This is where “pick yerself up by yer bootstraps” and the empathy of other disaster victims in places like New York and New Jersey must transcend the ghoulish and cruel approach to disaster relief typified by Oklahoma’s Senators Inhofe and Coburne.
And could we please stop rebuilding trailer parks in the tornado belt?
And don’t forget, when it’s time to clean up the mess everyone will be happy that Big Government is there to send in help!!Such idiots, denouncing what they need (Health Care and BIg Government… for roads, parks, beaches, garbage disposal etc etc etc…) and giving the 1% (who don’t need it) a tax break so that everyone else can pay for them. Vote Republican and screw yourself – and take the rest of the nation with you! Duh, duh, and duh! DUMB!
It is the nature of our people to stand defiantly in the face of such disasters. The clean up is always painful, and increasingly expensive – financially as well as in lives lost or maimed.When Oklahoma was first settled, many farmers lived partially underground in sod houses. How were the tornados then?I want to suggest that every home, school, and office that is rebuilt should be required to include a basement ‘safe room’ at the very least, and that homes should be rebuilt using tornado resistant techniques wherever possible. However, I fear that requiring homes to be made stronger and wind resistant will only anger people who say that gov’t has no right to order people to build their homes to suit the dangers of the area where it is built. After all, two of the three little pigs CHOSE to build from straw and twigs, but the wolf’s big wind took those structures down.Fire prone areas are increasingly requiring homes be built out of stone or brick with flame resistant roofing and trim materials, and using techniques to keep cinders from finding their way into attics. A discovery channel special on storm construction showed many things that can be done. It takes money, and it takes will.But even with the best materials, a Force 5 tornado is deadlyMy prayers are for all of those who are hurt and/or have lost loved ones, particularly their children. No parent wants to outlive their child. Respectfully,& Sympathetically,C.
Senator Coburn of Oklahoma wants any Federal Aid to Oklahoma to be offset with spending cuts elsewhere.Will these demands be made during the next wave of losses to wildfires, or hurricanes?As long as so many Americans are unemployed and under paid there will be fewer and fewer dollars to go to help our neighbors unless of course, we cut spending more and more and more.I hope the citizens of Oklahoma remember their “compassionate conservative” Senator Coburn in the next elections. We can’t get Congress to work together on anything that doesn’t effect them directly, and Coburn wants to make people wait for help while Congress “discusses” cuts without raising revenue.It does not look good, and it does not feel like the way Americans do things.Protect the money, THEN serve the people.Frustratedly,C.
“Any bets on whether the guy in the cartoon owns guns?”
Not sure what that has to do with the cartoon itself, but I’m guessing that any guns he has would be useless against a tornado.
“Those who act locally to help each other will always fare better” until there is no more water, no more generators, etc. When that happens, they’ll be very happy that others will ensure that they do not suffer more than circumstances demand.
It’s funny how some of the same people who last week were shouting about how some Americans (certainly not them) are takers, sponging off the government, will find solace in….“sponging” off the government. Will they learn a lesson?
Sorry I have no sympathy for fools who live in tornado zones, if they had brains they’d move somewhere safer. "
Everyplace that anybody lives has their own particular natural disasters to worry about. The Oklahomans could move to the East Coast, where they’d have to worry about hurricanes. They could move to the West Coast, where they’d have to worry about earthquakes. They could head North, and have ice storms every winter. I grew up in Illinois, which was no stranger to tornadoes, but I’ve never seen one up close. I was living in San Francisco for the ‘89 quake, though (I’m still here), and as devastating as that was, it’s still a highly desirable place to live. Maybe there’ll be a worse one in my lifetime, maybe not, but I’m aware of the risks.
People in Tornado Alley wonder why anybody would live with the potential for earthquakes. People who live on faultlines wonder why anybody would live in hurricane zones. People in hurricane zones wonder why anybody would put up with the yearly threat of wildfires. The smart thing to do, of course, is make sure your homes are built in keeping with local conditions. If you insist that everybody be relocated to parts of the country where no natural disasters ever occur (if you can find such places), (A) they’d become immensely crowded, and (B) things like food and energy production would grind to a halt (because nobody’s living in the most productive regions anymore).
Ihnofe and Coburn are two of the most vitriolic climate change deniers, even though three of the four worst tornadoes in history occurred in their state in the last 14 years, or since folks started warning that climate change would produce more severe storms.
Coburn is also the NRA clone who shoved an amendment in to allow loaded weapons in our National Parks, and violent crime relative to assaults is up 333% despite Coburn’s false claim of a drop. Total crime in the parks is up 5% overall, while he claims a 80% drop, typical NRA false hyperbole.
Don’t worry though, he will take the millions, or billions Oklahoma might get from Medicare, Medicaid, and from federal assistance to first responders, to make us all better off and “safer” in any future events.
