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1. 

   dtroutma said, 5 months ago

   They’re baaaaacckk!

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   Anthony 2816 said, 5 months ago

   No, no, no…they’re not pro-life…they’re pro-fetal-life.

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   Ink-adink-adoo said, 5 months ago

   The perfect summation.

   There’s your Pulitzer, Mr. Wright.

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   tracyalanbolli said, 5 months ago

   Brilliant! Spot on.

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   Greeneyed Texan said, 5 months ago

   Saying all Pro lifers are extremists and fanatical is like saying all Democrats are racists and socialists. You have some extremists/ fanaticals in all organizations that do not represent the group as a whole.

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   believecommonsense said, 5 months ago

   this is winner in its simplicity

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   tpenna said, 5 months ago

   I’m nervous that this cartoon goes over the line. It’s difficult for political cartoons to be subtle, but this I think paints with too broad a brush. In that respect, I agree with Greeneyedtxn.

   Other cartoons have done a good job of addressing this topic without crossing that line.

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   Gary Kleppe said, 5 months ago

   “No, no, no…they’re not pro-life…they’re pro-fetal-life.”

   No, they’re not even that. They’re against national health care, which dramatically reduces infant mortality rates in other countries. They’re anti-woman.

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   M Kitt said, 5 months ago

   God, guns, gays. The three daily nutritional supplements of the GOP. George Carlin pointed out that the right wing is ony concerned about life until it’s out of the womb, then it hasn’t got any “right to life” support until of course it’s at recruitment age for the military.

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    Corosive Frog said, 5 months ago

    Womb envy.

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    TrickyPickle said, 5 months ago

    Ridiculous. Pro-fetal-life? Anti-woman? Ignorant statements at best and defamatory at worst. To the rational members of the pro-life camp all life is equal and sacred. To extrapolate the views of a handful of extremists to the whole movement is irresponsible and wrong. It is no more true than saying the pro-choice camp are all child haters and selfish monsters who’d rather kill their own offspring than take the responsibility of raising them. Seriously people, a little moderation and objectivity is a good thing, yes?

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    danielsangeo said, 5 months ago

    I really don’t see anyone saying “all”. I am seeing those that CALL themselves “pro-life” doing things that aren’t. Wright’s statement here is that some who call themselves “pro-life” aren’t.

    It is NOT a statement on the pro-life movement.

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    jkshaw said, 5 months ago

    In all respect to the anti-choice people, if they don’t want to be painted with the broad brush along with the assassins among them, they should do something to rein these maniacs in and stop the inflammatory language. Encouraging potential killers is too close to killing themselves.

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    IrishEddieOHara said, 5 months ago

    You know, Anthony, you can say that garbage until your face turns blue and it will still be untrue. The Church has a long record of standing for the poor and oppressed. Go back and read some of the papal encyclicals done during the rise of the Industrial Revolution and the harrowing of the poor by the robber barons. Go back and study the history of the saints in the Catholic Church and see how they were out on the front lines caring for the poor.

    No, Anthony, it’s you bigmouth liberals who are always whining about how much you love the poor, but you are never found doing anything but protesting their conditions when you are not sucking down your wine and brie in some cafe and acting like you really care. Come out and drive some nails with me at one of the homeless shelters our Church cares for. If you can’t do that….

    then shut the hell up!!!

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    cdward said, 5 months ago

    IrishEddieOHara, sadly you are practicing exactly what you condemn.

    I am indeed aware of much of the good that the Church (inclusively used, not merely the Roman Catholic Church) has done. The Catholic Worker Movement and Dorothy Day are icons – but they would also be considered liberal by many.

    But you paint liberals with too broach a stroke, too. And you go too easy on the Church (again, inclusively used). Many liberals give their lives to serve the poor and marginalized. I know because I work with many of them. They are in the trenches alongside many of their more conservative brothers and sisters. So, please back off a bit. (and don’t start with “He said it first.”)

    The Church, however, DOES have much to atone for. Violation of other cultures, often cooperating with violent governments in the conquest of other lands. Oppression of thought and rights. You get the idea.

    For the record, I DO drive nails in homes of the poor, I DO work to feed the hungry (in food kitchens and pantries), I DO visit the sick and the imprisoned. I DO work with children struggling to improve their reading so they don’t fall through the cracks. I’m not sure you have taken the time to befriend any liberals – and that is to your detriment.

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    tpenna said, 5 months ago

    Hey Eddie. I was reading your post and saying, “Eddie’s exactly right!” Indeed, the Church has throughout the 20th Century been a champion for the oppressed as witnessed in “Rerum Novarum”, “Pacem in Terris”, and “Gaudium et Spes”. But also as witnessed in the tireless work of Mother Teresa’s Missionaries of Charity, for one example.

