The Supreme Court made up law with Roe-V-Wade and it should never have been decided there. Personally, I’m not Pro-Life but the Supreme Court had to sell themselves out to carve out this “right” for women.
This is a legislative issue, not a constitutional issue. In some states the right will exist, in others, where the majority think it is murder it will not.
A justice’s position on abortion should not be a litmus test for either side.
I don’t know Bruce – I was raised in the United Church of Christ and was taught from the Heidelberg Catechism that all men (and women I suppose) are conceived in sin…tainted from the Original sin of Adam and Eve, this is why Christ had to be sacrificed to wash us clean. Perhaps your faith teaches a different reason (other than original sin) for why we needed Christ to die for us but I’m not sure we can call the unborn “innocent” when no one else gets that pass from God.
I think you miss the point. The point isn’t whether or not you believe it is murder. The point is whether or not the question of abortion is a constitutional one or a legislative one.
@Bruce: you are incorrect. A significant percentage of the Republican party has said explicitly they don’t want insurance to cover contraception (e.g., the Hobby Lobby case) though they still want Viagra to be covered, apparently. Some groups don’t want contraception to be available either. And that includes methods that are NOT available “over the counter” but ARE necessary for specific medical reasons. The Pill is used to help women with hormonal imbalances, for example, but there are laws proposed that would make that impossible or at least not covered by insurance.
Secondly, “murder of the innocent” is a ludicrous overstatement of abortion. The extreme fanatics on this want human life to be defined at conception, something which has no basis in biology, science generally, or even religion until the past few decades — Jews, for example, don’t announce pregnancy until after the first trimester. If you make that the standard, then I will declare “murder” whenever you pull out a hair and take a few cells with it, because it is exactly comparable.
Thirdly, abortion IS a Constitutional right. You CAN question the legal logic — a lot of people at the time thought that the Right to Privacy (which was established as a principle implicit in much of the Constitution) was a better approach than what was taken, which relied overly on medical research of the time. However, it is an established right. Period.
If you don’t want one, don’t have one. Oh, wait, that’s irrelevant to you, isn’t it?
I’m totally pro-life. Like all good Conservaties, I believe everyone has the right to life (except people in the Middle East we don’t like, of course).
Bruce wants to go back to the days when abortions were shameful acts carried out in dangerous back-alleys. Get any so called “pro-lifer” talking & it always comes around to “selfish, uncontrollable lust”, because teenage girls must take responsibility for being floozies.
If you really wanted to prevent abortions, you’d promote honest sex education that talks about risks of STDs & pregnancies, but also talks about emotional readiness. “Abstinence Only” is a sure fire way of causing more unintended pregnancies. Make contraceptives easily available & if you’re really serious, subsidize them. There are few, if any “pro-lifers” who support anything that would promote behavior that reduces unintended pregnancies.
Maybe one of them will tell us that there’s a fine, religious couple out their that has a right to force a woman to have a baby so they can adopt it.
Trump is the only president to hold a net-negative rating this early in his tenure."Just 44 percent approve of the way the 45th President is handling his job, seven points below the previous low point of 51 percent. A record 43 percent said they disapprove “strongly” of his performance.
I fail to understand how the current nomination will change the court’s stance on abortion (at least from the last several decades). Surely Gorsuch is no more conservative than was Scalia. With that in mind, I am unconvinced a woman’s right to an abortion is in any real danger.
Mephistopheles about 7 years ago
The Supreme Court made up law with Roe-V-Wade and it should never have been decided there. Personally, I’m not Pro-Life but the Supreme Court had to sell themselves out to carve out this “right” for women.
This is a legislative issue, not a constitutional issue. In some states the right will exist, in others, where the majority think it is murder it will not.
A justice’s position on abortion should not be a litmus test for either side.
Mr. Blawt about 7 years ago
Trump will do for women what he has done for Muslims, liberty, truth and decency.
Mephistopheles about 7 years ago
I don’t know Bruce – I was raised in the United Church of Christ and was taught from the Heidelberg Catechism that all men (and women I suppose) are conceived in sin…tainted from the Original sin of Adam and Eve, this is why Christ had to be sacrificed to wash us clean. Perhaps your faith teaches a different reason (other than original sin) for why we needed Christ to die for us but I’m not sure we can call the unborn “innocent” when no one else gets that pass from God.
I think you miss the point. The point isn’t whether or not you believe it is murder. The point is whether or not the question of abortion is a constitutional one or a legislative one.
Motivemagus about 7 years ago
@Bruce: you are incorrect. A significant percentage of the Republican party has said explicitly they don’t want insurance to cover contraception (e.g., the Hobby Lobby case) though they still want Viagra to be covered, apparently. Some groups don’t want contraception to be available either. And that includes methods that are NOT available “over the counter” but ARE necessary for specific medical reasons. The Pill is used to help women with hormonal imbalances, for example, but there are laws proposed that would make that impossible or at least not covered by insurance.
Secondly, “murder of the innocent” is a ludicrous overstatement of abortion. The extreme fanatics on this want human life to be defined at conception, something which has no basis in biology, science generally, or even religion until the past few decades — Jews, for example, don’t announce pregnancy until after the first trimester. If you make that the standard, then I will declare “murder” whenever you pull out a hair and take a few cells with it, because it is exactly comparable.
Thirdly, abortion IS a Constitutional right. You CAN question the legal logic — a lot of people at the time thought that the Right to Privacy (which was established as a principle implicit in much of the Constitution) was a better approach than what was taken, which relied overly on medical research of the time. However, it is an established right. Period.
If you don’t want one, don’t have one. Oh, wait, that’s irrelevant to you, isn’t it?
NeoconMan about 7 years ago
I’m totally pro-life. Like all good Conservaties, I believe everyone has the right to life (except people in the Middle East we don’t like, of course).
Uncle Joe Premium Member about 7 years ago
Bruce wants to go back to the days when abortions were shameful acts carried out in dangerous back-alleys. Get any so called “pro-lifer” talking & it always comes around to “selfish, uncontrollable lust”, because teenage girls must take responsibility for being floozies.
If you really wanted to prevent abortions, you’d promote honest sex education that talks about risks of STDs & pregnancies, but also talks about emotional readiness. “Abstinence Only” is a sure fire way of causing more unintended pregnancies. Make contraceptives easily available & if you’re really serious, subsidize them. There are few, if any “pro-lifers” who support anything that would promote behavior that reduces unintended pregnancies.
Maybe one of them will tell us that there’s a fine, religious couple out their that has a right to force a woman to have a baby so they can adopt it.
Radish the wordsmith about 7 years ago
Trump is the only president to hold a net-negative rating this early in his tenure."Just 44 percent approve of the way the 45th President is handling his job, seven points below the previous low point of 51 percent. A record 43 percent said they disapprove “strongly” of his performance.
pwbritt Premium Member about 7 years ago
I fail to understand how the current nomination will change the court’s stance on abortion (at least from the last several decades). Surely Gorsuch is no more conservative than was Scalia. With that in mind, I am unconvinced a woman’s right to an abortion is in any real danger.
Teto85 Premium Member about 7 years ago
A Handmaid’s Tale is NOT a manual for governance.
David Huie Green LosersBlameOthers&It'sYOURfault about 7 years ago
Come now, you know perfectly well President Trump doesn’t really want all those women reproducing.