Hello Baslim, Thank you for the information. I had heard the ground was hard, but not that hard. Still, we Americans have some AMAZING toys. The last three months, they’ve been tearing up streets in my neighborhood in order to replace underground water and gas lines and repave. They ripped up eight inch slabs of asphalt and concrete and made it look fun.You will also be pleased to hear a NPR story about the new hospital being built in Joplin, MO. It is being designed to handle winds over 200 mph.http://www.npr.org/2013/05/21/185839238/new-hospital-in-joplin-mo-designed-with-tornadoes-in-mindYou should be Baslim the busker. I like dropping money in the buckets for perfomers.Take care neighbor.Respectfully,C.
“As soon as we stop building Million Dollar Mansions in Hurricane Prone areas.”
I agree. And if they do, the “hardship” of having a second (or third or fourth) luxury home leveled by elements because it was built in a dumb place should be borne by the owner.
But it’s not fair to compare mobile homes in Tornado Alley with homes that were built in northeastern coastal areas in the early 20th century. Most of the country was building near bodies of water in those days for practical reasons and hurricanes were, and still are a relative rarity for those areas.
“Yet you cry foul when certain individuals vote against Funds to rebuild The Jersey Shore, they lived next to the Ocean and they know the risk of Hurricanes.”
A) I never did. You may have confused me with someone else.B) Nonetheless, if someone used “They chose to live next to the ocean, so they deserve what they got” I do consider that unreasonable, in the same way I think “They chose to live in Tornado Alley, so they deserve what they got” is unreasonable, or “They chose to live in on a faultline, so they deserve what they got” is unreasonable. So no double standard from ME, anyway.
People live in all sorts of areas, and we need people living there, and the nature of things being what it is, sometimes disasters will occur, WHATEVER your geography. Yes, some mitigating and/or preventative actions can be taken, and an occurrence such as this one at least prompts people to take them seriously (we’ve had seismic-building standards in the Bay Area for ages, but the ‘89 quake led to upticks in enforcement and inspection), but of course it’s all after the fact. Help them all, help them rebuild, and help them rebuild SMARTER (because they WILL rebuild, anyway).
Chillbilly almost 11 years ago
This is where “pick yerself up by yer bootstraps” and the empathy of other disaster victims in places like New York and New Jersey must transcend the ghoulish and cruel approach to disaster relief typified by Oklahoma’s Senators Inhofe and Coburne.
And could we please stop rebuilding trailer parks in the tornado belt?
ossiningaling almost 11 years ago
Wondering if the same Congressmen / Senators who voted down support for Hurricane Sandy will vote down support for OK?
Pogostiks Premium Member almost 11 years ago
And don’t forget, when it’s time to clean up the mess everyone will be happy that Big Government is there to send in help!!Such idiots, denouncing what they need (Health Care and BIg Government… for roads, parks, beaches, garbage disposal etc etc etc…) and giving the 1% (who don’t need it) a tax break so that everyone else can pay for them. Vote Republican and screw yourself – and take the rest of the nation with you! Duh, duh, and duh! DUMB!
chazandru almost 11 years ago
It is the nature of our people to stand defiantly in the face of such disasters. The clean up is always painful, and increasingly expensive – financially as well as in lives lost or maimed.When Oklahoma was first settled, many farmers lived partially underground in sod houses. How were the tornados then?I want to suggest that every home, school, and office that is rebuilt should be required to include a basement ‘safe room’ at the very least, and that homes should be rebuilt using tornado resistant techniques wherever possible. However, I fear that requiring homes to be made stronger and wind resistant will only anger people who say that gov’t has no right to order people to build their homes to suit the dangers of the area where it is built. After all, two of the three little pigs CHOSE to build from straw and twigs, but the wolf’s big wind took those structures down.Fire prone areas are increasingly requiring homes be built out of stone or brick with flame resistant roofing and trim materials, and using techniques to keep cinders from finding their way into attics. A discovery channel special on storm construction showed many things that can be done. It takes money, and it takes will.But even with the best materials, a Force 5 tornado is deadlyMy prayers are for all of those who are hurt and/or have lost loved ones, particularly their children. No parent wants to outlive their child. Respectfully,& Sympathetically,C.
chazandru almost 11 years ago
Senator Coburn of Oklahoma wants any Federal Aid to Oklahoma to be offset with spending cuts elsewhere.Will these demands be made during the next wave of losses to wildfires, or hurricanes?As long as so many Americans are unemployed and under paid there will be fewer and fewer dollars to go to help our neighbors unless of course, we cut spending more and more and more.I hope the citizens of Oklahoma remember their “compassionate conservative” Senator Coburn in the next elections. We can’t get Congress to work together on anything that doesn’t effect them directly, and Coburn wants to make people wait for help while Congress “discusses” cuts without raising revenue.It does not look good, and it does not feel like the way Americans do things.Protect the money, THEN serve the people.Frustratedly,C.
pirate227 almost 11 years ago
OK is a red state. Those RWNJ’s in the House won’t stand in the way of relief for them.
Dr Lou Premium Member almost 11 years ago
He might wanna move….
