Pat Oliphant for October 22, 2010

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    Kosher71  over 13 years ago

    Heheheheh . This one had a delayed reaction for me . Flew over my head then circled back around and smacked me upside the head .

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    Simon_Jester  over 13 years ago

    ^Sorry, no human brains left, the mice all gots ‘em.

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    crlinder  over 13 years ago

    ^By God Simon, I do believe you’ve stumbled upon a solution to the zombie problem!

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    cdward  over 13 years ago

    This one had a very delayed reaction for me. Finally got it.

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    AuH2O  over 13 years ago

    Like Obama in ‘08, O’Donnell is unqualified. At least she understands the dangers of deficit spending and big government. The liberal media feels compelled to attack her because she will vote against the liberal policies that have failed for 50 years.

    For some strange reason, Democrats only are concerned about the deficit at election time. Bush is not the only one responsible for the debt accumulated during his administration. He never had a working majority in both houses, and Democrats controlled Congress the last 2 years. Bush clearly was not a fiscal conservative.

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    meetinthemiddle  over 13 years ago

    ^ Barry, she’s also talking about a return to Republican policies that have failed spectacularly for 30+ years

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    SaltWaterCroc  over 13 years ago

    Think Obama is unqualified? Actually, he has done quite a bit: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/220013?RSshowpage=1

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    jmrocher2001  over 13 years ago

    What’s she doing in New York?

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    tommyr  over 13 years ago

    Does that broomstick vibrate?

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    Motivemagus  over 13 years ago

    Har! Check his palms for hair… cdward, knowing your calling, it amuses me that it took you a bit to spot the joke. It definitely took a moment for me, and then I nearly lost it!

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    steelerman66  over 13 years ago

    tommyr only if she goes realy fast

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    txmystic  over 13 years ago

    Goldwater

    Save your breath…deficit spending was rampant under Reagan and Bush2, one cartoon does not encompass all media, and I defy you to delineate, out of all the policy of the last 50 years, what can be considered “liberal” and how and why it has failed.

    Please, DO let the door hit you on the way out…

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    Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago

    Delayed reaction?! Aww, come on ya’all!!

    “Like Obama in ‘08, O’Donnell is unqualified. At least she understands the dangers of deficit spending and big government”

    Oh? And is that because of indoctrination or does she actually understand? How come she can’t name a single item to be identified as ‘waste?’

    “The liberal media feels compelled to attack her because she will vote against the liberal policies that have failed for 50 years.”

    Odd, considering we’ve been using Trickle-Down economics during that time. I wasn’t aware that “socialism for the rich” was considered liberal economics. How interesting that the ‘liberal media’ feels compelled to attack her, and yet the Conservative media calls Coons a Marxist (he isn’t, nor never was, nor never experimented with it) even though he’s actually legitimately pulled a couple of Clintons (balanced budgets and created surpluses) in his time. Oh, and how about the Conservative attacks on Meghan McCain. Attacking her body image because they disagree with what she said. Yep, totally a liberal problem.
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    HabaneroBuck  over 13 years ago

    Jade, how is Coons not a Marxist? You trouble me with your refusal to accept basic tenets of reality at times… They tried to poo-poo the title of the college essay as tongue-in-cheek, but the words reveal it to be not at all satirical:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36726.html

    O’Donnell is actually much more intelligent than Pelosi and Reid. They are our representative “leaders”, and they have proven themselves to be mentally deficient at every opportunity.

    I like how Lefties say that conservatives are in favor of the “corporate rich” time after time, yet everday folks like O’Donnell (who was not preferred by the GOP to Mike Castle) who stand on individual responsibility and liberty are mercilessly attacked.

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    waycyber  over 13 years ago

    Play nice, or I’ll come over there.

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    Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago

    “Jade, how is Coons not a Marxist? You trouble me with your refusal to accept basic tenets of reality at times… They tried to poo-poo the title of the college essay as tongue-in-cheek, but the words reveal it to be not at all satirical:” -http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/oct/14/christine-odonnell/christine-odonnell-claims-chris-coons-has-marxist-/ Liar liar pants on fire.

