Steve Benson for January 16, 2014

If it is purely a “woman’s right to choose” then why do men have to pay child support…?.Just curious…

Hey! You with the club! Be careful not to harm that fetus! Might be a Republican someday.

That wasn’t the question Nantucket. The question was about who is financially responsible for the child from conception to age of majority.

Is that a sermon from the ’50s for unwed mothers.

What does any of that have to do with my question ahab? I was asking for an answer on who is financially responsible for a child from conception to age of majority.

Harleyquinn, you get nuttier all the time.

If the protestors have or throw popcorn, can they just be shot??

Why not make eunuchs of any guy who gets a woman pregnant against her will or INTENT? (rape, spousal abuse, “date rape drugs”, or just a failed condom, or refusal to use one?) Amazing that a “man’s man” screws around and brags of his conquest and hero status, but a woman is just a slut?

Whereas Nantuckett I see this in one of two ways:.If it is a “woman’s right to choose” as the Progressive Left / pro-abortion advocates claim then she and she alone is responsible for the child from conception to age of majority and the man is just a “sperm donor.” Child support and such should be eliminated entirely..or,.It is a couple’s right to choose and both the man and woman involved in a pregnancy and the raising of the child both get equal say just as they would in any other contractual obligation.The woman alone has no automatic right to end a pregnancy by elective abortion without consulting the man involved.It is only because of biology that the woman has to carry the child to term in any case. I could even see in this situation a case where the woman wants to electively terminate the pregnancy and the man doesn’t so he has to make some sort of payment for her carrying the child as well as the cost of medical care to delivery. That is reasonable and would make for a fair and equal contractual agreement.

No. I think Benson probably caught a glimpse of you.

" Take your heads out of the commix once in a while!"

That’s one State – and how well is that restraining order policed ..?

Just curious …

“How is pro life anti women? This is 2014 she had a choice to get pregnant. And how is a Pregnant lady being held down by a un evolved man somehow close to a truth for satire?”

Because like it or not, rape is considered an acceptable reproductive strategy in this culture.

Just not by women. Or at least, not all women. Some of us recognize that forcing us to bear every pregnancy to term, regardless of the circumstances of the impregnation or her life circumstances is wrong. That woman – most women in this culture – is not merely chattel, she is breeding stock.

Until women have the right to say ‘no’ – not only to sex, but also to pregnancy, women are not free, period.

" I totally agree.But there seems to be a double standard here. If that argument held up, it would include prostitution, ingestion of drugs, suicide, and the right to run around naked."

What is your problem with those things? They don’t affect you, do they?

I agree with Dr. Warbucks wholeheartedly. If what you are doing is not hurting anyone else, or obstructing their ability to make choices, then the choices I make are none of your business.

But certainly all our lives would be better – not just women’s, but everyone’s, if women controlled their own fertility. Either women are equal members of society, or not. As things stand, they are not, they are mere breeding stock.

“I am personally against abortions of choice, particularly women that treat it like simple birth control. "

What makes you think there are a lot of women who treat abortion as simple birth control?

I am sixty five years old, and all those years I have known ONE (1) woman who used abortion for birth control. One. And interesting enough, she was a RC who refused to use conventional birth control.

My thought is that any woman who is willing (and can afford) to use abortion as birth control is probably doing the right thing. I’m not sure she’s the right person to be raising children.

But it’s true enough that my concern is with the child, not the foetus. We lose plenty of foetuses to natural causes, and we aren’t whining about those ‘dead babies’. If we discover that Monsanto’s excesses are causing miscarriages, are we going to shut Monsanto down ..?

" And that is where I agree with Obama. It should be legal and very rare. But I, unlike him, want to add medical in nature. And just to be “fair” rape and insist is medial in Nature in that the girl did not consent and the man should not be in the picture."

Well, that’s very generous of you … except that you still seem to think that women are chattel, and that you get to define their lives on your terms.

You may go to your room …

" Educating a woman about what an abortion is should give her a better frame of reference for what she is doing before she does it so she makes a better decision. It’s frightening how little people know about the growth and development of a fetus and how developed it is when it is “killed.”"

So .. you’ve never been pregnant?

Believe it, if you ever get pregnant, you’ll know what you need to know. Good luck.

" He was the one combining two separate things."

They can’t be separated, Harley, except by nit pickers and hair splitters who think they are somehow entitled to micromanage women’s lives.

They are not, and neither are you.

" Now if you wish to find a better way of filtering the medical vs a choice of convenience,"

That distinction is none of your business either. Who are you to determine what ‘convenience’ means to a pregnant woman?

If you are determined to force her to bear that pregnancy to term, then you’d better be willing to finance it’s rearing.

But she will still be chattel, if the decision is not hers.

“After that baby is born they don’t care about it any longer. Unless they can use it in some self-righteous, holier than thou condemnation of the parents.”

Thank you! Very well said, as is often the case when you post!

Honey, you know what to do with that sword … heads or tails, either way is fine … just do it!

You show you cannot reason, yours is an emotional response.

Against abortion? Don’t have one.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.htmlmost common reason for abortion in Utah – therapeutic

Wow, so enlightening! Justice for the most vulnerable.