I Play One On TV almost 11 years ago
“Any bets on whether the guy in the cartoon owns guns?”
Not sure what that has to do with the cartoon itself, but I’m guessing that any guns he has would be useless against a tornado.
“Those who act locally to help each other will always fare better” until there is no more water, no more generators, etc. When that happens, they’ll be very happy that others will ensure that they do not suffer more than circumstances demand.
It’s funny how some of the same people who last week were shouting about how some Americans (certainly not them) are takers, sponging off the government, will find solace in….“sponging” off the government. Will they learn a lesson?
fritzoid Premium Member almost 11 years ago
Sorry I have no sympathy for fools who live in tornado zones, if they had brains they’d move somewhere safer. "
Everyplace that anybody lives has their own particular natural disasters to worry about. The Oklahomans could move to the East Coast, where they’d have to worry about hurricanes. They could move to the West Coast, where they’d have to worry about earthquakes. They could head North, and have ice storms every winter. I grew up in Illinois, which was no stranger to tornadoes, but I’ve never seen one up close. I was living in San Francisco for the ‘89 quake, though (I’m still here), and as devastating as that was, it’s still a highly desirable place to live. Maybe there’ll be a worse one in my lifetime, maybe not, but I’m aware of the risks.
People in Tornado Alley wonder why anybody would live with the potential for earthquakes. People who live on faultlines wonder why anybody would live in hurricane zones. People in hurricane zones wonder why anybody would put up with the yearly threat of wildfires. The smart thing to do, of course, is make sure your homes are built in keeping with local conditions. If you insist that everybody be relocated to parts of the country where no natural disasters ever occur (if you can find such places), (A) they’d become immensely crowded, and (B) things like food and energy production would grind to a halt (because nobody’s living in the most productive regions anymore).
(Accidentally deleted my earlier post.)
Dtroutma almost 11 years ago
Um, it IS called “tornado alley” for a reason.
Ihnofe and Coburn are two of the most vitriolic climate change deniers, even though three of the four worst tornadoes in history occurred in their state in the last 14 years, or since folks started warning that climate change would produce more severe storms.
Coburn is also the NRA clone who shoved an amendment in to allow loaded weapons in our National Parks, and violent crime relative to assaults is up 333% despite Coburn’s false claim of a drop. Total crime in the parks is up 5% overall, while he claims a 80% drop, typical NRA false hyperbole.
Don’t worry though, he will take the millions, or billions Oklahoma might get from Medicare, Medicaid, and from federal assistance to first responders, to make us all better off and “safer” in any future events.
Justice22 almost 11 years ago
I can verify tthe 333% claim. Is that good enough for you?
chazandru almost 11 years ago
Hello Baslim, Thank you for the information. I had heard the ground was hard, but not that hard. Still, we Americans have some AMAZING toys. The last three months, they’ve been tearing up streets in my neighborhood in order to replace underground water and gas lines and repave. They ripped up eight inch slabs of asphalt and concrete and made it look fun.You will also be pleased to hear a NPR story about the new hospital being built in Joplin, MO. It is being designed to handle winds over 200 mph.http://www.npr.org/2013/05/21/185839238/new-hospital-in-joplin-mo-designed-with-tornadoes-in-mindYou should be Baslim the busker. I like dropping money in the buckets for perfomers.Take care neighbor.Respectfully,C.
Chillbilly almost 11 years ago
“As soon as we stop building Million Dollar Mansions in Hurricane Prone areas.”
I agree. And if they do, the “hardship” of having a second (or third or fourth) luxury home leveled by elements because it was built in a dumb place should be borne by the owner.
But it’s not fair to compare mobile homes in Tornado Alley with homes that were built in northeastern coastal areas in the early 20th century. Most of the country was building near bodies of water in those days for practical reasons and hurricanes were, and still are a relative rarity for those areas.
But yeah, in general I agree with you.
fritzoid Premium Member almost 11 years ago
“Yet you cry foul when certain individuals vote against Funds to rebuild The Jersey Shore, they lived next to the Ocean and they know the risk of Hurricanes.”
A) I never did. You may have confused me with someone else.B) Nonetheless, if someone used “They chose to live next to the ocean, so they deserve what they got” I do consider that unreasonable, in the same way I think “They chose to live in Tornado Alley, so they deserve what they got” is unreasonable, or “They chose to live in on a faultline, so they deserve what they got” is unreasonable. So no double standard from ME, anyway.
People live in all sorts of areas, and we need people living there, and the nature of things being what it is, sometimes disasters will occur, WHATEVER your geography. Yes, some mitigating and/or preventative actions can be taken, and an occurrence such as this one at least prompts people to take them seriously (we’ve had seismic-building standards in the Bay Area for ages, but the ‘89 quake led to upticks in enforcement and inspection), but of course it’s all after the fact. Help them all, help them rebuild, and help them rebuild SMARTER (because they WILL rebuild, anyway).