The UAW (and other unions) need to learn that just demanding more money to do some simple job is not in the employee’s / member’s best interests. They need to start professionalizing their members by pushing skills training, education, and upward mobility rather than trying to keep them in the same job paying dues for nothing more than a slightly bigger paycheck.Those days are long gone.
Genome, there was a union where I just retired from. They charged about $40 a payday to be a member. Luckily I was in a Right to Work state and wouldn’t pay..The union leadership wouldn’t talk to me because I asked about my “Beck Rights” and “Dues only” followed by asking why the union supported a straight Democrat ticket..Aside from that, there was nothing that the union really did for you unless you were a screw up. They regularly protected morons and screw ups keeping them in their job..Or, the last local president… She stole over $28,000 from the union funds for personal use and didn’t even get prosecuted or anything. Must be nice….As I told them more than once: If I have some issue with management I’m better off hiring a pack of lawyers and dropping them on management than having your incompetent @$$es representing me..But, in my 24 years there I saved myself over $30,000 in dues I didn’t pay so I came out ahead.
they were needed at one time, before the law protected people, but now they have destroyed the very industries they expect to support their workers. Steel, Textile, Automotive, they support Obamacare because they expect to be able to Unionize healthcare workers nationwide.
VW, like some of the Japanese companies has merely gone into low income areas, and offered as good a “deal” for the region as what unions can secure. They aren’t examples of the more “typical” American companies built to secure the 1% or destroy the company, as Romney’s company “managed”.
With less than 8% of workers in the U.S. now represented by unions, they’re hardly dictating to industry.
Nantucket, I might have paid the small fraction of the dues that went to collective barganing issues per the Beck v. CCA decision or under the “Dues only” rules. But, to pay the roughly 85% of the dues that go to political action and contributions to me was unconscientionable particularly when the union was part and parcel of the Democrat party.If the union was operated for the good of the workers instead of the good of its management and politicians I object to I might have considered joining.
I just had a thought: Would it be a good thing if unions would just leave the workplace so the employers could pay employees what ever they want to??? Of course that sounds ridiculous but think about it, which direction do [you] think the pay scale would go?
I had not heard about threats. The most I had heard was that the republicans had stated that VW might not invest in further expansions at the plant. Which I believe VW management said was not the case:
Enoki about 10 years ago
The UAW (and other unions) need to learn that just demanding more money to do some simple job is not in the employee’s / member’s best interests. They need to start professionalizing their members by pushing skills training, education, and upward mobility rather than trying to keep them in the same job paying dues for nothing more than a slightly bigger paycheck.Those days are long gone.
Enoki about 10 years ago
Genome, there was a union where I just retired from. They charged about $40 a payday to be a member. Luckily I was in a Right to Work state and wouldn’t pay..The union leadership wouldn’t talk to me because I asked about my “Beck Rights” and “Dues only” followed by asking why the union supported a straight Democrat ticket..Aside from that, there was nothing that the union really did for you unless you were a screw up. They regularly protected morons and screw ups keeping them in their job..Or, the last local president… She stole over $28,000 from the union funds for personal use and didn’t even get prosecuted or anything. Must be nice….As I told them more than once: If I have some issue with management I’m better off hiring a pack of lawyers and dropping them on management than having your incompetent @$$es representing me..But, in my 24 years there I saved myself over $30,000 in dues I didn’t pay so I came out ahead.
TCulberson about 10 years ago
they were needed at one time, before the law protected people, but now they have destroyed the very industries they expect to support their workers. Steel, Textile, Automotive, they support Obamacare because they expect to be able to Unionize healthcare workers nationwide.
Dave Ferro about 10 years ago
Hit the gas!!!!
Dtroutma about 10 years ago
VW, like some of the Japanese companies has merely gone into low income areas, and offered as good a “deal” for the region as what unions can secure. They aren’t examples of the more “typical” American companies built to secure the 1% or destroy the company, as Romney’s company “managed”.
With less than 8% of workers in the U.S. now represented by unions, they’re hardly dictating to industry.
Enoki about 10 years ago
Nantucket, I might have paid the small fraction of the dues that went to collective barganing issues per the Beck v. CCA decision or under the “Dues only” rules. But, to pay the roughly 85% of the dues that go to political action and contributions to me was unconscientionable particularly when the union was part and parcel of the Democrat party.If the union was operated for the good of the workers instead of the good of its management and politicians I object to I might have considered joining.
Simonbear about 10 years ago
Tickled the dickens outa me when I read that [Joe the Plumber] came over to the dark side… For a job!
Simonbear about 10 years ago
I just had a thought: Would it be a good thing if unions would just leave the workplace so the employers could pay employees what ever they want to??? Of course that sounds ridiculous but think about it, which direction do [you] think the pay scale would go?
warjoski Premium Member about 10 years ago
I had not heard about threats. The most I had heard was that the republicans had stated that VW might not invest in further expansions at the plant. Which I believe VW management said was not the case:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/14/us-autos-vw-election-idUSBREA1D1DP20140214
Can you provide me some more informatiion on the threats? I’m being serious here.
Mneedle about 10 years ago
VW did not work with the union. VW simply gave the union access to the employees.
Mneedle about 10 years ago
According to whose rules?
warjoski Premium Member about 10 years ago
Thank you.