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I suspect an icon has to be ‘earned’, through obvious gaffes etc. So far, there’s nothing that obviously iconic. The guy’s a centrist politician who speaks well.
Obama will look like a centrist to various people for various reasons….
He’ll look centrist to those centrists who bought into his watered-down campaign rhetoric designed to hide his true socialist beliefs.
He’ll look centrist to other centrists who don’t recognize how far left the center has been dragged in the last 100 years.
He’ll look centrist to the most radical lefties who think they’ve been betrayed by one of their own because he still hasn’t nationalized every corporation and outlawed the GOP.
And altho I have yet to see one of these in captivity, I suspect there may be a few on the right who consider Obama a centrist because he is continuing so many Bush policies, most of which were themselves already leftist.
The one thing I haven’t yet figured out about Obama is how much he recognizes the evil of his beliefs. With his history, he may actually believe his views are moderate!
Unless you sit in the big chair, hating those policies is just theory. The reality is that many of George Bush’s policies made sense, so even someone as polar opposite asObama is forced to validate them by continuing them.
It’s all perspective. Even Nancy Pelosi looks right-wing from the perspective of Cindy Sheehan.
um…. why is Jr. War Criminal in the White House? Is there a guest room? Doesn’t he have brush to burn in Crawford, while he waits for those Incoming halliburton pigeons to come home to roost?
blackash said: “He’s our first true believing, far left Marxist-Leninist.”
I find it sad that American media has distorted world politics to a point that someone would actually say this. Personally I think this is due to the steep decline of American education and journalism. Way too much Fox News and the like.
There used to be Walter Cronkite – now we have Glenn Beck and the like. Ewwww!
W is drinking beer in Suburban Dallas and making brief appearances at football games. His hog farm is rumored to be up for sale. Can’t wait to see what Atwater-production is going to be assembled around the next GOP annointed one!
Heck, I thought Dubya was proud to NOT be considered for something as effeminate as the Nobel Peace Prize.
And Grimma, you’re correct. A large majority of people in this country have absolutely no clue of what the terms “leftist”, “rightist”, “socialist”, or even “capitalist” mean, but they banter them around anyway.
To the neocon Republicans, all Democrats are extreme leftists.
Barack Obama would never have called Gorbachev a “Democrat.”
While George W. Bush was supposed to be a recovering alcoholic while he was the President of the United States, if he wasn’t literally consuming alcohol for those 8 years, he often acted like he was a dry drunk.
When I stayed at that half-way house for addicts (I was not one, I was just there because I was homeless and needed a better place to stay), my room mate, George, who was also the cook, often went on a dry drunk. He made everyone else living in the house miserable.
Several days ago, someone posted that I knew absolutely nothing about Alcoholics Anonymous and I was wrong about what I posted. When one has to read both the 12-Step Book and the Big Book and has to attend AA meetings held where he is staying, one can learn a lot about folks who subsituted alcoholic addiction with AA meeting addiction.
Since Alcoholics Anonymous doesn’t keep records of anyone who goes through its programs, it really cannot prove its program works.
Saying that Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War is the same as saying Atilla the Hun destroyed the Roman Empire!
In both cases, the inner workings of their governments were so inefficient and corrupt, that totlal collapse was inevitable.
It was Gorbachev who actually saw the handwriting on the wall, and moved for major reforms, including ending the Cold War.
Grimma… When we have comments branding George W. Bush as leftist and Obama as Marxist-Leninist, you know the dark days are upon us and the inmates are loose…
Thank you Susan, At least there is one other person out there that understands Ronnie “I don’t remeber when I sold weapons to terrorist” did not end the cold war!
ps wrote: “The one thing I haven’t yet figured out about Obama is how much he recognizes the evil of his beliefs. With his history, he may actually believe his views are moderate! ”
Gorbachev ended the Cold War when he said he wouldn’t use troops against his own people. The Polish dockworkers took him at his word, Hungarian border guards took him at his word, then Miracle of Miracles, the Red Army took him at his word. I think he was a CIA sleeper. It would explain a lot. Sting also had an influence; ♫What might save us, me & you, is if the Russians love their children, too.♫
Amen ChukLitl, that’s the way it was. Reagans build up of American forces did nothing but impress his fellow conservatives. Glasnost’s openness and Gorbachevs unwillingness to use Stalinist techniques crumbled the Soviet Union.
