Never happened?? They did. Udal Ks.destroyed in 1955. Dust bowl 1929. Hope you get the drift. Just because someone didn’t see it personally doesn’t mean they never happened. I was a little kid when we drove over to the site of the Udal destruction. Of course, trying to tell tea partiers the truth just makes them more adamant that they are right. Exercise in futility.So just keep on pretending that bad weather never happened.
Wow. Because weather has happened before, it will happen again. What stunning logic.How about:1. The unique superstorms2. The unique TWO MILE WIDE tornado.3. Twelve of the fourteen warmest years in recorded US history are the first 12 years of this century.4. The melting of the Arctic and the Antarctic — so certain now that the Northwest Passage is finally open and oil companies and countries are angling to drill in the Arctic.5. Insurer Swiss Re has been tracking payouts due to increased (and worse) weather, and has concluded global warming is real and dangerous.Alarmists? Nope. Realists. Capitalists!
Man has been being bad to the environment for a long time.This came out in the early 1970’s, and very little has changed.^http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1dzYMruNGQ^Arguing over what is causing climate change is unproductive, however, recognizing that mankind can do things to counter climate change should be obvious, financially worthwhile, and a national security issue.Respectfully,C.
Not that I think you’ll care—you seem particularly stupid, even for a right-wing nut job—but that represents a 43% increase from the pre-industrial revolution CO2 level of .028% (280 ppm)But, since you seem to think that tiny fractions are insignificant, I’d suggest you add .04% (or even only .028%) cyanide to your salt-shaker.
The forces of ignorance and anti-science are out in force today. The earth is warming, and the results will be catastrophic, EVEN FOR SMALL BUSINESSES AND UNBORN CHILDREN!!!!! Your quoting of irrelevant and selectively edited data is funny, but quite harmful. The scientific consensus, and the truth, is painfully clear. It takes a dedicated conservative to be this pig-ignorant of the truth, and to be so proud of it too.
Let’s imagine that we spend money and time to create fewer pollutants, and perhaps to clean some as well. If climate change has nothing to do with humans, at least we’ll have cleaner air and water, and therefore an environment more conducive to good health of all species.
Let’s imagine that we don’t bother, because we’re convinced that man has nothing to do with it. If climate change really does have to do with humans, in the immortal words of Rick Perry, “Oops.”
What the deniers of Rapid Global Climate Change (mostly the ultra conservatives on this site) do not seem to realize is that it is not just the actual increase in greenhouse gasses that is causing these rapid changes, but the rate at which those changes are occurring. Indeed these types of changes have occurred naturally in the past. And when compared to geologic times of millions of years these natural changes have occurred relatively rapidly.
The difference now is that changes that have occurred naturally over thousands of years in the past in geologic time have now occurred over only the last 150 years or so. Further, these changes have now occurred just since the start of mankind’s industrial age. To the vast majority of reasonable thinking people as well as climatologists and other scientists this is not just a coincidence, but an actual cause and affect situation, with humanity being at least a reasonable part of that cause.
Besides which Rapid Global Climate Change is only the tip of the iceberg of the problems with the continued burning of hydrocarbon fuels for energy and transportation. One of the things that may be surprising to some posters here is that those of us that believe this is a problem are well aware (and may even be more aware) that coal and oil are very precious commodities that are used extensively for our very civilization. Some 20% of all oil is now used in the petro chemical industry for such important items as plastics. Oil is (of course) also used for lubrication, and as cooling materials for machining. Oil is also used in fertilizers and even medicines. And oil is NOT an unlimited commodity. What about future generations?
So, burning up this precious commodity into the atmosphere for just the generation of electricity, or for transportation, is one of the worst possible uses for this limited and precious commodity. And this is even besides the point that burning this commodity up in general is polluting the very fragile and even more precious atmosphere of the Earth that makes ALL life (not just we humans) possible on this planet. So, go ahead and deny there is a real problem with this burning and resulting pollution, and condemn our future generations to a terrible and painful death. Why not, at least it will keep things easier and cheaper for our own generation. What a short term and ignorant attitude some people have!!!
I didn’t plan to defend them This climate change with man making way worse is truth to around 99.9% of scientists and we have probably pssed the time to be ABLE to turn it back. Could make things better without Big Oil and GOP thinking and voting..
I think you and David both have the same concept here. Willful ignorance is worse that genuine ignorance. It’s not their fault if you haven’t heard the truth, but it is their fault to choose to put down truth, and this will hurt us all, and I bet in less than 10 years.
By their own admission, if we enacted all the ‘green’ socialists’ hogwash tomorrow, it would make little difference.
No, you are (deliberately or ignorantly) misunderstanding what has been said.The concern is that we MAY already be past a “tipping point,” but until we know for sure, we should do everything we can to avoid it. Even if we are past the tipping point, we may be able to mitigate the effects of rapid warming. In any case, when CO2 levels are already at record levels, you don’t keep increasing the rate at which you pump it in. Or, to put it another way, if you are in a hole, STOP DIGGING.We are not arguing about control (at least some of us are not), we are arguing about saving our civilization and life as we know it. And your problem with this is?
Oh, for God’s sake. Do you really think that is a clever comeback?Uranium is two to three parts per million in Earth’s crust, and U-235 is only 0.71% of that. Yet it seemed to have a major impact on the world.
pam Miner almost 11 years ago
Never happened?? They did. Udal Ks.destroyed in 1955. Dust bowl 1929. Hope you get the drift. Just because someone didn’t see it personally doesn’t mean they never happened. I was a little kid when we drove over to the site of the Udal destruction. Of course, trying to tell tea partiers the truth just makes them more adamant that they are right. Exercise in futility.So just keep on pretending that bad weather never happened.
eddodt almost 11 years ago
actually…during the last ten years or so…the number of tornados and hurricans have DECREASED…but, if you prefer propaganda so be it.
