If I have to show my drivers license then they have to show their papers. Anyone who doesn’t want to have their picture on their voter registration is hiding something. It’s the same as someone who wants to buy alcohol or tobacco and doesn’t want to show their identification.
Relax. Boody chose to go to Duat, so he’s only going to be having his heart taken out to be weighed against the feather of Ma’at. How could that possibly hurt?
@N: this used to be what separated the US from those bad ol’ European and South American nations: you could walk down the street and not worry about a cop or soldier getting in your face and demanding to be shown your “papers.” Even with our post-9/11 “security” hysteria, court cases confirm that absent a crime or seriously suspicious behavior, the police don’t have the right to demand identification. Trouble is, how do you have your cake and eat it? That is, how do you preserve this perhaps unwritten but very much expected right of citizens to move about un-hassled, while not also giving it to non-citizens, including those who are not here legally? It’s a tough issue. I, not living in AZ, am not willing to throw out the baby with the bathwater—that is, I am not willing to move one step closer to a police-state so that AZ can more easily handle its problem of porous borders.
Which is an indication of how far downhill things have already slid. Go back and watch some of the post-WWII/early Cold War semi-propaganda movies, and notice how this is what defined the Evil Empire: innocent person is walking down the street, minding his own business, and suddenly, “Your papers, please!!” And from there the film devolves into some police-state nightmare… the moral being, this kind of thing never happens back here. (Of course it did, especially if you weren’t of the correct skin color or ethnicity, but not often enough that we had to consciously accept it).
Must be something in the water. I have friends who moved down there ten or so years ago, and every summer, when they come back to Ill-Annoy to escape the AZ heat, they seem a little bit more intolerant.
@Happy, happy, happy!!! (Good luck, Aaron)-It also depends on where you live in AZ, or at least it used to. Northern AZ used to be very tolerant but it’s been many a long year since I spent time in the Flagstaff area.
And ohhhh BTW what about SGT Mathew Tahareese who went the other way across the border….ummmmm is it ok when they detain an AMERICAN fer gosh sakes. :;-I
In case no one knows we have an AMERICAN marine in custody chained naked to a bed fer almost a month in Mexico…he has been moved to a better place only because of pressure by other AMERICANS…we just delivered a 100,000 signature petition to get him outta there today…Please pray that Mathew is soon released. ;:^)
The Life I Draw Upon almost 10 years ago
If I have to show my drivers license then they have to show their papers. Anyone who doesn’t want to have their picture on their voter registration is hiding something. It’s the same as someone who wants to buy alcohol or tobacco and doesn’t want to show their identification.
chuckh9409 almost 10 years ago
yet no round ups , and no camps.
Sisyphos almost 10 years ago
Relax. Boody chose to go to Duat, so he’s only going to be having his heart taken out to be weighed against the feather of Ma’at. How could that possibly hurt?
mntim almost 10 years ago
My invitation is still open. Let’s all go to Arizona and pretend we can’t speak English.
GoodQuestion Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Don’t sound bad to me . . if Boody is in Arizona, they will just send him home . . . good thing. Yes? . . . ☻
puddleglum1066 almost 10 years ago
@N: this used to be what separated the US from those bad ol’ European and South American nations: you could walk down the street and not worry about a cop or soldier getting in your face and demanding to be shown your “papers.” Even with our post-9/11 “security” hysteria, court cases confirm that absent a crime or seriously suspicious behavior, the police don’t have the right to demand identification. Trouble is, how do you have your cake and eat it? That is, how do you preserve this perhaps unwritten but very much expected right of citizens to move about un-hassled, while not also giving it to non-citizens, including those who are not here legally? It’s a tough issue. I, not living in AZ, am not willing to throw out the baby with the bathwater—that is, I am not willing to move one step closer to a police-state so that AZ can more easily handle its problem of porous borders.
puddleglum1066 almost 10 years ago
Which is an indication of how far downhill things have already slid. Go back and watch some of the post-WWII/early Cold War semi-propaganda movies, and notice how this is what defined the Evil Empire: innocent person is walking down the street, minding his own business, and suddenly, “Your papers, please!!” And from there the film devolves into some police-state nightmare… the moral being, this kind of thing never happens back here. (Of course it did, especially if you weren’t of the correct skin color or ethnicity, but not often enough that we had to consciously accept it).
puddleglum1066 almost 10 years ago
Must be something in the water. I have friends who moved down there ten or so years ago, and every summer, when they come back to Ill-Annoy to escape the AZ heat, they seem a little bit more intolerant.
bryan42 almost 10 years ago
@Happy, happy, happy!!! (Good luck, Aaron)-It also depends on where you live in AZ, or at least it used to. Northern AZ used to be very tolerant but it’s been many a long year since I spent time in the Flagstaff area.
Happy, happy, happy!!! Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Wow! My comment was removed. Talk about censorship.
Happy, happy, happy!!! Premium Member almost 10 years ago
And I thought that I was doing a good job of self censorship.
broncosdaddy almost 10 years ago
And ohhhh BTW what about SGT Mathew Tahareese who went the other way across the border….ummmmm is it ok when they detain an AMERICAN fer gosh sakes. :;-I
broncosdaddy almost 10 years ago
In case no one knows we have an AMERICAN marine in custody chained naked to a bed fer almost a month in Mexico…he has been moved to a better place only because of pressure by other AMERICANS…we just delivered a 100,000 signature petition to get him outta there today…Please pray that Mathew is soon released. ;:^)