So, Lil Eddie. You are smarter than Al Gore and 99% of the climate scientists and believe global climate change is “faux?” And you do believe that the fossil fuel industry is spending tens of millions of $ because they want you to NOT believe that climate change is happening? You maybe should have a little less certainty in your opinion. Your ears will never get sunburned.
You mean we did not do it right the first time? You mean when we invaded another country although they did not attack us or, heavens forbid, did NOT have weapons of mass destruction? Invading another country is not right. There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq before we invaded. There were Christians living there. Now Al Qaeda is there and all the Christians have been killed or driven out. You are right: We did not do it right the first time. We should not have invaded then and we should not intervene now.
“We should further go on to destroy any government that treats its people like they are puppets or slaves to the state. (America excluded, of course ;-) )”
This may explain why America is held in such low regard in so many places: we know what’s best for everyone, but it doesn’t apply to us.
Joadtom: “I come not to bring peace to the world, but a sword” (Mathew), seems to be the only statement his “good followers” have actually implemented for those 2,000 years.
Fun fact, Al Qaeda became an issue in Iraq in 2004, whereby large regions saw uprisings. I’m sure nothing happened chronologically before this. Just as it is a myth that one can destabilize a country in the Middle East
suggested “IMHO we should have made Iraq an international military base. Every nation with a military would have a base there. Attack one and you’ve attacked all!”
Hmm. Yasss. While we are ignoring local sovereignty and wishes…May I offer an alternative suggestion?
Can we make, say, Texas, an international free zone where the world’s military can install bases. ‘Every nation with a military would have a base there. Attack one and you’ve attacked all!’
said “You’re letting something get in the way of your intellect. I’m not sure what, but it doesn’t help.”
Interesting. This coming from the person who replied to my post on (th)ink 01/01/2014mentioning unrelated points such as Britain’s past atrocities, the vastness of the USA and its diversity(? this affects mental illness?).[I replied to it a couple days ago btw]
You didn’t like my flippant reply to your flippant comment on this thread so you suggest something is affecting my intellect, RV?I suggest that you’re allowing patriotism to blind you. What on earth does bringing up England/British Empire have to do with the subject at hand? You state you were against Iraq’s invasion but were quite happy to suggest over-riding local wishes to have it declared an international military base. It was a flippant remark and I replied in likewise manner to point out the same flippancy but with a different perspective. Except it rubbed you the wrong way and somehow I’m letting something get in the way of my intellect. I see.
You are aware that I’m neither English nor British? I only reside here. I’m not sure why I should answer for the British Empire’s history. I suppose when I eventually move to Austria, I will have to start answering for Hitler, too.
Why is it, RV, that you get so defensive about the USA that you have to bring up the other person’s place of residence or nationality when you reply? Only if you think it will somehow make the other seem like a hypocrite and/or you think a patriotic hit will smart just as you ‘felt’ it.“How dare you criticise my country when you live in that country”. Erm. Yasss, my residence in the UK equates to me agreeing to its imperial past and therefore accountable for its past actions. :-| I’ve mentioned this before: I owe my allegiance to no government. Not to the British, not to Portuguese nor South African governments. I hold all my governments accountable and will not defend any policy just on nationalist grounds. Since I was born and brought up in South Africa, as part of the privileged oppressors, must I answer for the implementation of and upholding apartheid? Yes, of course…except I skipped the country at 17, before I could vote, to avoid military conscription into the Bush Wars; I went into exile to precisely to avoid being drafted into the South African army because of its racist policies. Have you done anything of the like with equal conviction? In your country American citizens who have done the same are labelled draft-dodgers, cowards and traitors.
I’m only likely accountable for Britain’s present actions. Like you with the US government, I protested UK’s involvement in the invasions. At the time I didn’t have the vote, so holding me accountable is going to be rather difficult anyway; but I participated in street demos, argued with who I could to convince and sway opinion.Gosh, I lived in Portugal for a mere 10 years, I guess that makes me accountable for its poor past colonial history, too. And while I don’t hold you personally accountable for the invasions of those countries I mentioned, I do your past governments.What I do hold you accountable for is your statement above. You argued that since it was invaded anyway, may as well have made the most of it. It’s paternalism at its finest but you fail to see it.And instead you also bristled and replied with ad hominem
“Now if you weren’t intent on being a nattering nabob of negativism, you’d see the reasoning behind suggestion”And if you weren’t so intent on being a breast-beating blind patriot, you’d see the reasoning behind my suggestion of making Texas an international military base as it would hold the world’s biggest threat to peace in check. Especially its blind patriots.
“I really don’t need you to tell me what America does wrong. I know already.”Perhaps not all of it.
eepatt over 10 years ago
So, Lil Eddie. You are smarter than Al Gore and 99% of the climate scientists and believe global climate change is “faux?” And you do believe that the fossil fuel industry is spending tens of millions of $ because they want you to NOT believe that climate change is happening? You maybe should have a little less certainty in your opinion. Your ears will never get sunburned.
eepatt over 10 years ago
You mean we did not do it right the first time? You mean when we invaded another country although they did not attack us or, heavens forbid, did NOT have weapons of mass destruction? Invading another country is not right. There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq before we invaded. There were Christians living there. Now Al Qaeda is there and all the Christians have been killed or driven out. You are right: We did not do it right the first time. We should not have invaded then and we should not intervene now.
