It is really quite enlightening, those of you that see no problem with this are surprisingly ignorant. If you see no issue with this, why shouldn’t the government just collect DNA from every new born from now on, that will significantly cut down on future investigative time? Want to get your drivers license renewed, we’ll take a cheek swab with that.The issue is the presumption of guilt on arrest, there are two many instances of ineptitude, laziness, and a rush to judgement, with the person that had been arrested ultimately innocent of any wrongdoing. As well as the continued collapse of the 5th amendment to the Constitution.You should take some time and do a little light reading, I would suggest Go Directly to Jail: The Criminalization of Almost Everythingby Gene Healy and Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocentby Harvey A. Silverglate.
DUII suspects can be subject to breathalizer, or blood samples based on PC without warrant (different strokes for different states on standard practices). A cheek swab IS far less invasive than a blood sample, and about the same as breathlizer. Fingerprints are of course long standard “evidence” and database information taken upon arrest, NOTE, NOT conviction!
“Privacy” invasion by corporate entities, like tracking your computer habits, credit card purchases, and other “personal information” is a lot more pervasive than government is allowed to do. For example, government can only keep gun purchase background check data for 24 hours, while gun manufacturers keep the permanent records on who has what. Think about it, “righties”.
The biggest thing about his case is that I am actually agreeing with Scalia (of all people) over this case (he dessented for those who don’t know). He said, “The point of DNA testing as it is actually practiced is to solve cold cases, not to identify the suspect in custody.” That means that if you were a protester (Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street alike) arrested for disorderly conduct, you’d be getting you DNA taken at the police station.
“As long as you don’t do anything against the law, what’s the problem with a swab?”-Is it not possible that a lab dna swab could be used to frame an innocent person?-But How can the USA Supreme Court rule such a thing?Our rights protect us from conviction of crime without due process of trial and our defense and a public court jury deciding guilt or innocence. There are thousands of false arrests, and legitimate arrests of innocent people that are proved not guilty…..the constitution says no one can be forced to testify against oneself, and DNA is an evidence testimony.-We are speedily losing our most sacred personal rights under this dictatorial regime, IMO, aided and abetted by some strange USSC rulings, such as Obamacare is a “tax”….-IRS is building data banks of American’s phone calls, soon they’ll have every medical record of every citizen on file, and when they have our DNA it will be worse than Nazi Germany or the USSR at their worst.
With new technology related to gene therapy, society might not become as bad as that portrayed in the 1997 movie, “Gattaca,” which is the worst case scenario..But so much can be told from your personal genome that your destiny could be out of your control if the government decides some of your genetic inheritance is undesirable. .Personally, I think such things will eventually be routine and for the good, but not for a few generations.
“,,,A DNA sample is much more revealing than a fingerprint…” ha ha, You should worry when the police call in palm-readers to examine your hand. Until then Radish, don’t commit crime if do not want to be recorded.
woodwork almost 11 years ago
As long as you don’t do anything against the law, what’s the problem with a swab?
edclectic almost 11 years ago
I’ll be happy to offer a stool sample.
dpbriley almost 11 years ago
It is really quite enlightening, those of you that see no problem with this are surprisingly ignorant. If you see no issue with this, why shouldn’t the government just collect DNA from every new born from now on, that will significantly cut down on future investigative time? Want to get your drivers license renewed, we’ll take a cheek swab with that.The issue is the presumption of guilt on arrest, there are two many instances of ineptitude, laziness, and a rush to judgement, with the person that had been arrested ultimately innocent of any wrongdoing. As well as the continued collapse of the 5th amendment to the Constitution.You should take some time and do a little light reading, I would suggest Go Directly to Jail: The Criminalization of Almost Everythingby Gene Healy and Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocentby Harvey A. Silverglate.
Dtroutma almost 11 years ago
DUII suspects can be subject to breathalizer, or blood samples based on PC without warrant (different strokes for different states on standard practices). A cheek swab IS far less invasive than a blood sample, and about the same as breathlizer. Fingerprints are of course long standard “evidence” and database information taken upon arrest, NOTE, NOT conviction!
“Privacy” invasion by corporate entities, like tracking your computer habits, credit card purchases, and other “personal information” is a lot more pervasive than government is allowed to do. For example, government can only keep gun purchase background check data for 24 hours, while gun manufacturers keep the permanent records on who has what. Think about it, “righties”.
d_legendary1 almost 11 years ago
The biggest thing about his case is that I am actually agreeing with Scalia (of all people) over this case (he dessented for those who don’t know). He said, “The point of DNA testing as it is actually practiced is to solve cold cases, not to identify the suspect in custody.” That means that if you were a protester (Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street alike) arrested for disorderly conduct, you’d be getting you DNA taken at the police station.
disgustedtaxpayer almost 11 years ago
“As long as you don’t do anything against the law, what’s the problem with a swab?”-Is it not possible that a lab dna swab could be used to frame an innocent person?-But How can the USA Supreme Court rule such a thing?Our rights protect us from conviction of crime without due process of trial and our defense and a public court jury deciding guilt or innocence. There are thousands of false arrests, and legitimate arrests of innocent people that are proved not guilty…..the constitution says no one can be forced to testify against oneself, and DNA is an evidence testimony.-We are speedily losing our most sacred personal rights under this dictatorial regime, IMO, aided and abetted by some strange USSC rulings, such as Obamacare is a “tax”….-IRS is building data banks of American’s phone calls, soon they’ll have every medical record of every citizen on file, and when they have our DNA it will be worse than Nazi Germany or the USSR at their worst.
emptc12 almost 11 years ago
With new technology related to gene therapy, society might not become as bad as that portrayed in the 1997 movie, “Gattaca,” which is the worst case scenario..But so much can be told from your personal genome that your destiny could be out of your control if the government decides some of your genetic inheritance is undesirable. .Personally, I think such things will eventually be routine and for the good, but not for a few generations.
Fuzzy Thinker Premium Member almost 11 years ago
“,,,A DNA sample is much more revealing than a fingerprint…” ha ha, You should worry when the police call in palm-readers to examine your hand. Until then Radish, don’t commit crime if do not want to be recorded.