(a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.
(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following:
(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.
(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States.
(3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity.
(c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.
The biggest problem with ethnic studies is that WASPs are unwilling to celebrate the diversity of cultures coming to our country every day.
These academic programs began as a response to the racism and bigotry of the 60s & 70s. They were necessary then, and they are necessary now.
Only fools are quick to violate academic freedom in the name of out-dated “melting-pot” myths of the past!! Shame on the 70% of Americans who think that AZ acted in the best interest of their state, our country and humanity!
Rand Paul is already dodging the issue of the 1964 Civil Rights Act in regards to requiring businesses to integrate.
There is very little difference between ethnic studies and religious teaching. They are both more appropriate to madrassas than to tax payer schools. Ethnic studies are a bit like trying to teach someone to make a pot roast while talking about only one ingredient. We have to understand the significance of even the least spice or vegetable to bring it all together. Ethnic studies intentionally focus on positive attributes of a single race. This is not a bad thing when the overall context is balanced. There is little benefit to society as a whole for such programs as they are not focused on society as a whole. Ethnic studies also tend to distort the role of other races and even denigrate those races and this is why such programs should be taken out of our classrooms.
Studying cultures, including your own, to learn more, is not a bad idea. What is a problem is if it becomes exclusive as your knowledge. When I graduated from college and was standing in line to see the “job placement” folks to look for a permanent job, the two folks immediately ahead of me had to have someone read the application form. One was getting a BS in “La Raza”, the second a BS in “Black Studies”- neither could even read the form!!! I was told that because I already had a seasonal job lined up for summer, I didn’t need the placement service. I guess it was also because I could read the form!
I believe it is a good idea for all Americans to be familiar with other languages and cultures, even if not functionally “bi-lingual”.
We need to understand our own, and other cultures. We need to stop using blowing people up as “career fields of last resort”. We need to keep jobs at home instead of overseas to increase corporate profits, and having temporary workers come in for seasonal work will not take away “full-time” jobs for Americans. (Well maybe corporations using “special” visas to bring in engineers and graduate degree folks from Korea and China might impact a few “white collar” Americans forced to serve burgers at a drive through.”
The U.S. proclaims itself the home of “multi-cultural” freedom, we shouldn’t either forget that, NOR consider self exclusion from that broader culture a wise idea.
If we were looking at the textbooks used in these classes what would we see? Ethnocentrism and rascism. As far as Hispanics are concerned it all began in 1492 when they…the annointed’ arrived to slaughter, rape, and pillage. The Natives were enslaved to work in mines and other occupations too low for a Spaniard. They died by the millions. You will not see that facts or story in the modern whiny hispanic ethnic studies program. You will see the equivilent of the halocaost deniers concerniong WWII atrocities. The war we fought while Mexico sat on it’s ass.
Magnaut, it is interesting that all those “hispanics” who first arrived were Caucasian, and many in parts of Mexico are decidedly so. The “profiling” occurring in the U.S., actually impacts folks who’s ancestors had been here for thousands of years before they came.
One problem was (is?) that supposedly neutral and universal courses in history and literature in fact were courses in white history and white literature. (And mostly male, at that.) Ethnic studies without saying so. So the “ethnic studies” courses were devised in order to correct an imbalance.
I’ve noticed that many “mainstream” courses now have a better balance, and perhaps there’s less need for “ethnic studies” courses. But maybe the need is still there, I don’t know. Are they teaching Gwendolyn Brooks in US literature classes now, along with Langston Hughes and James Baldwin and Richard Wright? Do history courses still teach the crusades from just the Western perspective, or are the Byzantine and Islamic perspectives included as well? Do courses in the Age of Exploration include material on the indigenous populations? Probably more than in my youth, because there was pressure to do so. I’d be interested to hear the experiences of those younger than I (and that includes most of you).
^ I’d love to know how history is now being taught in South Africa. In fact, I’d love to know how history is taught at all since I suspect how I was taught was rather suspect.
Church, kudos for coming back with strong and non insulting counterpoints…however (always a but), none other than Dick Cheney said years ago that the Gulf War was simply a strategic battle to win possession of the world’s prominent known oil reserves.
I just get a kick out of all them thar “Christians” working for Popes, Pastors and Presidents who used their book learnin to treat all them conquered people with such “Christian kindness” at the edge of a sword, or burned at the stake, or drowned, hanged, or chopped into pieces (drawn and quartered was SOOOOO “Christian”!!)
Presentism is futurism on the tip of the spear of “faith”.
All this talk about history is not addressing the Arizona issue. The ban is valid. We are not talking about the well read and well educated people that all of you seem to be. We are talking about the masses that are having trouble figuring out who the first President was. Tax funded education is not intended to make some ditsy people feel good about their curly hair; or not for that matter. A little education is a dangerous thing and we need to be sure that the little the masses do get is balanced. Ethnic studies, no matter how true and accurate, do not present valid historical perspectives to base opinions on. If you want to know why your hair is curly, then do your own studying. It should not be up to taxpayers to fund your ethnic feel-good journey.
Jimmie1492 almost 14 years ago
Without “Arrested”, it’s almost AZ’s law.
CA Penal Code 834b
(a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.
(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following:
(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.
(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States.
(3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity.
(c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.
donbeco almost 14 years ago
Is there a state ban on religious studies too? Certainly would seem consistent and of course “social” studies which lead to you know what.
WarBush almost 14 years ago
Eminem’s White America?
hastynote Premium Member almost 14 years ago
The biggest problem with ethnic studies is that WASPs are unwilling to celebrate the diversity of cultures coming to our country every day.
These academic programs began as a response to the racism and bigotry of the 60s & 70s. They were necessary then, and they are necessary now.
