Pat Oliphant for October 11, 2011

It’s Mr. Coffee!!

Not just Evangelicals but all member churches of the World Council of Churches call Mormons a cult. But it’s one of the better ones.Keep in mind it was Republicans saying this about Republicans. Democrats are just sitting back and laughing at them trashing their best chance.

“And the Democrats call Christians a cult too.”

Citation, please?

Of course, if you find that SOMEBODY has called Christianity a cult, and that person happens to be a Democrat, that is a far cry from “the Democrats call Christians a cult.” By the same token, Oliphant refrains from saying “the Rebublicans call Mormons a cult” because, explicitly, it’s Republicans on both sides here.

You are either deluded or lying. I am a Christian and a Democrat. More specifically, I am a Democrat BECAUSE I am a Christian, since of the two parties, the Republicans least represent the Gospel. In fact, it seems their current message is in direct opposition to the Good News.

Joltin’ Joe has left and gone away.

Hey, hey, hey…

To paraphrase Tom Waits,There ain’t no Devil, just God when He hasn’t had His coffee.

towerwarlock: troll or dummy? No matter.Obfuscate, Church and State, so much at Stake, rally Hate, oh woe, woe-woe, woe-woe and it comes out here….

@masterkrain:Right on….or some have been around long enough to shrug off that name, but THEY know how they started…

Indeed…

The original for of Mormonism was absolutely a cult, but they’ve adapted over the years to ensure the survival of their corporation. They’ve dropped polygamy, their militias, the naked washings, their vows of revenge against the United States, etc. In fact very few Mormons today have lived through the “life” of the original Mormonism and dismiss their own history as lies by anti-Mormons trying to convert them.

Any true understanding of supreme being would allow that “god” neither drinks, nor does not drink, coffee.

Why do you insist on ALWAYS making these simplistic, childish observations? It makes me think that you are actually a high school sophomore (thus the sophomoric sensibility). Really dude, are you a child or do you just insist on talking like one?

“Truth, by definition, is what is objectively true for everyone. All religions, because they differ in revelation, can’t be true.”

They CAN, however, all be FALSE, and there are no objective criteria by which do judge the truthfullness of each. Number of adherents is not evidence of truth. Longevity of tradition is not evidence of truth. Even internal consistency is not evidence of truth. Fervency of belief is not evidence of truth; all there is is belief, which is subjective, and that goes for you as much as for anyone else. If you take any two strangers sitting next to one another in a pew, they will differ on some points of doctrine, whether large or small.

“There is only God is Who He is, and not Who we want Him to be.”

Which includes “not Who charlie555 wants Him to be.”

Are Mormons. ( Or LDS as they like to refert to themselves ) a cult? Absolutely. Are they a Jim Jones type of cult that moves in lock-step with everything their leaders tell them?

Not at all. Mormonism is anything but a monolithic religiion. There are any number os groups within the Mormon Chucrh that have very different opinions. ( Google the word, Jack Mormon" sometime. )

Not all Mormons are conservative either…that’s the other muth. Morris ‘Mo’ Udall, the great progressive Congressman from Arizona was a Mormon. The editorial cartoonist, Steve Benson is the grandson of a former Prophet of the Mormon Church. If you’ve ever seen his cartoons, you know he’s anything but a rightie.

““Truth, by definition, is what is objectively true for everyone. All religions, because they differ in revelation, can’t be true.”

The four Gospels differ in places, so I guess AT LEAST three of them are false. Relatively speaking, the Gospel of John is radically different from Matthew, Mark, and Luke, so to be on the safe side we ought to either jettison John from the canon or ditch the other three…

“You are, of course, familiar with the old saying: ‘If God did not exist, it would be necessary for man to invent Him.’ In one way or another, every human invents that form of ‘Deity’ – or ‘God’ if your prefer – that conforms to ‘what he/she wants (It) to be’.”

My own position is this: My respect for the office of God is such that I’m forced to conclude that the post is vacant.

Nor did it stop the Right two years ago from going on endlessly about Obama’s pastor.

What goes around, comes around.

I am truly created in God’s image…we both need plenty of coffee…

ALL religions are cults.

Q: What’s the difference between a religion and a cult?A: About 100 years…

I would point out that this was a comment from a Southern Baptist clergyman at their gathering. It was not the voice of the Republican party.Past that, keep church out of state, and state out of church, please.

Over 100 sects (cults) within the “Baptist” church, and this dude is slamming LDS?? I’m neither Christian, or “bible God”, believer, but that doesn’t mean without faith in something MUCH bigger and grander than a “Man” based theology. I admire that my LDS friends DO follow a system of caring for their community, which proves them better “Christians” than a lot of “others” I’ve seen, gee, Pat Robertson absolutely leaps to mind, as well as Ted Haggard and other “televangelists”.

Remembering back to the days of Kennedy and Papism, I can’t help but reflect this genuflecting on the part of the Republican candidates to proclaim their dedication to “faith” BEFORE COUNTRY, flies in the face of the Constitution, and the most basic foundation of our nation, a SECULAR nation, where ALL, not just “Christians”, are free of their potential repression.

p.s. Is Starbucks a cult????

Caffeine is NOT the reason we don’t drink coffee

Joe took the fork in the road.( check out LIO)

“not allowed to drink caffine…own coca cola” WOW. Lots of Opinions. Not very many facts. If it sounds negative… Quick, Tell Everyone. Fiction and Sensationalism is so much fun. Don’t waste time on real searches. This is sooo entertaining to objective observers.

One thing about most Christian beliefs- there will come a time when all the guessing will be over. Now, if such an event takes place, a lot of questions will be answered. And, imagination will go elsewhere for excitement.

It’s simpler than that a cult is a religion without political clout, which would make Mormonism a cult in some places and the holy mother church in others.

“MY religious ideas may be in error because I misunderstand what God has revealed to His Church, but His Church is never in error concerning Faith and Morals because He has revealed this.”

So parishoners may differ, either through imperfect understanding or differences in pastoral instruction. Because of course pastoral instruction may differ, either through individual priest’s imperfect understanding or through differences in episcopal instruction. Because Bishops may differ, for the same reason. And Archbishops may differ. And Cardinals may differ. And only ONE GUY has perfect understanding and authority, and everybody else is more or less in error, and that one guy…used to be a Cardinal.

“The four Gospels appear to differ only in the eyes of the superficial reader.”

Either they differ, in which case three of the four are wrong, or they do NOT differ, in which case three of the four are superfluous.