    And then I got to your second paragraph. My earlier comment was about how this cartoon painted with too broad a brush. Unfortunately, you just joined Don Wright and some posters here in doing just the same.

    In fact, my liberal church and I take part in all sorts of service activities.

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    Anthony 2816 said, 5 months ago

    Since you’re stereotyping me without knowing anything about me, I trust it’s okay for me to do the same to you?

    In the meantime, maybe all this Catholic loot could be used to help the poor?

    http://tinyurl.com/p9mcv9

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    IrishEddieOHara said, 5 months ago

    You already did it to me, Anthony, or maybe you don’t realize that?

    I haven’t seen too many liberal homeless shelters around. Maybe you could tell me about some of them. Everything I see appears to have some sort of connection to some kind of Christian organization, you know, those people who “don’t care about children once they are born.”

    We would love to help women with their problem pregnancies, but Planned Parenthood has made sure to protect their rich business of baby killing by getting laws passed which keep us away from the clinics so that we cannot even hand out literature to the women going in.

    Where’s the “choice” in that, eh??

    I agree that there are an awful lot of the Fundamentalist Bible Thumper types out there who do practically nothing for the poor and who are as pro-war as you can get. The Republicans have had them led around by the nose for about a century. All people like Rush Blowhard have to do is even slightly suggest that some country is a threat to our “way of life” (which means greedy consumer Capitalism) and they are ready to grab their guns and go to war.

    In Jaaaaaaayzuz name, of course. After all, that’s what Jaaaaaazuz would do, wouldn’t He?

    I know whereof I speak. I was one of those buttheaded Fundamentalists for a long time. (Mea culpa). Now I have discovered Dorothy Day and she is absolutely my hero. A person who took the commandments of Jesus seriously and lived them seriously. That’s why this country had her on their enemies list.

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    M Kitt said, 5 months ago

    “Regarding the combining of church and state, if you support any one religion over another at the government level you are by default engaging in discrimination and encouraging others to do so…the torch carriers for a holy war in the middle east are all the evidence of that anyone should need, compiled evidence stretching thousands of years.” Government and religion completely merged (Theocracy) result in a combination at least as bad as dictatorships, the appointed leader who of course is closer to God than anyone else (by his or her own declaration) sells themselves as the exclusive interpreter of scripture, without fault, and favored above all others in the eyes of that same God. Only one law is needed then, obey without question, same as a common dictator, backed by the military without fail. The Constitution was written with all of this in mind, escaping the burden of Catholic de facto ownership of the British political system at that time was a primary driving force……not a theocracy but dangerous and powerful enough to motivate the founding fathers to prevent it from happening here.

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    IrishEddieOHara said, 5 months ago

    Anthony, you already did. Don’t you realize that?

    I read your link. This is just more of the same anti-Catholic drivel and hatred which the Church has had to put up with for 2000 years.

    Those who hate the Church will find any reason, any excuse, no matter how small or insignificant, to say bad about Her.

    Those who love the Church do so because they have found Truth in Her. They realize that while the Church is perfect, the people in Her, even those who run it sometimes, are far from perfect. It is the teachings of the Church we follow, not the screwed up people who may be in it from time to time.

    I said what I said because whenever I find some sort of work being done to help the poor, it seems to most usually be associated with some sort of “Christian” endeavor. I acknowledge that there may be the occasional liberal who does good works, but what I mostly see is people like Teddyboy Kennedy, John Kerry, Barack Obama, etc., who are more willing to make me fork over my hard earned bucks to “help the poor” instead of leading the way with a hammer in hand. I guess picking my pocket legally is easier than sweating for fat out of shape Massachusetts senators.

    Dorothy Day is my hero. I”ve discovered her writings and I love what she stood for. It is said that one’s character is known by the enemies one makes. Well, if she made enemies with the Capitalist stooges of this country, she had great character. I believe she stood for the teachings of Christ, and far better than the right wing nutjobs in Bible thumpin’ Fundamentalism.

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    IrishEddieOHara said, 5 months ago

    Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on a story in today’s New York Times that details how some of Bill O’Reilly’s critics are trying to blame him for the death of Dr. George Tiller:

    In all of Bill O’Reilly’s denunciations of Dr. George Tiller, he never once called for anyone to even post his address on the web, never mind call for his death. Yet O’Reilly is being blamed for Tiller’s murder. If O’Reilly’s critics had any sense of decency, or fairness, they would have long condemned what Hustler king Larry Flynt once said about the Fox News Network personality.

    On August 5, 2003, Flynt launched a National Prayer Day, calling for O’Reilly’s death. Flynt asked God “to afflict Bill O’Reilly with a brain aneurysm that will lead to his slow and painful death. O, Lord, may his blood vessels bulge out of his head and explode without mercy.”

