Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau

Doonesbury

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  1. alaskajohn1

    alaskajohn1 said, over 3 years ago

    What instituion of higher learning nowadays has a term that goes beyond the year-end holidays?

  2. palin drome

    palin drome GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    @alaskajohn1

    The Ivy League schools. You come back from the Xmas holidays for a weeklong ( at least) “study period” and then take your finals before February, when spring semester begins.

    If he’s cynical enough, the professor recognizes the irony in the word responsible. No doubt B.D. and Ray do.

  3. Richard S. Russell

    Richard S. Russell GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    Invoking the Pottery Barn Rule, eh?

  4. pjknb

    pjknb said, over 3 years ago

    I actually teach a similar course in Global Politics for my school. The question of responsibility is often asked – Not yet satisfactorily answered! (Sigh)

  5. palin drome

    palin drome GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    If the military and academic historians are gearing up to bury Iraq in revisionist accounts, what use is B.D.‘s and Ray’s experience (“I know the material; I figure gut, no?”)

    They don’t understand how seriously a “surrender monkey” takes himself before a bunch of apathetic students.

  6. leftwingpatriot

    leftwingpatriot said, over 3 years ago

    @palin drome

    The war was started by revisionists.

  7. DylanThomas3.14159

    DylanThomas3.14159 said, over 3 years ago

    According the the online “Urban Dictionary”, which tracks current slang, one of the meanings of “dark” is: “Having to do with individuality and isolation. Considered good in some circles, with its opposite, light having to do with conformity and lack of integrity.”
     
    If this is the case, and I suspect it is, then the dude in panel 4 is not only agreeing with the prof, but thinks that the prof is an island of integrity in a sea of conformist, politically-driven, politically-correct nonsense about Iraq, especially with respect to its “aftermath”, meaning our assessment morally, strategically, etc.

  8. BlueRaven

    BlueRaven said, over 3 years ago

    @palin drome

    Heck, community colleges in CA on the semester schedule do the same thing.

  9. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, over 3 years ago

    Responsibility, to my mind, means, or ought to mean, consequences. When someone says that he is “accepting full responsibility” for X, the phrase should be followed by, “I will therefore be doing Y” or something of that sort. “Personal responsibility” without at least the possibility of personal consequences is just hot air.


    But then there is problem of collective responsibility. If, for example, you judge to be wrong a certain military or other action, proposed by the president, approved by the congress, and supported by the America people, then you are not personally responsible, because you oppose it, but America is responsible, we are responsible, and you are part of that “we” and share in that responsibility. Unless you prefer to disavow your country.


    I am particular tired of those who are quick to embrace and claim a piece of credit for everything good that our country does, and just as quick to deny any responsibility for anything negative. Like flag-wavers who are “proud to be Americans” when there is any credit or praise to be grabbed therefore, but when faced with injustice, pain, or suffering occasioned by the workings or failures of our system, will duck and cover under the all-purpose evasion of “personal responsibility,” a phrase almost always used to mean its opposite: “I’m not responsible for THAT, I shouldn’t have to pay for THAT.”

    For us, there are many things of which to be proud in the conduct of the Bush-Obama wars of the last ten years; and there are many things of which to be ashamed. We may differ on whether one outweighs the other, but we ought to be honest enough to accept it has been a very mixed bag.

  10. roctor

    roctor said, over 3 years ago

    When then test is over lay down your pencil.

  11. basshwy

    basshwy said, over 3 years ago

    I really like the double meaning of this strip. “Will we be responsible for the aftermath” Of course. Why wouldn’t you be?

  12. DylanThomas3.14159

    DylanThomas3.14159 said, over 3 years ago

    @Doughfoot

    Do you mean that I, who opposed the war at all times, should fall on my sword for something Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al. did re Iraq even though they continue to support old lies and even make up new ones to cover their backsides?

  13. DylanThomas3.14159

    DylanThomas3.14159 said, over 3 years ago

    @Doughfoot

    Not to mention — grrrr! — Tony Blair?

  14. Darsan54

    Darsan54 said, over 3 years ago

    @palin drome

    Seeing anything only in thru the eyes of those on the ground would be useless. Remember during the Revolutionary War, only a third supported the war, one third were loyal to the Crown and the last were unswayed by either side. Academics can look at the big picture. Besides wouldn’t the 9-11 hijackers be just as correct in considering their cause just?

  15. Darsan54

    Darsan54 said, over 3 years ago

    @Doughfoot

    Thank you. You are a wise man who has stated something very profound. Again, thank you.

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