    “who stand on individual responsibility and liberty are mercilessly attacked.”

    If one believe that a woman does not have the right to her own body, nor that gays deserve the equal rights guaranteed them by the 14th Amendment, then one does not stand for individual responsibility nor liberty, and to say otherwise is a boldfaced lie. Libertarianism is at direct odds with social conservativism, because social conservatives want to govern individual behavior based on religious demands. Now this also holds true for liberalism, because charging more taxes for soda because they ‘contribute to obesity’ is somewhat the same (whereas it doesn’t make an activity illegal unlike social conservatives and homosexuality/abortion (and yet somehow, not divorce)).
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    momazilla  over 13 years ago

    Obamawas SWORN to UPHOLD the constitution but has tried an end-arround on both the first ammendment [freedom of speech] and the second [right to bear arms]. and you think he has “Done a lot for this contry” Yeah move us down the road to HELL>

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    rowena28 Premium Member over 13 years ago

    Jade: (and yet somehow, not divorce)

    Unfortunately, there are plenty of social conservatives who would like to outlaw divorce, or at least make it much harder to obtain (i.e., end no-fault divorce). Gives the lie to their rhetoric about a small govt. that stays out of people’s lives.

    But it will never happen since the social conservatives in power are often divorced, at least once, if not twice or thrice, themeselves.

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    rockngolfer  over 13 years ago

    @Jade Meghan McCain was on a talk show (I can’t remember which one) saying that the spin doctors were telling her , before going onstage, how to dress, how to act, and to tone it down.

    And across from her stood Bristol Palin, unwed, pregnant, and underage. A WTF moment

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    HabaneroBuck  over 13 years ago

    Some liberals at Politifact rate the notion as “Liar,liar”, even though in the writing he plainly states that the American dream of opportunity is a lie? At the least, the article expresses strong Marxist sympathies and a bizarre disdain of the opportunities presented by Western culture. If he is not exactly a Marxist, he is hardly the “clean-shaven capitalist” he wants to be portrayed as.

    Nobody has absolute rights over their own bodies. Public indecency, illicit drug use, and the illegality of selling your body parts are three other examples of laws against “the right of your own body.” Abortion for convenience is murder, no matter how one might feel justified in the act.

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    tcolkett  over 13 years ago

    O’Donnell has the great political sense to come out against the only American pass-time more popular than baseball. (paraphrasing from Jon Stewart?)

    Hey Habanero, how’s things going up there in space?Please…don’t even bother coming back to this planet. There’s enough wackos already.

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    Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago

    “Abortion for convenience is murder, no matter how one might feel justified in the act.”

    By that logic, so is the Death Penalty. It is killing for convenience. When does life begin? Is it when the sperm penetrates the egg? If so then wouldn’t those halves be themselves potential human components thereby making every period and ejaculation potential murder since must have life to create life? What about an accidental miscarriage? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/01/us/01abortion.html?_r=1 Utah wants to prosecute that.
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    txmystic  over 13 years ago

    HabaneroBuck

    Coons was talking about his experience with how the wealthy elite in Kenya were so utterly dismissive of the poor, and what he stated about that experience in the essay is as follows:

    “…experiences like this warned me that my own favorite beliefs in the miracles of free enterprise and the boundless opportunities to be had in America were largely untrue.”

    he is stating that his BELIEFS about the opportunities offered in America were largely untrue, because he saw, firsthand, evidence to the contrary of what he believed. So he changed his way of thinking.

    Questioning one’s beliefs is a brave thing to do. Spinning someone’s words out of context as a part of a political attack is dirty pool.

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    txmystic  over 13 years ago

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    “Slit Skirts” by Pete Townshend. A very, very, very good and underrated song…

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    cdward  over 13 years ago

    motive, we Episcopalians don’t focus on other people’s sex lives.

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    pirate227  over 13 years ago

    Small government, right wing-nut style.

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    OmqR-IV.0  over 13 years ago

    One word this place doesn’t seem to censor is wanker. Read from that what you will. Ahem, carry on, nevermind me.