    To my knowledge, none of O’Reilly’s foes have ever damned Flynt for this despicable comment. They therefore have zero moral capital to lash out at O’Reilly for his criticisms of a man who proudly took the lives of over 60,000 children.

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    tpenna said, 5 months ago

    I don’t get it, Eddie. You keep saying that none of the organizations doing good work that you see are “liberal”. Rather, they are all “Christian”. You say these things as though they are mutually exclusive terms.

    Again, folks like cdward and myself are both liberals and Christians (as are Kennedy, Kerry, and Obama, for that matter). Jimmy Carter is a good example of a liberal Christian who tirelessly works for the poor and disadvantaged.

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    IrishEddieOHara said, 5 months ago

    I’ll accept Jimmy Carter. He has indeed picked up the hammer and done what needs to be done. More power to him.

    Kennedy? When did you ever see him doing anything for the poor?

    Kerry? This is the same guy who, when running for president, was revealed to have given the MASSIVE sum of $350 in the prior year to charity. Never seen him in a homeless shelter doling out soup.

    Obama. Well, maybe community organizer qualifies. I don’t know because I don’t know exactly what a community organizer does. Could just be another leftist organization for stirring up trouble and agitating.

    I also accept cdward’s statement about doing work for the poor. Good for him (her?).

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    M Kitt said, 5 months ago

    So the “Religionists” who support the fundamentalist agenda that scripture prevails over the law and that we’re all just wasting time waiting for the rapture, haven’t they openly stated that our war in Iraq is just the opening volley? That anyone not of their religion (IE muslims) are somehow followers of satan who don’t deserve their own country and who by their beliefs deserve to be occupied? It’s that sort of “rational” thinking and complete intolerance of anyone else’s point of view that brings some of us to completely distrust the religious “right” that really isn’t….

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    M Kitt said, 5 months ago

    Dinosaurs and mastedons are myths foisted on us by those who refuse to believe the earth is only 5 or 6K years old, they should be forced to obey the obvious irrefutable evidence given by scripture or we’ll punish them as we were oh so briefly allowed to do during the inquisition….those fossil remains are actually the work of the devil and my hate for those who disagree with me makes my blood boil, burn in hell disbelievers! (Brought to you by the council for reform of logic and dispersion of science, this message has been paid for and approved by the GOP, daily.)

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    M Kitt said, 5 months ago

    Irish Eddie, why do so many of the GOP think they can co-opt religion and constantly state their unilateral, complete understanding of scripture that no liberal could ever possibly comprehend, because of our politics, of course. Take for instance the term “Elitist” implied by your’ remarks about “Sucking down wine and brie in a cafe”, that concept is bandied about by many of the richest and most privileged among the GOP (Bush is a legacy Ivy-league child who couldn’t get in otherwise, not to mention his placement in the National Air Guard ahead of many others). If O’Really and his ilk are so much closer to you and others who claim that they’re just “common folk” and represent the best interest of the public, just soak up more Rush Limp*ick and stop screeching about how annoying the rest of us are, give it a rest, we’ve heard it all from the right-wing spin machine already.

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    Corosive Frog said, 5 months ago

    On the “progressiveness” of the catholic church;

    The current pope used to be the leader of what evolved from the Inquisition, ‘nuff said.

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    Anthony 2816 said, 5 months ago

    Oh, Eddie, you do realize that your bible says all liars go to hell, right?

    Here’s the facts you’re denying about O’Reilly and Tiller:

    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/31/tiller/

    Deal with it. Just like you need to deal with this:

    http://tinyurl.com/p9mcv9

    Calling it “anti-Catholic drivel and hatred which the Church has had to put up with for 2000 years” doesn’t make it go away. Maybe if the Catholic church were to disburse this wealth, you wouldn’t have to call it “drivel”?

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    Anthony 2816 said, 5 months ago

    Just once I’d like to see one of the anti-choicers say something about a women who has a dead 7-month fetus inside of her.

    Obviously she shouldn’t be allowed to have an abortion, right, anti-choicers? She should just risk her life to the chance of sepsis, in order to carry her dead fetus to term.

    Why do you hate this woman for wanting to get her dead fetus out right away? Why was someone who could have helped her murdered by one of your clinic protesters?

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    oldlegodad said, 5 months ago

    Anthony, that is a stretch, even for you.
    Ever hear of mis-carriage? That is what happens to dead feuus’

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    Anthony 2816 said, 5 months ago

    Spoken like a man! Why should she have to wait for a miscarriage? I can’t imagine it’s particularly pleasant carrying around a dead fetus inside you.

