What do you suppose would have happened here if the Occupy protester had gotten violent like they have in Kiev? Probably much worse than what has happened in the Ukraine.
We were doing all that then. And Russia is doing all that now as well. As has almost every other country/nationality at some point in their history. Every country takes it’s turn as being the bad guy.
My point was that no large nation is innocent of violent nation-building at some point in its history. BTW I hear Texas will be blue before many more years. I took a tour around west Texas in the Gypsy wagon in 2012. Sure was conservative at that time. I had to be careful what I said when hooking up on the golf course.
Some leading figures in the Texas Revolution: Sam Houston, the first president of the Texas Republic (he was born in Virginia and had been governor of Tennessee in 1927)
David Crockett (born in Tennessee, elected to the US House of Representatives in 1825)
Mirabeau B. Lamar (born in Georgia; private secretary to the governor of Georgia; served in the Senate of Georgia; second president of the Texas Republic)
Anson Jones (born in Massachusetts; third president of the Texas Republic)
David Burnett (born in New Jersey; one brother was a US senator, another was mayor of Cincinnati ; first president of the Texas Republic)The people who made Texas independent were settlers from the US; some of them had been active in US politics and business. I’m not criticizing them — that was the style back then (cf. the annexation of Hawaii; also Fremont in California) — but it is simplistic to say that the Texans fought for their independence from Mexico. A bunch of US settlers fought to make part of Mexico independent and later agreed that the US could annex their independent country.
It’s fun being a generalist, but it hasn’t helped my career much. Nobody can figure out what field I belong to (including me). I know a little bit of this and a little bit of that. (Actually, I know a whole lot about something that almost nobody cares about.)
JHAppel about 10 years ago
I guess you would have said the same things about those rioters against King George in 1776.
Quipss about 10 years ago
The Ukrainian government agreed today to restore the constitution, hold an early election this year and end martial law
jonesb about 10 years ago
What do you suppose would have happened here if the Occupy protester had gotten violent like they have in Kiev? Probably much worse than what has happened in the Ukraine.
warjoski Premium Member about 10 years ago
We were doing all that then. And Russia is doing all that now as well. As has almost every other country/nationality at some point in their history. Every country takes it’s turn as being the bad guy.
Dtroutma about 10 years ago
^^It was called Watts, twice, jonesb.
RonBerg13 Premium Member about 10 years ago
That about sums it all up.
Gypsy8 about 10 years ago
The Alamo and the Battle of San Jacinto should never have happened – violent nation-building. Give Texas back to Mexico.
Michael Peterson Premium Member about 10 years ago
Whoops. Freedom won.
Gypsy8 about 10 years ago
My point was that no large nation is innocent of violent nation-building at some point in its history. BTW I hear Texas will be blue before many more years. I took a tour around west Texas in the Gypsy wagon in 2012. Sure was conservative at that time. I had to be careful what I said when hooking up on the golf course.
lonecat about 10 years ago
Some leading figures in the Texas Revolution: Sam Houston, the first president of the Texas Republic (he was born in Virginia and had been governor of Tennessee in 1927)
David Crockett (born in Tennessee, elected to the US House of Representatives in 1825)
Mirabeau B. Lamar (born in Georgia; private secretary to the governor of Georgia; served in the Senate of Georgia; second president of the Texas Republic)
Anson Jones (born in Massachusetts; third president of the Texas Republic)
David Burnett (born in New Jersey; one brother was a US senator, another was mayor of Cincinnati ; first president of the Texas Republic)The people who made Texas independent were settlers from the US; some of them had been active in US politics and business. I’m not criticizing them — that was the style back then (cf. the annexation of Hawaii; also Fremont in California) — but it is simplistic to say that the Texans fought for their independence from Mexico. A bunch of US settlers fought to make part of Mexico independent and later agreed that the US could annex their independent country.
lonecat about 10 years ago
It’s fun being a generalist, but it hasn’t helped my career much. Nobody can figure out what field I belong to (including me). I know a little bit of this and a little bit of that. (Actually, I know a whole lot about something that almost nobody cares about.)