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    HabaneroBuck  over 13 years ago

    The Death Penalty is killing for justice, not convenience. Abortion murders those who have done no wrong, the Death Penalty kills those who have committed great wrong. There is no true justice for families and friends of the wrongfully murdered until the perpetrator is no longer on the earth, enjoying free meals, shelter and warmth!

    txmystic, his narrative doesn’t even make sense. So the elite caste of Kenya is dismissive of the unwashed poor, therefore the American dream of opportunity is a lie. Explain how that experience in Kenya has any bearing whatsoever on America!? If it taught him about human nature, then congratulations, the lesson applies to those in power in government as well, if not more so.

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    txmystic  over 13 years ago

    HabaneroBuck said,

    So the elite caste of Kenya is dismissive of the unwashed poor, therefore the American dream of opportunity is a lie. Explain how that experience in Kenya has any bearing whatsoever on America!?

    The “…” part of the quote I included above is “I realize that Kenya and America are very different, but”, thus the entire quote is

    “I realize that Kenya and America are very different, but experiences like this warned me that my own favorite beliefs in the miracles of free enterprise and the boundless opportunities to be had in America were largely untrue.”

    So he did acknowledge the difference. Please make sure you have read and understood the article before making a case based upon it.

    As far as how he drew the conclusion that free enterprise might not be all it’s cracked up to be as a result of these experiences, I’d have to read his essay in full. It’s too easy to miss the point when bits of an article are quoted in a biased report designed to cast doubt on the electability of a political candidate.

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    Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago

    They child could grow up to be disobedient, and as the Bible says, it is Okay to kill a disobedient child.

    The Bible also says “an eye for an eye” but we don’t hit people with a car if they hit someone else with a car, we lock them away. So if there is truly to be “no killing” [for convenience] then killing someone so they aren’t enjoying “free meals” is killing for a matter of convenience.

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    Bluejayz  over 13 years ago

    If O’donnell is so smart, how come she has no idea at all of what’s in our Constitution or how the Legislative / Executive / Judicial checks and balances of our government are supposed to work?

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    Motivemagus  over 13 years ago

    cdward - whereas unfortunately the Catholic Church does. Hence the movement between the Episcopal and Catholic Churches: you get ex-Catholic women priests, we get reactionary ex-Episcopalian married male priests. Sigh…

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    dfowensby  over 13 years ago

    who was it that said ¨If masturbation makes you go blind, can i just do it unitl i need glasses?¨ George Carlin?

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    gosfreikempe  over 13 years ago

    Habanero: You’re right: killing for convenience instead of justice would cause a massive loss of productivity in American jails.

    With the for-profit prison system, you have a marvelous work force, wages aren’t as high as on the outside, and unions aren’t a problem. Money can be made by those prison owners.

    Yes, the USA has learned a LOT from China!

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    gosfreikempe  over 13 years ago

    AuH2O said, early in the flamwar: The liberal media feels compelled to attack her because she will vote against the liberal policies that have failed for 50 years.

    Your so-called liberal media, my friend, is mostly owned by people with strong ties to the Republican party.

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    gosfreikempe  over 13 years ago

    momazilla said: Obamawas SWORN to UPHOLD the constitution but has tried an end-arround on both the first ammendment [freedom of speech] and the second [right to bear arms].

    He has expanded the right to bear arms; it’s now legal to carry firearms in national parks.

    And isn’t it the republicans who wanted to repeal the first amendment? If not, they’re certainly abusing it themselves by having the occasional reporter evicted from their town hall meetings (Joe Miller, Alaska).

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    Dtroutma  over 13 years ago

    That looks like the same roll of toilet paper in her hand Bush and Cheney used. Well, no, it’s not the Constitution. TEA means never having to say you’ve read the Constitution?

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    myming  over 13 years ago

    at least three ways to look at this one - all three are funny !

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    Spaghettus1  over 13 years ago

    Habanero, Coons doesn’t have “disdain” for opportunity; he promotes it. He is concerned that it has been decreasing in America for years. Data backs him up. http://tinyurl.com/246pg8s

    Private schools and well-funded public schools in upper-class neighborhoods give these kids their first and perhaps primary advantage.

