Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau


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  1. leftwingpatriot

    leftwingpatriot GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    Alex also started her own company when she was 14 years old.
    GT will never pass up an opportunity to take a shot at the self-esteem movement.

  2. MiepR

    MiepR said, almost 3 years ago

    If the daughter was a son, would we be reading this?

  3. leftwingpatriot

    leftwingpatriot GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago


    Do you remember the relationship Mark had with his father?

  4. leftwingpatriot

    leftwingpatriot GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    All the best to these young, resourceful entrepreneurs.
    Was Sam one of them?

  5. JLG

    JLG GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    Sigh. I love Doonesbury but Garry Trudeau seems unable to write teenage characters without having them act abrasive at best and totally spiteful at worst. Jeff was a nice kid who turned into a massive jerk once he hit his teens and has stayed that way ever since, Alex become arrogant and somewhat ruthless, and now sweet, innocent Sam seems to have joined the dour, sneering teenage club. I realize teens have that reputation and go through that phase, but seriously, not ALL of them do. Not by a longshot. I just get tired of seeing the Doonesbury kids all follow this same trajectory, albeit in different intensities. (Alex may be off-putting sometimes, but Jeff is just an unrelenting jerk.)

  6. GrimmaTheNome

    GrimmaTheNome said, almost 3 years ago

    Self-esteem – fine if its valuing yourself for who you really are and what you can actually do; less good if its just a sense of entitlement without putting the graft in.

  7. cdward

    cdward said, almost 3 years ago


    I would re-word this. Self-esteem with a sense of entitlement is quite common among the wealthy, less so among the poor. for them, it’s usually resignation and a sense of not caring about anyone else because everyone’s out to get them anyway. Self-esteem with a realistic sense of who you are is good, as you say. Without it, that’s just self-delusion.

  8. Astolat

    Astolat said, almost 3 years ago

    So glad he’s picked this topic, it’s one of the things that makes me climb the walls. You canNOT be “anything you want to be”. With my hand/eye co-ordination, I was never going to be a sportsman, or a surgeon, and i wojuld have been very unhappy if I had insisted on trying to be.
    If there is something you are passionate about, there is normally a way for you to be involved. If you have a passion for healing but no aptitude for medicine, you can be the administrator who ensures the medics have the wherewithal to do what they do. If you have a passion for theatre but can’t act, you can be on the stage door.
    Most people are going to end up in ordinary jobs (by definition). That doesn’t mean they have failed, but if we keep telling them that they can make their daydreams real, they’re going to think they have failed when their dreams fail to materialise.
    “A servant with this clause makes drudgery divine: who sweeps a room, as for thy laws, makes that and the action fine.” George Herbert

  9. DavidHuieGreen

    DavidHuieGreen said, almost 3 years ago

    “This could lead to a highly educated daughter.
    What were we thinking?!”

  10. jeffiekins

    jeffiekins said, almost 3 years ago

    So let’s see…

    We have 1 vote for “it’s all about gender,” and 1 vote for “it’s all about class.” Sorry to break it to you, but it’s just not. Some things are about neither, and this is one of those things.

    When I was a high-school teacher, the U.S.-born kids I taught (a slim majority) generally thought and felt like Sam, at least through Sophomore year. Then, there’s a change.

    Ever wonder why “whatever” is the most common word in their vocabulary? It’s how they protect their self-esteem. When you’re used to getting a trophy for showing up, anything that doesn’t go according to your fantasies is a challenge to your self-esteem. So you say “whatever” to show/create your disdain for the thing. Something you have contempt for can’t effect your self-esteem; mission accomplished.

    One of the worst things at that (public) school was the wrong-think among the teachers and administration about self-esteem: THE TRUTH IS: if you create it by lowering the bar until the kid can fall out of bed and be over it, it’s extremely fragile, and cannot survive the inevitable collision with the real world, which leaves the sufferer a mess. OTOH, if you create it by giving the kid difficult things that are possible, it’s resilient, and a source of strength once (s)he enters the real world. (I see this clearly in my daughter, currently at her first-choice college, BTW. She NEVER says “whatever,” because she doesn’t have to: she doesn’t have an extremely fragile self-esteem to protect.)

  11. HectorGonzalez

    HectorGonzalez said, almost 3 years ago

    The problem I’ve found with the self-esteem “movement” is that the self-esteem praise should be given for them trying their best with a realistic appraisal of what actually is their best. Instead it’s given for attendance.

  12. Dr Dave

    Dr Dave said, almost 3 years ago

    Still no Cornell…

  13. avtar123

    avtar123 said, almost 3 years ago


    I’m just curious, where are you getting this from? She’s asking why her father seems to be questioning her even looking into MIT? How does that put her into a dour, sneering teenage club?

  14. roctor

    roctor said, almost 3 years ago

    Self esteem ends at the front door.

  15. fbjsr

    fbjsr said, almost 3 years ago

    You can be anything you want if you are willing to work hard enough at it. She didn’t work hard enough to get into MIT. She would have to go to another school, work hard enough and then get into MIT. Problem is kids are told they can be anything they want without being told about the hard part. Remember “you didn’t build that”? Well guess what they did and they worked damn hard to do so.

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