scottfreitas is apparently of the “If I repeat it enough, then it will have to be true” school of logic. Incontrovertible evidence to the contrary be d@mned!
“Unlike you, I don’t let parakeet-cage-linings like the New York Times do my thinking for me. The US has the best health care system in the world by FAR;
And what DO you use for your thinking, Scott? Since apparently the usual studies don’t cut it for you, you either a) have access to better ones for your comparison, or b) can’t be bothered/don’t care to compare and just parrot a dogma.
you’ve all missed it. the US has the best elements that make up the best system..that’s a quality issue and there is no competitor…for best but there are many contributions of excellence from elsewhere that are part of what’s available here.
the real problems are ‘access and delivery’ . Here access is cost limited and delivery once costs are met is excellent….Elsewhere costs prevent access so delivery is painfully slow…i.e. Canada and UK where parallel private systems are growing
the simple truth is… even if ALL the fat is cut …excellent healthcare is extremely expensive….I doubt thaat we would be willing to afford it for all…….Our real problem here is at the top. we need to make Congress follow all the laws and suffer all the hardships we do. PUT CONGRESS ON MEDICARE
scott, petergrt: data, data, data, please. We’ve posted various studies on the relative healthcare coverage of the US versus other nations. All I’ve seen from you lately is “nuh-UH!”
It is a FACT that millions of Americans are not covered by insurance at all; and that a significant percentage are not covered adequately. It is also a FACT that a high percentage of people who go into bankruptcy in the US do so because of healthcare expenses, and 60% of them HAD insurance.
Having some of the best doctors, equipment, and technology in the world mean nothing without access to them. Sure, rich people or people in urban centers get great healthcare – but that’s not an accurate picture of America. In many other nations every single citizen has healthcare access, and in many you can pay more if you want to get more – just like the US, except they pay less for their healthcare and basic needs are covered.
Health clinics in towns all over the U.S. clearly show the need of comprehesive care for all. Visit one near you and see one part of our current system. It would take a total social disconnect to say we are number one after spending time with the “salt of the earth.”
More people get services of the same quality and competition can persuade private companies to get off their collective 15%-administrative-expenses bums and bring down costs?
Of course, that’s presuming the bill isn’t diluted to the consistency of helium by the time it’s out of the Senate. It’s close enough.
tpenna over 14 years ago
scottfreitas is apparently of the “If I repeat it enough, then it will have to be true” school of logic. Incontrovertible evidence to the contrary be d@mned!
4uk4ata over 14 years ago
“Unlike you, I don’t let parakeet-cage-linings like the New York Times do my thinking for me. The US has the best health care system in the world by FAR;
And what DO you use for your thinking, Scott? Since apparently the usual studies don’t cut it for you, you either a) have access to better ones for your comparison, or b) can’t be bothered/don’t care to compare and just parrot a dogma.
If it’s a), show’em.
Magnaut over 14 years ago
you’ve all missed it. the US has the best elements that make up the best system..that’s a quality issue and there is no competitor…for best but there are many contributions of excellence from elsewhere that are part of what’s available here.
the real problems are ‘access and delivery’ . Here access is cost limited and delivery once costs are met is excellent….Elsewhere costs prevent access so delivery is painfully slow…i.e. Canada and UK where parallel private systems are growing
the simple truth is… even if ALL the fat is cut …excellent healthcare is extremely expensive….I doubt thaat we would be willing to afford it for all…….Our real problem here is at the top. we need to make Congress follow all the laws and suffer all the hardships we do. PUT CONGRESS ON MEDICARE
Motivemagus over 14 years ago
scott, petergrt: data, data, data, please. We’ve posted various studies on the relative healthcare coverage of the US versus other nations. All I’ve seen from you lately is “nuh-UH!” It is a FACT that millions of Americans are not covered by insurance at all; and that a significant percentage are not covered adequately. It is also a FACT that a high percentage of people who go into bankruptcy in the US do so because of healthcare expenses, and 60% of them HAD insurance. Having some of the best doctors, equipment, and technology in the world mean nothing without access to them. Sure, rich people or people in urban centers get great healthcare – but that’s not an accurate picture of America. In many other nations every single citizen has healthcare access, and in many you can pay more if you want to get more – just like the US, except they pay less for their healthcare and basic needs are covered.
donbeco over 14 years ago
Health clinics in towns all over the U.S. clearly show the need of comprehesive care for all. Visit one near you and see one part of our current system. It would take a total social disconnect to say we are number one after spending time with the “salt of the earth.”
4uk4ata over 14 years ago
More people get services of the same quality and competition can persuade private companies to get off their collective 15%-administrative-expenses bums and bring down costs?
Of course, that’s presuming the bill isn’t diluted to the consistency of helium by the time it’s out of the Senate. It’s close enough.