I don’t have a problem with the State using Capitol punishment for Violent crimes: Murder, Rape, etc.And I wholly agree with the Constitutional prescription against cruel and unusual punishment.
But this doesn’t seem that hard to solve.Overdoses of Morphine cause the heart to stop and the body to stop breathing and that seems like a painless way to die.
We could return to Firing squads or Gallows or Guillotines all which provide an exceedingly fast death.
If we are absolutely sure of the conviction (hard to do) and we are absolutely appalled at his crime then we should come up with an instant kill and be done with it.
I think the reason many get hung up on the cause of death is that we have become aware, recently, of cases where an individual was put to death and later shown to be the wrong person. So now they want to salve their conscience by saying “Well we didn’t torture him. We killed him quick”.
@Condoreggs – I think for the most part you and I are in agreement but I am not absolutely against Capitol punishment.
I think proven murders should not be maintained in incarceration indefinitely at great cost to me and you. Timothy McVey was put to death (rightfully so). Charles Manson should have been put to death. We have cases where we have sufficient evidence to KNOW that these individuals have committed evil. They should pay the ultimate price for their crime. They should not get to languish in prison writing books and spreading their filth to others.
I’m also not too hung up on it taking 10 minutes for the guy to die if it really is an accident. I don’t think we need to be absolutely sure that no mistakes can creep in to continue the process. I think we need to be reasonably sure. If we use the Absolute standard nothing gets done.
Some heinous crimes may deserve the death penalty in some minds, but ending those offenders “worries” might not be the answer.
Long ago, when I said I didn’t see simple rape (without killing the victim) as a capital offense, I was challenged with the classic, “What if they raped your wife or daughter?” My response fit many of these heinous offenders “I still wouldn’t kill them, but from what I learned in Viet Nam, I would make it so they prayed every morning, to be allowed to die.”
I do not consider a 4’ X 4’ cell, with NO human or outside contact for the rest of their, what would be short, lives, a cruel and unusual punishment, just what they gave their victims. 24/7 light, or dark, and “unusual” temperature control, gee, like at Gitmo, wouldn’t be too out of reason given Department of Justice guidelines under “W”, either.
I hope all you commenters on this site who are annoyed that Oklahoma and many other states have such laws, will remember when November comes around that the reasons such crazies are in power is because in some other election the opposing forces of craziness did not go out to vote. It was too hot, too cold, such a long line, such a problem. Before the crazies passed laws to prevent as many people as possible from voting, you had the luxury of getting through that line in 1/2 an hour or less, or sending your vote by mail, or going on the weekend, voting up to a month before the election, or registering and voting on the same day.
Now, not so much of any of the aforementioned luxuries. Some people will stand for hours in the weather, to cast their ballots on one of the three machines their State has allowed to be used at their precinct. Some people will be challenged when they go to vote and find their name has been struck from the rolls in some pre-election purge. Some will have to wait in lines where toilets have been closed (Miami/Dade Florida). Some will be asked for identification they don’t have. And, if they give up and go home, the people who get elected will make it even harder to vote the next time. If you want to have a Democracy, you have to research who passed the laws to reguire you to stand in line, you have to stand in line, and you have to vote for people who will make voter easier for you the next time. Yeah, it’s hard, but what do you think they plan to do to the Middle Class if they don’t have anyone voting against them?
All this came about while you were taking that delightful nap instead of voting last time you had the chance. Do not ever think your vote doesn’t matter. Vote yourself and spread the word to everyone you know. These insidious governments did not come about by accident and they will take your freedoms from you one by one and you will laugh and say they can’t do that and yet here we are and they are doing it. Don’t be the one who allows this.
wolfhoundblues1 almost 10 years ago
A blown vein does not make a cruel and unusual punishment case.
Mephistopheles almost 10 years ago
I don’t have a problem with the State using Capitol punishment for Violent crimes: Murder, Rape, etc.And I wholly agree with the Constitutional prescription against cruel and unusual punishment.
But this doesn’t seem that hard to solve.Overdoses of Morphine cause the heart to stop and the body to stop breathing and that seems like a painless way to die.