And let’s back the grammar bus up, Grimma the Nome. Prematurity? What the heck kind of word is that? Did you really make a noun out of the adjective premature? I know it’s English, so we can basically do what ever we want to it, but still. Prematurity? That’s a stretch.
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baslim_the_begger
said,
about 1 month ago
Gorby a Democrat? Who knew?
GrimmaTheNome said, about 1 month ago
I guess this year the Nobel committee couldn’t find a proven peacemaker so they had to go for Hope instead.
I’d rather support Mr Obama in retrospectively earning it than bleeep about its undeniable prematurity.
GrimmaTheNome said, about 1 month ago
How weird… I did not type ‘bleeep’, but the term- quite acceptable in this context in British usage - for a female dog.
Can’t believe I’ve been censored in a mild response to a Doonesbury cartoon ;-)
Jmarkoff said, about 1 month ago
What’s taking Trudeau so long for us to get the Obama “icon”?
pbarnrob said, about 1 month ago
I suspect an icon has to be ‘earned’, through obvious gaffes etc. So far, there’s nothing that obviously iconic. The guy’s a centrist politician who speaks well.
blackash said, about 1 month ago
“The guy’s a centrist politician who speaks well.”
I can’t stop laughing. A CENTRIST? He’s our first true believing, far left Marxist-Leninist.
Manhunter808 said, about 1 month ago
I vote with blackash ;)
cdward said, about 1 month ago
blacklash, now I’m laughing. LEFT? The left hates him for essentially maintaining George Bush’s policies.
pschearer
said,
about 1 month ago
Obama will look like a centrist to various people for various reasons….
He’ll look centrist to those centrists who bought into his watered-down campaign rhetoric designed to hide his true socialist beliefs.
He’ll look centrist to other centrists who don’t recognize how far left the center has been dragged in the last 100 years.
He’ll look centrist to the most radical lefties who think they’ve been betrayed by one of their own because he still hasn’t nationalized every corporation and outlawed the GOP.
And altho I have yet to see one of these in captivity, I suspect there may be a few on the right who consider Obama a centrist because he is continuing so many Bush policies, most of which were themselves already leftist.
The one thing I haven’t yet figured out about Obama is how much he recognizes the evil of his beliefs. With his history, he may actually believe his views are moderate!
GrimmaTheNome said, about 1 month ago
Far left?
Speaking from the other side of the pond, some of you really have no idea what that means.
Avolunteer said, about 1 month ago
Agreed , Grimma and we live in Canada. Obama is far right of even our Conservative government!
Nemesys said, about 1 month ago
Unless you sit in the big chair, hating those policies is just theory. The reality is that many of George Bush’s policies made sense, so even someone as polar opposite asObama is forced to validate them by continuing them.
It’s all perspective. Even Nancy Pelosi looks right-wing from the perspective of Cindy Sheehan.
babka
said,
about 1 month ago
um…. why is Jr. War Criminal in the White House? Is there a guest room? Doesn’t he have brush to burn in Crawford, while he waits for those Incoming halliburton pigeons to come home to roost?
brewwitch said, about 1 month ago
blackash said: “He’s our first true believing, far left Marxist-Leninist.”
I find it sad that American media has distorted world politics to a point that someone would actually say this. Personally I think this is due to the steep decline of American education and journalism. Way too much Fox News and the like.
There used to be Walter Cronkite – now we have Glenn Beck and the like. Ewwww!
kdobson said, about 1 month ago
Don’t the wavy/jagged lines for the Drunk-in-Chief’s word balloons mean that he’s on the other end of a phone conversation?
Potrzebie said, about 1 month ago
W is drinking beer in Suburban Dallas and making brief appearances at football games. His hog farm is rumored to be up for sale. Can’t wait to see what Atwater-production is going to be assembled around the next GOP annointed one!
Maybe O’s icon will turn out to be the NPP!
Alabama_Al said, about 1 month ago
Heck, I thought Dubya was proud to NOT be considered for something as effeminate as the Nobel Peace Prize.
And Grimma, you’re correct. A large majority of people in this country have absolutely no clue of what the terms “leftist”, “rightist”, “socialist”, or even “capitalist” mean, but they banter them around anyway.
Fred_Basset_fan said, about 1 month ago
Who killed Jack Grant?
Fer Lefer said, about 1 month ago
Wow!
You guys think you’re at the left?!
Please, take a look at Bolivia, Venezuela or Nicaragua, (not just a wiki or google)
Far right and far left touch themselves in the extremes…
babka
said,
about 1 month ago
thank you, kdobson……whew.
