated. A review of the later 1760’s and the “Indian Wars” with vast atrocities coming down on the native populations by those “kindly” Europeans, French, English, German and others is an exception only with the Quakers, who those other kind Europeans also attacked.
scottfreitas said, 3 days ago

Lol @ “believes.” Like your messiah Barack Osama, you believe all the verifiable hogwash you’ve been spoonfed in government schools.

The Indian cultures were not bound by Christian restraint. They warred among each other by varying degress same as ALL primitive tribal societies always have.

You leftists try to elevate all the Godless, savage societies of the past into being superior morally to us. You portray them as being innocent victims, ignoring the grotesque brutality they so consistently displayed toward American settlers.

The amount of innocent families brutally tortured and murdered by various Indian tribes is well documented. You can lie all you want, but the writings EXIST. the graves of the dead EXIST. The historical records of the many thousands of setllers murdered by Indians EXISTS.

There’s a reason the US eventually unilaterally declared war on the Indians. There’s a reason the US military built so many frontier forts. SORRY YOUR BRAINWASHED MIND CANT DEAL WITH ANY OF THAT.

I’m not joining you little girly-men in worshipping or elevating primitive tribal societies to a status their actions and worldviews do not deserve. Boohoo, don’t cry for me San Francisco.

You’re such intellectual hypocrites you make me mentally vomit.

Try reading old American nonfiction books like the 1682 “A Narrative of the Captivity and Restoration of Mrs. Mary Rowlandson” and get back to me on your “brave and noble” Indians…. (rolls eyes)
tpenna said, 3 days ago

scottfreitas, is that “Christian restraint” the same restraint that you’ve shown in your multiple posts on these pages eagerly calling for a bloody civil war against any and all liberals in America?

That “Christian restraint”?

Yeah, no thanks. We don’t want what you’re selling. Try down the street at Fox News. I hear they’re pretty gullible.
tpenna said, 3 days ago

I mean, GOOD LORD!

People keep telling me that they just skip past your posts because they already know you’re hopelessly misinformed and nasty to boot. But I really want everybody in America to be able to read your splenetic rants. Perhaps if we could all get a good look at such unmitigated hatred, we’d be shocked enough to start acting more decently toward one another.
Warrior77 said, 3 days ago

Today different tribes of Native Americans still hate other Native American tribes.

They really hate the African Americans that are on there roles and getting there tribal benefits.
This was done due to the Native Americans had slaves.

They also love there casinos. It makes them a lot of money from the white man.
NoFearPup said, 2 days ago

Another cheery ‘Toon from the Latino-American-Lib.
HUMPHRIES said, 2 days ago

Another BS “lib” blast by the poopy.
NoFearPup said, 2 days ago

I believe combining commentary on a dubious health care reform bill with the “rumor” of infected blankets given to Plains Indians in the late 1800’s AND then to further combine those issues with the historical Pilgrim celebration of a thanksgiving to God for their blessings after their trip across the Atlantic is indeed evidence of an extreme ideological bias on the part of the cartoonist. But at least this one is also “crisp” as kylop stated afore.
hank197857 said, 2 days ago

you guys remind me of that one public service announcement that was out a few decades ago - the one with the tear rolling down the face of some native american guy. this time, however, he’d be lamenting all the pollution posted here and elsewhere. sad.
scottfreitas said, 2 days ago

They didn’t refute any of the facts I presented because they CAN’T. The Indians were NOT the quiet, peaceful, intelligent heroes the libtards of today claim.

This is why I so despise the Left, and have nothing but contempt for them. They cannot THINK. They cannot accept reality, or deal with facts. Their favorite tactic is to call Evil, Good… and Good, Evil.

It is easy to verify that many thousands of settler families were murdered by Indians. It is easy to verify that the US military built frontier forts primarily to try and prevent settlers from being slaughtered by Indians.

Ooooh, such BRAVE warriors they were! To descend upon a log cabin occupied by a lone family, and brutally butcher them. Sometimes they would take the woman and / or kids away as slaves, or to be tortured and killed back at their villages.

I LAUGH at these little girlish Leftists who cannot DEAL with these historical facts. Such a wonderful job the publik skewls do to their minds! Gotta love “indoctrination” masquerading as education…
michael said, 2 days ago

“The Indians were NOT the quiet, peaceful, intelligent heroes the libtards of today claim.”