We could return to Firing squads or Gallows or Guillotines all which provide an exceedingly fast death.
If we are absolutely sure of the conviction (hard to do) and we are absolutely appalled at his crime then we should come up with an instant kill and be done with it.
I think the reason many get hung up on the cause of death is that we have become aware, recently, of cases where an individual was put to death and later shown to be the wrong person. So now they want to salve their conscience by saying “Well we didn’t torture him. We killed him quick”.
Prof John almost 10 years ago
You’re so concerned about the criminal … What about the victims. Who gave his victims any protections?
retpost almost 10 years ago
Remember his victim was buried alive; nothing cruel there!
Mephistopheles almost 10 years ago
@Condoreggs – I think for the most part you and I are in agreement but I am not absolutely against Capitol punishment.
I think proven murders should not be maintained in incarceration indefinitely at great cost to me and you. Timothy McVey was put to death (rightfully so). Charles Manson should have been put to death. We have cases where we have sufficient evidence to KNOW that these individuals have committed evil. They should pay the ultimate price for their crime. They should not get to languish in prison writing books and spreading their filth to others.
I’m also not too hung up on it taking 10 minutes for the guy to die if it really is an accident. I don’t think we need to be absolutely sure that no mistakes can creep in to continue the process. I think we need to be reasonably sure. If we use the Absolute standard nothing gets done.
Dtroutma almost 10 years ago
Some heinous crimes may deserve the death penalty in some minds, but ending those offenders “worries” might not be the answer.
Long ago, when I said I didn’t see simple rape (without killing the victim) as a capital offense, I was challenged with the classic, “What if they raped your wife or daughter?” My response fit many of these heinous offenders “I still wouldn’t kill them, but from what I learned in Viet Nam, I would make it so they prayed every morning, to be allowed to die.”
I do not consider a 4’ X 4’ cell, with NO human or outside contact for the rest of their, what would be short, lives, a cruel and unusual punishment, just what they gave their victims. 24/7 light, or dark, and “unusual” temperature control, gee, like at Gitmo, wouldn’t be too out of reason given Department of Justice guidelines under “W”, either.
eepatt almost 10 years ago
Typical right wing nut job straw man arguement. You are first of all, wrong. Second, you listen to Faux too much without thinking.
greenlynn Premium Member almost 10 years ago
So you’re saying that it wasn’t cruel? You have to admit that it was unusual.
Diane Lee Premium Member almost 10 years ago
I hope all you commenters on this site who are annoyed that Oklahoma and many other states have such laws, will remember when November comes around that the reasons such crazies are in power is because in some other election the opposing forces of craziness did not go out to vote. It was too hot, too cold, such a long line, such a problem. Before the crazies passed laws to prevent as many people as possible from voting, you had the luxury of getting through that line in 1/2 an hour or less, or sending your vote by mail, or going on the weekend, voting up to a month before the election, or registering and voting on the same day.
Now, not so much of any of the aforementioned luxuries. Some people will stand for hours in the weather, to cast their ballots on one of the three machines their State has allowed to be used at their precinct. Some people will be challenged when they go to vote and find their name has been struck from the rolls in some pre-election purge. Some will have to wait in lines where toilets have been closed (Miami/Dade Florida). Some will be asked for identification they don’t have. And, if they give up and go home, the people who get elected will make it even harder to vote the next time. If you want to have a Democracy, you have to research who passed the laws to reguire you to stand in line, you have to stand in line, and you have to vote for people who will make voter easier for you the next time. Yeah, it’s hard, but what do you think they plan to do to the Middle Class if they don’t have anyone voting against them?All this came about while you were taking that delightful nap instead of voting last time you had the chance. Do not ever think your vote doesn’t matter. Vote yourself and spread the word to everyone you know. These insidious governments did not come about by accident and they will take your freedoms from you one by one and you will laugh and say they can’t do that and yet here we are and they are doing it. Don’t be the one who allows this.
johnmcboston Premium Member almost 10 years ago
So where is the editorial about the girl he buried alive?