Only fools are quick to violate academic freedom in the name of out-dated “melting-pot” myths of the past!! Shame on the 70% of Americans who think that AZ acted in the best interest of their state, our country and humanity!
Rand Paul is already dodging the issue of the 1964 Civil Rights Act in regards to requiring businesses to integrate.
mrdoody almost 14 years ago
There is very little difference between ethnic studies and religious teaching. They are both more appropriate to madrassas than to tax payer schools. Ethnic studies are a bit like trying to teach someone to make a pot roast while talking about only one ingredient. We have to understand the significance of even the least spice or vegetable to bring it all together. Ethnic studies intentionally focus on positive attributes of a single race. This is not a bad thing when the overall context is balanced. There is little benefit to society as a whole for such programs as they are not focused on society as a whole. Ethnic studies also tend to distort the role of other races and even denigrate those races and this is why such programs should be taken out of our classrooms.
Dtroutma almost 14 years ago
Studying cultures, including your own, to learn more, is not a bad idea. What is a problem is if it becomes exclusive as your knowledge. When I graduated from college and was standing in line to see the “job placement” folks to look for a permanent job, the two folks immediately ahead of me had to have someone read the application form. One was getting a BS in “La Raza”, the second a BS in “Black Studies”- neither could even read the form!!! I was told that because I already had a seasonal job lined up for summer, I didn’t need the placement service. I guess it was also because I could read the form!
I believe it is a good idea for all Americans to be familiar with other languages and cultures, even if not functionally “bi-lingual”.
We need to understand our own, and other cultures. We need to stop using blowing people up as “career fields of last resort”. We need to keep jobs at home instead of overseas to increase corporate profits, and having temporary workers come in for seasonal work will not take away “full-time” jobs for Americans. (Well maybe corporations using “special” visas to bring in engineers and graduate degree folks from Korea and China might impact a few “white collar” Americans forced to serve burgers at a drive through.”
The U.S. proclaims itself the home of “multi-cultural” freedom, we shouldn’t either forget that, NOR consider self exclusion from that broader culture a wise idea.
vatonaught almost 14 years ago
If we were looking at the textbooks used in these classes what would we see? Ethnocentrism and rascism. As far as Hispanics are concerned it all began in 1492 when they…the annointed’ arrived to slaughter, rape, and pillage. The Natives were enslaved to work in mines and other occupations too low for a Spaniard. They died by the millions. You will not see that facts or story in the modern whiny hispanic ethnic studies program. You will see the equivilent of the halocaost deniers concerniong WWII atrocities. The war we fought while Mexico sat on it’s ass.
Magnaut almost 14 years ago
hispanic is not a race and invasion is not immigration
Dtroutma almost 14 years ago
Magnaut, it is interesting that all those “hispanics” who first arrived were Caucasian, and many in parts of Mexico are decidedly so. The “profiling” occurring in the U.S., actually impacts folks who’s ancestors had been here for thousands of years before they came.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member almost 14 years ago
smallchange; infotainment people choose their stories. They will not show suburbia crimes.
lonecat almost 14 years ago
One problem was (is?) that supposedly neutral and universal courses in history and literature in fact were courses in white history and white literature. (And mostly male, at that.) Ethnic studies without saying so. So the “ethnic studies” courses were devised in order to correct an imbalance.
I’ve noticed that many “mainstream” courses now have a better balance, and perhaps there’s less need for “ethnic studies” courses. But maybe the need is still there, I don’t know. Are they teaching Gwendolyn Brooks in US literature classes now, along with Langston Hughes and James Baldwin and Richard Wright? Do history courses still teach the crusades from just the Western perspective, or are the Byzantine and Islamic perspectives included as well? Do courses in the Age of Exploration include material on the indigenous populations? Probably more than in my youth, because there was pressure to do so. I’d be interested to hear the experiences of those younger than I (and that includes most of you).
OmqR-IV.0 almost 14 years ago
^ I’d love to know how history is now being taught in South Africa. In fact, I’d love to know how history is taught at all since I suspect how I was taught was rather suspect.
zekedog55 almost 14 years ago
Thank you, M Kitt, for holding Church’s feet to the fire.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member almost 14 years ago
What is that twenty-first century thought?
You can’t change people’s thought with weapons. You can scare them, but people don’t like what scares them.
zekedog55 almost 14 years ago
Church, kudos for coming back with strong and non insulting counterpoints…however (always a but), none other than Dick Cheney said years ago that the Gulf War was simply a strategic battle to win possession of the world’s prominent known oil reserves.
Your salad dressing backhand was funny.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member almost 14 years ago
Hem….Puppy, genocides ARE taking place in Africa right now and people are concerned. If they weren’t, you wouldn’t know about those genocides.
Dtroutma almost 14 years ago
I just get a kick out of all them thar “Christians” working for Popes, Pastors and Presidents who used their book learnin to treat all them conquered people with such “Christian kindness” at the edge of a sword, or burned at the stake, or drowned, hanged, or chopped into pieces (drawn and quartered was SOOOOO “Christian”!!)
Presentism is futurism on the tip of the spear of “faith”.
parkersinthehouse almost 14 years ago
ease up trout
crime in Christ’s name is crime for sure - that doesn’t mean all Christians are criminals
mrdoody almost 14 years ago
All this talk about history is not addressing the Arizona issue. The ban is valid. We are not talking about the well read and well educated people that all of you seem to be. We are talking about the masses that are having trouble figuring out who the first President was. Tax funded education is not intended to make some ditsy people feel good about their curly hair; or not for that matter. A little education is a dangerous thing and we need to be sure that the little the masses do get is balanced. Ethnic studies, no matter how true and accurate, do not present valid historical perspectives to base opinions on. If you want to know why your hair is curly, then do your own studying. It should not be up to taxpayers to fund your ethnic feel-good journey.