When ends justify the means, justice if often the first victim.“It is not to merely survive, one should also be worthy of surviving.”One wonders, if the first requirement for a democracy is a “Civil” Society, how healthy is our democracy?Respectfully,C.
The leakers are the true patriots. The fact that Obama is calling for his head rather then offer a Mae Culpa for illegally spying on US citizens just reinforces my opinion that he is morally bankrupt.
No Obama, We don’t all agree that you need the right to spy on honest taxpaying citizens to keep this country safe. We need to be kept safe from YOU.
And Shame on every Senator, Representative and Judge that was involved in this criminal act. They should all be charged.
One might argue which side is generally less informed, but I think most of us can agree that other posters on this site, with their “dimlibs” this and “repubtard” that, make it obvious that incivility is a non-partisan issue.
@Radishhttp://www.cnn.com/2013/06/11/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 (CNN)http://www.thewesterlysun.com/news/letter-obama-likes-only-certain-types-of-whistleblowers/article_856642a2-d29b-11e2-986e-001a4bcf887a.html (the westerly sun)
There are, of course, more but the Obama administration has opened a criminal investigation into this Whistleblower and is looking to extradite him.
Obama wrapped himself in the flag last Friday and tried to make it sound like what the NSA was doing was no big deal but most Americans aren’t buying it.
Part of the problem is the increase in contractors doing government work, including “intelligence”, went from 4.4 million in 1999, to 7.6 million in 2005, and it kept climbing!
BTW: despite conservative diatribes, and some from “lefties” as well, Obama has actually INCREASED “whistleblower security”.
There IS a difference between whistleblowing, and treason. Having been a whistleblower back during the Reagan administration, on a case we finally won before the SCOTUS, I can attest it wasn’t easy on you to “cross” that administration either!
This scandals shows one thing; it is not possible to keep secrets anymore. A few flags and a good PR operation won’t cut it anymore. People want some ethics in their politics, two things that just won’t fit together until now.
The ends does not justify the means anymore, and information can’t be manipulated so easily.
dear people, Mr. Snowden has merely illuminated that the content we put on our modern tools (computer, smart phone) was never intended to be private: holding within their little silicon atoms, every keystroke bit/byte we type… where would be the ‘away’ those things are supposed to go?
Too bad Americans “bought” it 10 years ago when it was originally instituted. I distinctly remember screaming about it then, but everyone was convinced that it was necessary to spy on us for our own good. Minds seem to have changed (or is it just the prez that changed?).
chazandru almost 11 years ago
When ends justify the means, justice if often the first victim.“It is not to merely survive, one should also be worthy of surviving.”One wonders, if the first requirement for a democracy is a “Civil” Society, how healthy is our democracy?Respectfully,C.
Thomas R. Williams almost 11 years ago
Snowden apparently supported Ron Paul.
Mephistopheles almost 11 years ago
The leakers are the true patriots. The fact that Obama is calling for his head rather then offer a Mae Culpa for illegally spying on US citizens just reinforces my opinion that he is morally bankrupt.
No Obama, We don’t all agree that you need the right to spy on honest taxpaying citizens to keep this country safe. We need to be kept safe from YOU.
And Shame on every Senator, Representative and Judge that was involved in this criminal act. They should all be charged.
Jason Allen almost 11 years ago
One might argue which side is generally less informed, but I think most of us can agree that other posters on this site, with their “dimlibs” this and “repubtard” that, make it obvious that incivility is a non-partisan issue.
Mephistopheles almost 11 years ago
@Radishhttp://www.cnn.com/2013/06/11/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 (CNN)http://www.thewesterlysun.com/news/letter-obama-likes-only-certain-types-of-whistleblowers/article_856642a2-d29b-11e2-986e-001a4bcf887a.html (the westerly sun)
There are, of course, more but the Obama administration has opened a criminal investigation into this Whistleblower and is looking to extradite him.
Obama wrapped himself in the flag last Friday and tried to make it sound like what the NSA was doing was no big deal but most Americans aren’t buying it.
We have a constitution for a reason.
Dtroutma almost 11 years ago
Part of the problem is the increase in contractors doing government work, including “intelligence”, went from 4.4 million in 1999, to 7.6 million in 2005, and it kept climbing!
BTW: despite conservative diatribes, and some from “lefties” as well, Obama has actually INCREASED “whistleblower security”.
There IS a difference between whistleblowing, and treason. Having been a whistleblower back during the Reagan administration, on a case we finally won before the SCOTUS, I can attest it wasn’t easy on you to “cross” that administration either!
OmqR-IV.0 almost 11 years ago
So, Snowden is a patriot (not a traitor as this bloke called Boehner said, as reported by the BBC today, ) but Manning is a traitor?
I don’t get it.
pam Miner almost 11 years ago
Name calling and attack is what people do when they can’t actually provide facts to refute the one they are calling names.
pirate227 almost 11 years ago
He’s not worth it. they’ll just the send the FBI as usual.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member almost 11 years ago
This scandals shows one thing; it is not possible to keep secrets anymore. A few flags and a good PR operation won’t cut it anymore. People want some ethics in their politics, two things that just won’t fit together until now.
The ends does not justify the means anymore, and information can’t be manipulated so easily.
Consent can’t be manufactured anymore.
SusanCraig almost 11 years ago
dear people, Mr. Snowden has merely illuminated that the content we put on our modern tools (computer, smart phone) was never intended to be private: holding within their little silicon atoms, every keystroke bit/byte we type… where would be the ‘away’ those things are supposed to go?
lindz.coop Premium Member almost 11 years ago
Too bad Americans “bought” it 10 years ago when it was originally instituted. I distinctly remember screaming about it then, but everyone was convinced that it was necessary to spy on us for our own good. Minds seem to have changed (or is it just the prez that changed?).
OmqR-IV.0 almost 11 years ago
offered: “Perhaps I can help”
Care to explain that to your Boehner fella. He doesn’t seem to get it. He reckons the dude’s a traitor.