    And there are plenty of other examples. What if the fetus is anencephalic (no brain development), or has any other lethal conditions? Tiller’s enemies believe the mother should still suffer through the entire pregnancy, knowing the doomed outcome that awaits.

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    TrickyPickle said, 5 months ago

    @Anthony: To say liberals don’t care about the poor or that they don’t do anything to help them is simply incorrect. They’re people too, and they care.

    @Corrosive Frog: The Spanish Inquisition was instituted by the Spanish monarchy, using the church as a convenient tool. It was only in Spanish territory. The Office of the Inquisition which you refer to was set up as a body to preserve doctrine and oversee local inquisitions in Rome. Their job was to protect the church from within against heresy, to vocally (not physically) combat dissenters. The worst you could look forward to was excommunication which is not much of a punishment to a non-believer. That the current Pope headed that office is no discredit to him from what I can see.

    @Anthony: I have to agree a bit with Eddie here, the church continues to be a force that champions helping the poor, regardless of what lands they hold. Remember, from their point of view, having churches *is* helping the poor.

    @Anthony again: I’ve seen you refer to the term anti-choicer to mean the extremists on the pro-life side. If this is what you mean then yes, I’ve not heard them say anything at all. But if you are referring to Pro-Lifers in general, I’ve seen many comments here by Pro-Lifers that denounce Dr. Tiller’s murder in very clear and strong terms. I also believe these people agree that the removal of a dead fetus is a necessity, and no bad thing.

    Folks, I know most of you hold strong opinions here, but it’d be nice if you couched them as such: opinions. 99% of major contemporary arguments have valid points on either side, otherwise there wouldn’t be an argument. Getting angry or sarcastic or insulting is hardly likely to sway other readers to your way of thinking. You catch more flies with honey!

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    tpenna said, 5 months ago

    TrickyPickle, I think that first “@Anthony” was meant to be “@Eddie”.

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    Anthony 2816 said, 5 months ago

    Yeah, what Tpenna said!

    I agree the Catholic church does do some good. But I think they could do a lot more if they didn’t hoard so much wealth.

    And when I help the poor, I do it without trying to push my religious beliefs on them.

    Regarding the anti-choicers’ condemnation, it has indeed been almost ubiquitous. But I disagree about them supporting removal of a dead or inviable fetus. Those are the sort of cases Dr. Tiller handled, and look where it got him.

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    IrishEddieOHara said, 5 months ago

    Anthony – why is it that all liberals try to make their case by bringing out distorted “facts” and trying to pass them off as truth?

    An abortion is the killing, dismemberment, and removal of a living baby from its mother’s womb.

    The scenario you describe is not an abortion and no right minded human being would make a woman go one day with a dead baby in her womb.

    This kind of argumentation, based in lies, half truth, and deception, is reprehensible from both the Left and the Right. I find it disgusting how both sides will stoop to the lowest possible common denominator of deceit and lies in order to score points and say “We’re right and you aren’t”

    You really should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt you have any sense of shame at all.

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    oldlegodad said, 5 months ago

    The human female body will reject (spontaneously abort) a dead fetus ie mis-carriage. The other conditions you site do not apply, and should be addressed by sound medical advice.and informed consent. Having been a party to an abortion for “sanity/health of 40+ mother and hopes to salvage marriage”
    I know the mental anguish involved .We still separated..I still wonder, what if??

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    Anthony 2816 said, 5 months ago

    Eddie, making a broad generalization about “all liberals” does nothing for your position.

    Instead of making up your own definition of abortion, why not look in the dictionary? Just to be sure, I looked on both dictionary.com, and in Stedman’s medical dictionary, and none add the term “living’ like you did, nor “dismemberment”. Changing established definitions also does nothing for your argument. It just makes one wonder why you feel you need such embellishments. In fact, one could go so far to say “this kind of argumentation, based in lies, half truth, and deception, is reprehensible.”

    The fact is that there are very few women who will carry a fetus to, say, 7 months, and then suddenly decide she doesn’t want it any more. That’s why most of Tillman’s late-term cases weren’t a form of late birth control, but were because of some malformation or death of the baby.

    Legodad: The miscarriage of which you speak doesn’t happen immediately. Take a look at this random Google result:

    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/259165-overview

    Note the part that says, “When a dead fetus has been in utero for 3-4 weeks…” Shows that it can indeed take a while.

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    lindz.coop said, 5 months ago

    For all the above rhetoric – it seems no one is really getting the point – liberal or conservative, religious or atheist, pro or anti whaterver – none of it matters
    when a man is shot to death inside his church because someone doesn’t like his occupation. And for all the murder-mongers among you – he also provided women’s health care and most likely saved many many more lives (fetal, newborn, and women’s) than he aborted.