Stop putting everything in terms of modern political stereotypes– it doesn’t fit.

Yes, some indians were warlike and attacked other tribes and white settlers. Others didn’t. The US was also cruel at times, not simply defending, but actively murdering entire families of indians.

The backdrop of all this was an invasion of by modern standards lightly populated lands– any time you’ve got two societies vying for the same natural resources there’s going to be violent conflict.
Bruce4671 said, 2 days ago

Jeezes michael, root cause it why don’cha. The problem with reading historical accounts is that it was usually the victor that gets to write (or re-write) history. It’s good to peruse the past via original documents. It’s also good to have an underrstanding of basic human nature (thanks michael). The more you point to supposed differences in the saperate groups the more you show them to be the same. Whe’re ALL of ONE race - the human race. Like all dogs are dogs and all cats are cats and so on and on- and tend to react to stimuli in the same ways.

Yes, scott a lot of the “invaders” were fleeing religious intorerance (government saying you had to be part of the state religion of face sanctions) and didn’t know or care to know that they were intorerant as well. That problem still exists in this country with many denominations saying they have the only true religion and all others are bound for hell.

So, was biological warfare conducted on the native peoples in this hemisphere? The “historical” documents tend to indicate that it was true in at least one case. BUT you can’t know for sure unless you were there (see above).
DrCanuck said, 2 days ago

scottfeitas: where are the 25 million Native Americans that populated North America at the time of Columbus?
Sooky Rottweiler's ... said, 2 days ago

Christian restraint may be real, in theory, but it is naive to think all christians practised it. Religions may be different, people are not.
churchillwasright said, 2 days ago

I recently watched ”The Story of Louis Pasteur”. While the movie was made in 1935, some comments from biology teachers on IMDB say the story is so historically accurate, they show it to their students.

In any case, according to the movie, although scientists in the mid 1800s could see viruses and bacteria through their microscopes, none of them (except Pasteur) believed that anything so small could lead to sickness and death in humans or animals. So they refused to sterilize medical equipment (or even their hands) and wouldn’t accept his theories on how infections spread and immunization (much of this was because of peer and political pressure and ridicule). If I recall correctly, it wasn’t until the late 1800s that his theories were accepted.

So my question to any medical historians out there: I know that we infected Indians with smallpox by giving them infected blankets and they had no natural immunization, but how much did we know about how infections spread, did we know anything about natural immunization at the time,and did we do it on purpose or was it an unfortunate accident that we didn’t even understand but that historians with an agenda glibly say was mass murder?
Bruce4671 said, 2 days ago

Doc, they’re dead ‘cause europeans brought all those nasty germs over and they had no resistance. It’s why Cpt. Kirk ALWAYS performs bio scans and uses bio filters before beaming up/down from places no man has gone before…..
Norman said, 2 days ago

More like O bozo’s health care.
DrCanuck said, 2 days ago

Bruce; so it has nothing to do with the American cavalry leading the way for the settlers?

What does the word “genocide” mean to you? Ethnic cleansing? How about “American Holocaust”?
Magnaut said, 2 days ago

it was in parallel and cooperation with the canadian destruction of the native populations
tpenna said, 2 days ago

Oh! Well, that changes everything!

As long as it was two countries engaging in the wholesale slaughter of indigenous peoples (including women, children, and the elderly) by means of military conquest, forced resettlement, reneged treaties, and destruction of vital resources, then it’s no problem.

Now I see your point!

… … … …

No, wait a minute. Maybe I don’t so much. So exactly how does that excuse early US policies toward Native Americans, again?
scottfreitas said, 2 days ago

Why do you lefties harp on this issue, when literally every landmass on Earth is replete with the same stories?

Advanced civilizations moving into new areas will never be content to stand around idly and allow the less-advanced ones to occupy all the land and control all the resources. Never happened before in all of human history.

Welcome to sin nature. Now, GROW UP.

Funny how it was AMERICA which pioneered the concept of no longer conquering countries by force, but liberating them instead. No other culture–not even the Europeans–ever did that. Yet from the start of WW1 onward, it’s been standard US policy.

And don’t start lying about Iraq etc, because we did not CONQUER those countries. We did exactly the opposite: we first freed them from despotism, then helped them construct a functioning (albeit clumsily, due to the Muslim mindset) democracy. Same thing we’re trying to do in Afganhistan

You lefties need to stop lying and distorting the truth, and accept reality for what it IS.
tpenna said, 2 days ago

“Advanced civilizations”, eh? Those are the ones with the more effective weapons, right scottfreitas?