Motivemagus almost 11 years ago
Wow. Because weather has happened before, it will happen again. What stunning logic.How about:1. The unique superstorms2. The unique TWO MILE WIDE tornado.3. Twelve of the fourteen warmest years in recorded US history are the first 12 years of this century.4. The melting of the Arctic and the Antarctic — so certain now that the Northwest Passage is finally open and oil companies and countries are angling to drill in the Arctic.5. Insurer Swiss Re has been tracking payouts due to increased (and worse) weather, and has concluded global warming is real and dangerous.Alarmists? Nope. Realists. Capitalists!
chazandru almost 11 years ago
Man has been being bad to the environment for a long time.This came out in the early 1970’s, and very little has changed.^http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1dzYMruNGQ^Arguing over what is causing climate change is unproductive, however, recognizing that mankind can do things to counter climate change should be obvious, financially worthwhile, and a national security issue.Respectfully,C.
patiodragon almost 11 years ago
From that alarmist conspiracy group called NASA: http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html
markjoseph125 almost 11 years ago
Not that I think you’ll care—you seem particularly stupid, even for a right-wing nut job—but that represents a 43% increase from the pre-industrial revolution CO2 level of .028% (280 ppm)But, since you seem to think that tiny fractions are insignificant, I’d suggest you add .04% (or even only .028%) cyanide to your salt-shaker.
ARodney almost 11 years ago
The forces of ignorance and anti-science are out in force today. The earth is warming, and the results will be catastrophic, EVEN FOR SMALL BUSINESSES AND UNBORN CHILDREN!!!!! Your quoting of irrelevant and selectively edited data is funny, but quite harmful. The scientific consensus, and the truth, is painfully clear. It takes a dedicated conservative to be this pig-ignorant of the truth, and to be so proud of it too.
I Play One On TV almost 11 years ago
Let’s imagine that we spend money and time to create fewer pollutants, and perhaps to clean some as well. If climate change has nothing to do with humans, at least we’ll have cleaner air and water, and therefore an environment more conducive to good health of all species.
Let’s imagine that we don’t bother, because we’re convinced that man has nothing to do with it. If climate change really does have to do with humans, in the immortal words of Rick Perry, “Oops.”
Risk vs.reward. Choose wisely.
frodo1008 almost 11 years ago
What the deniers of Rapid Global Climate Change (mostly the ultra conservatives on this site) do not seem to realize is that it is not just the actual increase in greenhouse gasses that is causing these rapid changes, but the rate at which those changes are occurring. Indeed these types of changes have occurred naturally in the past. And when compared to geologic times of millions of years these natural changes have occurred relatively rapidly.
The difference now is that changes that have occurred naturally over thousands of years in the past in geologic time have now occurred over only the last 150 years or so. Further, these changes have now occurred just since the start of mankind’s industrial age. To the vast majority of reasonable thinking people as well as climatologists and other scientists this is not just a coincidence, but an actual cause and affect situation, with humanity being at least a reasonable part of that cause.
Besides which Rapid Global Climate Change is only the tip of the iceberg of the problems with the continued burning of hydrocarbon fuels for energy and transportation. One of the things that may be surprising to some posters here is that those of us that believe this is a problem are well aware (and may even be more aware) that coal and oil are very precious commodities that are used extensively for our very civilization. Some 20% of all oil is now used in the petro chemical industry for such important items as plastics. Oil is (of course) also used for lubrication, and as cooling materials for machining. Oil is also used in fertilizers and even medicines. And oil is NOT an unlimited commodity. What about future generations?
So, burning up this precious commodity into the atmosphere for just the generation of electricity, or for transportation, is one of the worst possible uses for this limited and precious commodity. And this is even besides the point that burning this commodity up in general is polluting the very fragile and even more precious atmosphere of the Earth that makes ALL life (not just we humans) possible on this planet. So, go ahead and deny there is a real problem with this burning and resulting pollution, and condemn our future generations to a terrible and painful death. Why not, at least it will keep things easier and cheaper for our own generation. What a short term and ignorant attitude some people have!!!
pam Miner almost 11 years ago
I didn’t plan to defend them This climate change with man making way worse is truth to around 99.9% of scientists and we have probably pssed the time to be ABLE to turn it back. Could make things better without Big Oil and GOP thinking and voting..
pam Miner almost 11 years ago
Caused by GOP .01% super-rich.
pam Miner almost 11 years ago
I love your chart. I get suckered in by my own ignorance. but The climate change deniers are like the flat earth society, bound for extinction.
pam Miner almost 11 years ago
I think you and David both have the same concept here. Willful ignorance is worse that genuine ignorance. It’s not their fault if you haven’t heard the truth, but it is their fault to choose to put down truth, and this will hurt us all, and I bet in less than 10 years.
Motivemagus almost 11 years ago
Natural cycles. That doesn’t mean this one is natural. Apples and oranges.
Motivemagus almost 11 years ago
No, you are (deliberately or ignorantly) misunderstanding what has been said.The concern is that we MAY already be past a “tipping point,” but until we know for sure, we should do everything we can to avoid it. Even if we are past the tipping point, we may be able to mitigate the effects of rapid warming. In any case, when CO2 levels are already at record levels, you don’t keep increasing the rate at which you pump it in. Or, to put it another way, if you are in a hole, STOP DIGGING.We are not arguing about control (at least some of us are not), we are arguing about saving our civilization and life as we know it. And your problem with this is?
Motivemagus almost 11 years ago
Oh, for God’s sake. Do you really think that is a clever comeback?Uranium is two to three parts per million in Earth’s crust, and U-235 is only 0.71% of that. Yet it seemed to have a major impact on the world.