Joe Allen Doty said, about 1 month ago
To the neocon Republicans, all Democrats are extreme leftists.
Barack Obama would never have called Gorbachev a “Democrat.”
While George W. Bush was supposed to be a recovering alcoholic while he was the President of the United States, if he wasn’t literally consuming alcohol for those 8 years, he often acted like he was a dry drunk.
When I stayed at that half-way house for addicts (I was not one, I was just there because I was homeless and needed a better place to stay), my room mate, George, who was also the cook, often went on a dry drunk. He made everyone else living in the house miserable.
Several days ago, someone posted that I knew absolutely nothing about Alcoholics Anonymous and I was wrong about what I posted. When one has to read both the 12-Step Book and the Big Book and has to attend AA meetings held where he is staying, one can learn a lot about folks who subsituted alcoholic addiction with AA meeting addiction.
Since Alcoholics Anonymous doesn’t keep records of anyone who goes through its programs, it really cannot prove its program works.
jack75287 said, about 1 month ago
If things go way south this age will be known as the Bush/Obama years.
Susan001 said, about 1 month ago
Saying that Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War is the same as saying Atilla the Hun destroyed the Roman Empire!
In both cases, the inner workings of their governments were so inefficient and corrupt, that totlal collapse was inevitable.
It was Gorbachev who actually saw the handwriting on the wall, and moved for major reforms, including ending the Cold War.
Ushindi
said,
about 1 month ago
Grimma… When we have comments branding George W. Bush as leftist and Obama as Marxist-Leninist, you know the dark days are upon us and the inmates are loose…
dadallen85
said,
about 1 month ago
heard it said… starting to believe…. obama just might be the antichrist
bradwilliams
said,
about 1 month ago
Thank you Susan, At least there is one other person out there that understands Ronnie “I don’t remeber when I sold weapons to terrorist” did not end the cold war!
misterwhite said, about 1 month ago
ps wrote: “The one thing I haven’t yet figured out about Obama is how much he recognizes the evil of his beliefs. With his history, he may actually believe his views are moderate! ”
The ONE thing you haven’t figured out?!?!?!?!
Don’t put yourself down.
The things you haven’t figured out are endless.
ChukLitl
said,
about 1 month ago
Gorbachev ended the Cold War when he said he wouldn’t use troops against his own people. The Polish dockworkers took him at his word, Hungarian border guards took him at his word, then Miracle of Miracles, the Red Army took him at his word. I think he was a CIA sleeper. It would explain a lot. Sting also had an influence; ♫What might save us, me & you, is if the Russians love their children, too.♫
Ronshua
said,
about 1 month ago
dadallen85… Brother there is NOWAY our esteemed President could be that marker in History .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism
Mat 24:3 AndG1161 as heG846 satG2521 uponG1909 theG3588 mountG3735 of Olives,G1636 theG3588 disciplesG3101 cameG4334 unto himG846 privately,G2596 G2398 saying,G3004 TellG2036 us,G2254 whenG4219 shall these thingsG5023 be?G2071 andG2532 whatG5101 shall
Strong’s G2398 and (shortly)G1722 G5034 word study will dispel the cartload of Futurism .
Privately … to them then only ! 2 , 3 , 4 , thousand years from then or from now ?
Fairportfan2
said,
about 1 month ago
Grimma - the nannybot here sometimes/often bleeps a common word meaning “to repair socks”.
That is “d a r n”.
But it often lest “damn” through.
(That was “d a m n” if it didin’t get through this time.)
Dypak
said,
about 1 month ago
Amen ChukLitl, that’s the way it was. Reagans build up of American forces did nothing but impress his fellow conservatives. Glasnost’s openness and Gorbachevs unwillingness to use Stalinist techniques crumbled the Soviet Union.
And let’s back the grammar bus up, Grimma the Nome. Prematurity? What the heck kind of word is that? Did you really make a noun out of the adjective premature? I know it’s English, so we can basically do what ever we want to it, but still. Prematurity? That’s a stretch.
tcambeul said, about 1 month ago
doodooberry will bleep a bleeping comment in a bleeping second.
ironflange said, about 1 month ago
Tuff luck for Reagan, that there isn’t a Nobel for saber-rattling.
GrimmaTheNome said, about 1 month ago
Prematurity is in the Webster’s dictionary. No stretch, not even an English-English oddity ;-)