And I see that you’re of the “sin boldly” school of Christian theology. Of course, I doubt Martin Luther meant for you to endorse sinful behavior (such as genocide) as you just did.

Rather, Luther’s statement was that of a man who had spent the majority of his life desperately concerned that he wasn’t living up to Christ’s standards of perfect love and justice. As he developed his theory of grace, he came to see that we simply couldn’t avoid falling short.

But Luther never conceived that this would be a license to completely abandon God’s commands involving love and justice, as your previous post seems to affirm.
MaxStarmanJones said, 2 days ago

Lalo Alcaraz has to be the most ignorant, uninformed, inflammatory political cartoonist that is allowed to post. If he had the last name “Smith,” his comics wouldn’t even make the local paper.
dtroutma said, 2 days ago

Scooter reads used toilet paper as his “documentation”.
fennec said, 2 days ago

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200203/mann
This is a link to a summary of Mann’s book written by Mann himself.
The whole book, “1491”, is a scholarly summation of current research and thinking in the field. Controversies are discussed with alternate views given. About 1/3 of the book is bibliography, so be warned. It can be heavy going, but I found it worth the effort. Took me two readings to get a good grasp of it. (I do NOT expect certain posters on this forum to look even at the summary…it would be too disruptive of their world views.)
fennec said, 2 days ago

BTW: the concept of mathematical zero was known to the Mayans about the same time as it was in India. I believe it took almost another millenium to get through to the Europeans…
DrCanuck said, 2 days ago

Magnaut said: “It was in parallel and cooperation with the canadian destruction of the native populations.”

DrCanuck agrees: I make no excuses for early Canadian treatment of its First Nations peoples. With one caveat: Nunavut.
fennec said, 2 days ago

Just read church’s question about the knowledge of the early settlers on infection. While it is clear that the mechanism of infection was not understood, nonetheless, the quarantines during the Black Death certainly indicates that the Europeans had some understanding of it. Nonetheless, they could not have known that the indigenous American populations would be so susceptible…until a bit of time had passed. Then I think they saw and to some extent knew what they were doing. Unfortunately, the main effect of contact had already destroyed the societies and the knowledge about and by them was lost. Look into the scraps of information about the schools of philosophy in the Aztec nation for an idea of how much was lost. Finally, consider that the Iroquois Federation is one of the oldest democracies still existing in the world today.
Bruce4671 said, 2 days ago

Doc, you’re not listening. You believe the unconfirmed reports of that. And, as I know where there’s smoke there’s fire so an “honest intellectual” would have to conclude that they is some element of truth to the fact that the US Calvary let the way with a scorch and burn policy. Nobody denies the fact that our ancestors (yours as well doc) were ruthless in thier conquest. It would have been just great if there had been enought progressive thinkers at that time to control what was going on. The immigrants needed room to expand, a foothold had been established there were better armed, more mobile more numerous and single minded. That’s fact but you can’t change it. It in the past. Time and it’s events are one way liner. So if your going to survive today you better more forward and take action.

don’t tell me that people don’t have the same opportunities and the same choices. they are there you just have to decide to use and take advantage of them. OR you can bleeep and complain and wait for someone else to give you what they think you need. Do that. You’ll never be satisfied. You’ll always think you deserve more.

You also need to learn the rules and how to use them to your advantage. The seminole tribes in FL have seen there oil well. It’s the white mans greed and they had tapped it deeply. And I say good for them.
TrueIllumination said, 2 days ago

Scurrilous Scott Speaks Sick Lies
DrCanuck said, 2 days ago

Bruce; I’ve read your post three times and I still have no idea what you’re trying to say.
NoFearPup said, 2 days ago

Lib-fact: “Then I think they saw and to some extent knew what they were doing.”

I watched a good HBO movie which captured some of the political realities of a new Republic dealing with autonomous indigenous peoples, Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.
NoFearPup said, 2 days ago

Scott, one Lib here even impugned the Monroe Doctrine; which I believe began the concept of the third world being off limits to colonial exploitation (whether or not it excused exploitation by the U.S.)
4uk4ata said, 1 day ago

Rather, it was off-limit to “colonial” exploitation by European states, thus a US sphere of influence.