    Access to medical care, as well as dental and vision, is another advantage. Poor children often carry untreated mental and physical ailments into their education and working lives. In our current service economy, crooked or broken teeth are enough to put even some 10$/hour jobs out of reach.

    Working up from the bottom is not as easy as it was 40 years ago. Housing is much more expensive than it used to be. I ran across this interesting fact: “In 2005, there were only four counties in the nation where a person working full time at the minimum wage could afford a 1 bedroom apparment.” I lost the attribution, but the rental ads around here sure back it up. With today’s tuition, it’s harder than ever to work your way through school, while a degree is more important than ever.

    How can we be the “land of opportunity” when it is 3 to 4 times easier to make it from rags to riches in several European countries?

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    fritzoid Premium Member over 13 years ago

    With a modicum of hard work, native talent, and education, it ought to be possible for a given member of the underclass to rise to the middle class. But that requires HAVING a middle class to move into. Our middle class is shrinking; the losses are both upwards and downwards, but for every individual who rises to become a self-made millionaire there are dozens who drop to the “working poor” (or worse, the NOT working poor).

    It’s nearly impossible for someone to rise from the underclass to the upper class in one generation, but it happens just often enough for the moneyed interests to hold out the handful of Horatio Alger success stories as examples and say “See? ANYBODY can do it!” (the implication being that anyone who can’t or doesn’t is “too lazy”).

    Back to the cartoon.. If Li’l Chrissie Witchiepoo showed up on MY doorstep soliciting funds for the Anti-Masturbation Lobby, I’d probably give her $20 bucks at the doorway, “pay for it” again in my bedroom after she leaves, and consider it “well spent”.

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    gosfreikempe  over 13 years ago

    First Priority of every politician: Get into office; Second Priority: STAY in office; Third Priority: pay back (via loan repayments or favourable legislation) those who got you into office and keep you there; Fourth Priority: The business lobby, ‘cause they can make life awkward if they’re not happy; Fifth Priority; the little people who voted for you.

    Those would be Chrissie O’Donnell’s priorities in the real world too. In the dream world she’s trying to sell (and to be fair, so is every other politician, Democrat or Republican), she wants you to believe that YOU are her first and only priority.

    Unfortunately for you, her priorities seem to stop at the third priority. She won’t help business by cutting business taxes and incomes taxes for the rich; she’ll only help them and their big corporations get richer. And they’ll do it on the backs of the so-called middle class, and they’ll step on the lower class to avoid walking in puddles.

    So why would you vote for a person like O’Donnell, when she doesn’t want to help YOU get wealthier?

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    fritzoid Premium Member over 13 years ago

    If the Lobby wants to discourage “knowing thyself”, they picked the wrong poster girl. Making Li’l Chrissie the “Face” of the issue is counterproductive.

    Instead, they should tax it, like cigarettes and alcohol, or establish something like the State Lottery system - turn a vice into a revenue stream. Even instituting the Sarducci Rate of 25 cents a pop, it adds up…

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    SABRSteve  over 13 years ago

    I wonder if ahab is from Utah? I wonder if he realizes our dependency on coal. Sounds like an east coast elitist to me.

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    fritzoid Premium Member over 13 years ago

    “Elitist” = “Someone whose education exposes my ignorance” = “Votes from the head, not from the gut.”

    I doubt Bill Buckley would have had any problem with being labelled “elitist.”

    I don’t think I’m smart enough myself to be among the “elite”, but when I meet people smarter than me I hope that I can learn from them. So maybe I’m “elitist”…

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    txmystic  over 13 years ago

    well put, runar…(heh heh)

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    jaws2049  over 13 years ago

    This is a great laugh…only some people don’t get it…sad but true and she did come to the wrong place. J

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    fritzoid Premium Member over 13 years ago

    Awwww… The cartoon is a masturbation joke, but if we make masturbation jokes in the comments they get removed? Grow a skin, people.

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