Durak Premium Member over 10 years ago
al-Qaeda was not even in Iraq until the Bush/Cheney invasion.
I Play One On TV over 10 years ago
“We should further go on to destroy any government that treats its people like they are puppets or slaves to the state. (America excluded, of course ;-) )”
This may explain why America is held in such low regard in so many places: we know what’s best for everyone, but it doesn’t apply to us.
Dtroutma over 10 years ago
Joadtom: “I come not to bring peace to the world, but a sword” (Mathew), seems to be the only statement his “good followers” have actually implemented for those 2,000 years.
Quipss over 10 years ago
Fun fact, Al Qaeda became an issue in Iraq in 2004, whereby large regions saw uprisings. I’m sure nothing happened chronologically before this. Just as it is a myth that one can destabilize a country in the Middle East
OmqR-IV.0 over 10 years ago
waxed lyrical, saying "All the common people of the world hoped that one day America would come liberate them… but we didn’t. "
Oh! American liberators! Do tell more! More, I say!
I thought the effects of Hollywood propaganda had died out….?
OmqR-IV.0 over 10 years ago
said about the “…Romans…. They were animals.”
What have the Romans ever done for us?
OmqR-IV.0 over 10 years ago
Oh, please, please don’t “save the world”. Many of us outside of the USA beg of you, please don’t? Your cures are killing us.
OmqR-IV.0 over 10 years ago
suggested “IMHO we should have made Iraq an international military base. Every nation with a military would have a base there. Attack one and you’ve attacked all!”
Hmm. Yasss. While we are ignoring local sovereignty and wishes…May I offer an alternative suggestion?
Can we make, say, Texas, an international free zone where the world’s military can install bases. ‘Every nation with a military would have a base there. Attack one and you’ve attacked all!’
No-one invades Iraq, no-one invades Viet Nam, no-one invades Grenada, no-one invades Afghanistan, no-one invades anyone…
Michael Peterson Premium Member over 10 years ago
So your point is that Bin Laden has come back to life?
OmqR-IV.0 over 10 years ago
said “You’re letting something get in the way of your intellect. I’m not sure what, but it doesn’t help.”
Interesting. This coming from the person who replied to my post on (th)ink 01/01/2014mentioning unrelated points such as Britain’s past atrocities, the vastness of the USA and its diversity(? this affects mental illness?).[I replied to it a couple days ago btw]
You didn’t like my flippant reply to your flippant comment on this thread so you suggest something is affecting my intellect, RV?I suggest that you’re allowing patriotism to blind you. What on earth does bringing up England/British Empire have to do with the subject at hand? You state you were against Iraq’s invasion but were quite happy to suggest over-riding local wishes to have it declared an international military base. It was a flippant remark and I replied in likewise manner to point out the same flippancy but with a different perspective. Except it rubbed you the wrong way and somehow I’m letting something get in the way of my intellect. I see.
You are aware that I’m neither English nor British? I only reside here. I’m not sure why I should answer for the British Empire’s history. I suppose when I eventually move to Austria, I will have to start answering for Hitler, too.
Why is it, RV, that you get so defensive about the USA that you have to bring up the other person’s place of residence or nationality when you reply? Only if you think it will somehow make the other seem like a hypocrite and/or you think a patriotic hit will smart just as you ‘felt’ it.“How dare you criticise my country when you live in that country”. Erm. Yasss, my residence in the UK equates to me agreeing to its imperial past and therefore accountable for its past actions. :-| I’ve mentioned this before: I owe my allegiance to no government. Not to the British, not to Portuguese nor South African governments. I hold all my governments accountable and will not defend any policy just on nationalist grounds. Since I was born and brought up in South Africa, as part of the privileged oppressors, must I answer for the implementation of and upholding apartheid? Yes, of course…except I skipped the country at 17, before I could vote, to avoid military conscription into the Bush Wars; I went into exile to precisely to avoid being drafted into the South African army because of its racist policies. Have you done anything of the like with equal conviction? In your country American citizens who have done the same are labelled draft-dodgers, cowards and traitors.
I’m only likely accountable for Britain’s present actions. Like you with the US government, I protested UK’s involvement in the invasions. At the time I didn’t have the vote, so holding me accountable is going to be rather difficult anyway; but I participated in street demos, argued with who I could to convince and sway opinion.Gosh, I lived in Portugal for a mere 10 years, I guess that makes me accountable for its poor past colonial history, too. And while I don’t hold you personally accountable for the invasions of those countries I mentioned, I do your past governments.What I do hold you accountable for is your statement above. You argued that since it was invaded anyway, may as well have made the most of it. It’s paternalism at its finest but you fail to see it.And instead you also bristled and replied with ad hominem
“Now if you weren’t intent on being a nattering nabob of negativism, you’d see the reasoning behind suggestion”And if you weren’t so intent on being a breast-beating blind patriot, you’d see the reasoning behind my suggestion of making Texas an international military base as it would hold the world’s biggest threat to peace in check. Especially its blind patriots.
“I really don’t need you to tell me what America does wrong. I know already.”Perhaps not all of it.