On the other hand, the internet that we embraced as a new gateway to a more open society also allows the state and corporations to keep a closer eye on us. What were we thinking, it was a military invention anyway.
“Actually, by its very construction if not design intent”
Its design & intent in the beginning was to enable sharing computing time on mainframes between geographical locations. One hears of its design being to enable comms in the aftermath of a nuclear onslaught but actually; not its original intent at all.
“the Internet by itself does not enable outsiders to detect who you are or where you’ve visited.”
Who do you mean by “outsiders”?The very protocol the internet now uses has a unique addressing scheme. It can very much identify where you are coming from. If the machine you’re using to connect is in a shared area, like in a library or an internet café, you can try to be completely anonymous.However, just about everything on-line registers your presence in some sort of logs. How long those logs or records are organised, are read, retained, accessed, stored etc will determine the the feasibility of identifying you specifically to the trail your on-line presence leaves. I get that you’re attempting to suggest that despite your on-line presence trail, your experience is effectively anonomous because no-one really looks at the trail you leave; anonymity in a crowd.“External to the Internet” is off-net. If you’re off-net…you’re not connected and not part of the internet…so what does “external to the Internet such as cookies” mean?
" such as cookies or subpoenaing your local ISP."
I don’t understand your examples of “cookies” alongside subpoenas. Calling subpoenas of logs & records of your ISP (see previous paragraph) “external” I understand but the “cookies” reference throws me.
The internet (or ARPA net as we called it originally) was a product of the “military-industrial complex” and was simply a way to get data from contractors to contractees and vice-versa. Trying to put all this spooky stuff in the origins is way out of the plans.
“Cookies” were made up by those who wanted to be able to “help” their customers find what they wanted, and also to be able to “help” their customers find products that they didn’t yet know that they wanted.
Trying to blame those you don’t like for what happened to this net-thing is just dumb.
OmqR-IV.0 almost 11 years ago
On the other hand, the internet that we embraced as a new gateway to a more open society also allows the state and corporations to keep a closer eye on us. What were we thinking, it was a military invention anyway.
OmqR-IV.0 almost 11 years ago
“Actually, by its very construction if not design intent”
Its design & intent in the beginning was to enable sharing computing time on mainframes between geographical locations. One hears of its design being to enable comms in the aftermath of a nuclear onslaught but actually; not its original intent at all.
“the Internet by itself does not enable outsiders to detect who you are or where you’ve visited.”
Who do you mean by “outsiders”?The very protocol the internet now uses has a unique addressing scheme. It can very much identify where you are coming from. If the machine you’re using to connect is in a shared area, like in a library or an internet café, you can try to be completely anonymous.However, just about everything on-line registers your presence in some sort of logs. How long those logs or records are organised, are read, retained, accessed, stored etc will determine the the feasibility of identifying you specifically to the trail your on-line presence leaves. I get that you’re attempting to suggest that despite your on-line presence trail, your experience is effectively anonomous because no-one really looks at the trail you leave; anonymity in a crowd.“External to the Internet” is off-net. If you’re off-net…you’re not connected and not part of the internet…so what does “external to the Internet such as cookies” mean?
" such as cookies or subpoenaing your local ISP."
I don’t understand your examples of “cookies” alongside subpoenas. Calling subpoenas of logs & records of your ISP (see previous paragraph) “external” I understand but the “cookies” reference throws me.
Why are you bringing up Al Gore?
thezar almost 11 years ago
The internet (or ARPA net as we called it originally) was a product of the “military-industrial complex” and was simply a way to get data from contractors to contractees and vice-versa. Trying to put all this spooky stuff in the origins is way out of the plans.
“Cookies” were made up by those who wanted to be able to “help” their customers find what they wanted, and also to be able to “help” their customers find products that they didn’t yet know that they wanted.
Trying to blame those you don’t like for what happened to this net-thing is just dumb.