In other words, it basically said - ours, not yours.
cabrobst said, 1 day ago

Yes, the immigrants committed genocide against the Native Americans. And for that their descendants, including myself, are profoundly sorry.
This is a fact of history as clearly documented as the Holocaust, and only a bigot would deny it.
Lalo Alcaraz said, 1 day ago

Wow! I thought users wrote alot on my dailies, but yeeehaw! There sure is alot of activity- and BS- here! Happy thanksgiving to all! (I won’t curse the jerks- I will show “Christian restraint ©”)

lalo alcaraz
Bruce4671 said, 1 day ago

That’s what happens when you have to quit (or choose to) school to go to war and raise a family…I have trouble getting my points across because of my lack……

I agree. The US war machine tried to wipe out the Native Occupants (they’re not “Indians” but had many names fo many “nations” we choose to ignore). Was germ warfare used. There were reports of that starting with the british so probably. Was it a bad thing…hmmmm why would anyone ever think not?

The reports we have now about everything that happened at that time have a good chance of being bias toward the victor in the dispute. It usually is. Look at the “news” you get today. (both sides) Reports are made to try to sway the population toward the reporters viewpoint. Unless you are there, you can not know the exact truth.

The Seminole tribe (and most native americans) have found the way to prosperity by adapting to the rules of the society that sprung up around them. It’s how civilization makes advances and populations meld. It’s a coin flip as to who will assimilate whom as a result of a conquest. Generally, through history, the “People” survive as the “governments” come and go…….I tried to explain my thoughts but as one of you pointed out I’m just a senile, uneducated ‘ol poop…………
Bruce4671 said, 1 day ago

As an after though. reservation life must suck. but if you confine yourself to what the “evil empire” wants to give you…welll….my advice? get off the rez brother (that would go for the projects too) it’s hard it’s work and you have to manufacture your own escape route but other people have done it why not you?
fennec said, 1 day ago

I’m seeing how many cite movies and TV documentaries as their references. Do you really believe you get the depth of complex subjects from such sources that is required for understanding? It doesn’t take a load of degrees to read basic books on most subjects, it just takes time and interest (and a bit of work too).
DrCanuck said, 1 day ago

Ok, Bruce; I’m with you now.

Why not get off the reservation? And get assimilated? Because you, and the world, lose a vibrant, alive culture that has so much to teach the world. I know this is not the case in the more southern reservations containing the destroyed remnants of these cultures but in the north, the Cree, Athapascan, and others still thrive. Many of my students are of these backgrounds and there is so much joy (and heartache) working with them.
ahab said, 1 day ago

Lalo , muy bueno!
believecommonsense said, 1 day ago

Lalo, howdy! We appreciate you dropping in and reading our comments.

Happy Turkey day to all the turkeys!
geometer2 said, 1 day ago

While the facts vis-a-vis the Native Americans and smallpox may be debatable, the very idea that somehow, Republicans were responsible for this is ludicrous, mean-spitited hate-mongering. It smacks of the worst kind of proaganda that totally demonizes anyone who happens to have a different view, and is a large part of the reason our country is so polarized. Your broad-brush approach is painting the majority of America as racist, uncaring fiends bent on the destruction of their fellow man. You might want to take a look at the proportions of money donated to charities in this great nation. The vast majority is donated to charity by conservatives. Liberals (not all, but the numbers suggest most) by contrast, want to have the state confiscate the hard-earned income of others to achieve their unworkable, utopian ideals through an inefficient and wasteful federal government. We are now headed for a federal health care program that will have the efficiency of the US Postal Service coupled with the compassion of the IRS. I hope you like what you get!
oldlegodad said, 1 day ago

They used to show a film at the Texas Center for Cultures (?) in San Antonio about the Spanish Missionaries and the Indians. It included the revolts but at the end the narrator Ricardo Mounteban asked where are these people.? The answer was the streets of San Antonio, police, bus drivers,doctors,nurses, clerks. Our native born “latino” population were (are) like their cousins across the borders “Indians” Would they want to become separate again ? I don’t know.
Warrior77 said, 1 day ago

According to the liberals who post here, Christian restraints is murdering children through abortion and accepting all evil as good.
Warrior77 said, 1 day ago

It is too bad for the liberals that the creator of the universe does not see it that what.