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ConserveGov said, 6 months ago
Didn’t work out too well for them, did it?
capndunzzl said, 6 months ago
…just don’t accept anything for a song.
Clark Kent said, 6 months ago
Plymouth rock should have been on the north coast of south America. It’s too cold up here this time of year.
The native north Americans should have deported them.
Ms. Ima said, 6 months ago
The ‘Native Americans’ came from some other country. They didn’t just crawl out from under rocks, they walked across the land bridge from the west and Vikings came long before the Italians and English.
Respectful Troll said, 6 months ago
The Spanish learned quickly how vulnerable native Americans were to European diseases such as smallpox and syphilis. In the name of God and greed(mostly greed), they gifted locals with blankets and goods that had been exposed to sick people. The resulting epidemic went North and south and some authors say that 90% of native peoples died. This made it much easier over the next few centuries for the armored and armed Europeans to dominate the Americas. There is no moral high ground here. Evil was done because “the ends justified the means.”
Evil is still being done in the name of reaching specific ends. Such evil is not justified by our Constitution.
Sadly,
C.
cdward said, 6 months ago
@Ms. Ima
So? What’s your point? What I hear you saying is that there’s no difference between their coming here, displacing nobody, settling and thriving… and Europeans who found an established society which they then proceeded to undermine and displace by any means including military invasion. If you are saying that the Europeans had a right to do this, then it would follow that other illegal immigrants have a right to do so, by whatever means.
onguard said, 6 months ago
All Peoples came to the Continent from some where else. All Took land and displaced other arrivals and sometimes enslaving neighbors. Its just the way it was done back then…..Now it done by claiming to be something your not and taking power by Promising Free Stuff.
ARodney said, 6 months ago
Aw. No one promised ME free stuff. Just that I’d get the programs I’ve been paying for my whole life, instead of siphoning off the benefits and giving them to the rich. Oh, and the legal right to buy health insurance at market cost with my own money. Onguard, the hating of 47% of Americans based on faulty logic and fictional evidence may make you feel smug and righteous, but is not going to win conservatives any new converts.
Chillbilly
said, 6 months ago
Archaeological evidence suggests that Vikings were swiftly evacuated from North America, probably in the face of a massive attack of natives.
mikefive said, 6 months ago
@Mr. King
I’d go for lazy, but we did need a blanket term to refer to Cherokee, Iroquois, Apache, Navaho, Chickasaw, etc. (c/wikipedia-List of U.S. Indian Tribes) “Indian” got the job by default.
Fourcrows said, 6 months ago
Ima and Onguard,
The Native Americans came to this country before anyone else, that is what makes them native. Having lived here for several thousand years before “White” Europeans showed up, you cannot equate settling an unpopulated land with displacing the people already there. The greatest plague known to mankind killed off 90% of Native Americans between 1492 and 1600. By conservative estimates, in 1490 there were more people in North America than in Europe (perhaps 120 million compared to Europe’s 70 million). What existed here was not the solitary tribes the settlers ran into, but vast populations of native cultures. Had it not been for the smallpox virus, America would not be European culture. The Europeans would not have been able to conquer this land against the superior numbers, and the Native Americans would have been able to trade with Europe and develop as equals.
Please stop believing that migration to an empty land is the same as the genocide the Europeans committed. The first peoples displaced and conquered no one.
Brandon said, 6 months ago
Actually Fourcrows, the typical politically correct revision of “Native Americans” as peaceful people in total harmony with nature is extremely dishonest.
They conquered and could be sadistically cruel to each other. They engaged in slavery. They would burn large areas of forest to open up areas for big game for hunting.
The leftist idea of making out “Native Americans” as some utopian people is just one of many examples of the total dishonesty of the hypocritical liberals.
Fourcrows said, 6 months ago
@Brandon
Never said it was Utopian, I just said the originals did not displace anyone. However, you are correct on your points. Not every tribal nation participated in all those activities, but throughout the continent there were those who did. Eliminating that idealized view, though, does make it even less likely any European power would have managed a foothold on this continent without smallpox clearing the way first.
Dredpiraterobt$ said, 6 months ago
What is lazy is Locher picking up this chestnut yet AGAIN! It’s as predictable (perhaps even more so than) as the date of Thanksgiving itself.
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If I may plug here.
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I HIGHLY recommend a trip to the Plymouth Plantation. The Rock is a few miles away and so is “the” ship. Take the time to go to the plantation. See the pilgrim reenactors putting together the homes etc etc… It’s fun to talk to them in that they will be quite forceful in denying anything that hasn’t yet happened. It’s illustrative to go into the single room huts that served as “home” and to understand that these were just people.
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The death rate was sky high and the “till death us do part” of the wedding vow was something that a person might well expect to say several times in their lifetime, before it was your turn to leave!
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Take the side trip down to where Squanto lives. Engage the character in conversation! The nuance of the era is (to my mind) fascinating.
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I remember asking a pilgrim why they didn’t adopt the customs of the natives given that they weren’t dying off like the Pligrims were. He went off on me about the Godlessness of “those” (I don’t think he referred to them as people).
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If you’ve never done it and you are within striking distance, on vacation or business of living quarter. Please, do yourself this favor, and go!
dtroutma
said, 6 months ago
My ancestors were in North America for over 6,000 years before Moses was born. Before that, folks left Africa for Asia, and Europe, by way of many migrations. We ALL are in a sense, “African”. My how THAT disturbs so many!
Of course, if Columbus had been met on Dominica by two natives with M-16s, and “attitude”, things would have been a lot different!