“Given O hates Israel it’s amazing he even went there.”Okay, I’ll bite. What indication has the President given that he hates Israel? Please be specific.
just read the speechhttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04obama.text.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
block of text incoming
Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed – more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, ignorant, and hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction – or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews – is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve.
On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people – Muslims and Christians – have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than sixty years they have endured the pain of dislocation. Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza, and neighboring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations – large and small – that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: the situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own.
Beyond this I could not spot anything that one might take to be a hot button issue, references to stopping nuclear proliferation in Iran, Stating that the Arabic countries must recognize Israel and help build Palestine. Then continuing onto the importance of democracy, women rights yada yada yada.
Now perhaps there is something wrong in your view about recognizing both sides. perhaps you feel that Palestine should be isolated from view along with don’t ask don’t tell situation.
Or perhaps you take offense in that in his speech he recognizes contributions of Muslims. but one again all personal opinion.
For the earlier website it seems to be more a propaganda link right off the bat deciding any foreign aid in the middle east is to attack Israel. siting Obama as a Muslim. Often giving links not to sources but to other websites that give links back to it. Following on it goes to often obscure links to other individuals often whom themselves spoke against the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West bank but not against Israel
In 1948, the United Nations declared a split of the land that was called Palestine, dividing it into a homeland for Jews, called “Israel”, and a state for Palestinian Arabs, which was called “Jordan”. Most people don’t remember, or never knew.
The idea that the Palestinians are “refugees” is difficult to accept 65 years later. Let’s be realistic: imagine you are displaced, and have lost everything. I’ll call you a refugee. But if, after several years, you have received no reparations, it’s safe to say you’re on your own. I know I would not wait decades to expect people to address any inhumanity that had been thrown in my direction.
And where could these “refugees” have gone? um, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Bahrain, did I leave anyone out? Yet, where were their Arab “brethren” in their “time of need”? Oh, I guess it was better to leave them there in their misery so they would have someone to blame, and a “reason” to work against Israel.
The day of Israel’s independence was the day the Arabs started war on Israel, and it has been this way off and on ever since. There is a truism that if the Arabs lay down their arms, there will be peace, but if the Israelis lay down their arms there will be no Israel.
Nevertheless, it is foolish to struggle against what is. Because of current population trends, Arabs will outnumber Jews in Israel in just a short time. Unless Israel wants to travel down the thorny path of minority rule, and in order to preserve a Jewish state, it is incumbent upon Israel to cede some land to the Palestinians and grant them independence.
This probably won’t end the animosity, the bombings, or the fighting. So I offer this solution, not that anyone cares: agree to a Palestinian state, with definite borders, with the proviso that all antagonism stop. If there is any UNPROVOKED (and this will have to be specified in detail, otherwise we’ll get “he’s touching me!” “no, I’m not!” arguments), the deal is null and void, and the land reverts to Israel.
Never happen.
My next idea is to do what the nerds did in the “Revenge” movie during the tug-of-war. Drop the rope. Say, “You win.” Move out, but before doing so, destroy all the improvements made to the land. Get rid of irrigation, infrastructure, and all of the things that have turned the only desert in the Middle East without any oil into the farms, groves, and industry that the Israelis built. Return it to the wasteland that the Israelis found when they got there. You want it, you got it. Let’s see what you do with it in 65 more years. It would be interesting to see the result.
Then none of the residents of the Middle East could blame the problems that they will continue to have on Israel or on the US. Maybe they would have to see that their misery is primarily sourced by their “leaders”.
What about the Jews? Move them to South Florida. I hear our borders are pretty porous, and they haven’t started to put up the wall around Florida. They speak English, they work hard for the most part, and they know how to work a simple ballot, so this would be a win for Florida.
While some of this is tongue-in-cheek, the fact that it just might work is testament to how screwed up the whole situation is.
And for those who can’t stand the fact that Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize, consider that another recipient was Yassir Arafat, who was demonstrably against peace.
“Jase you’ve got to pull your head out of the sand if you want to contribute to these discussions. Here’s what Ed Koch (former mayor of NY and very liberal said: ‘I believe this is the most dangerous and critical period that Israel has ever faced and regrettably it does not have the support of the President of the United States, which in past difficult situations it could count on.’”Good! I hope the President doesn’t support Israel until they get serious about peace. I stated my position pretty much every time the topic of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict comes up, and it hasn’t changed. Israel’s actions against the Palestinians are partly to blame for the conflict cycle, as is the actions of Palestinians. Both sides are to blame and we should stop supporting either side until they get serious about stopping the cycle.
CarolFeldman about 11 years ago
Hahahaha! True that!
Jason Allen about 11 years ago
“Given O hates Israel it’s amazing he even went there.”Okay, I’ll bite. What indication has the President given that he hates Israel? Please be specific.
Jason Allen about 11 years ago
Frankly, the US should cut all aid to Israel and Palestine until the two get serious about the peace process.
Quipss about 11 years ago
just read the speechhttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04obama.text.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
block of text incoming
Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed – more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, ignorant, and hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction – or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews – is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve.
On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people – Muslims and Christians – have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than sixty years they have endured the pain of dislocation. Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza, and neighboring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations – large and small – that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: the situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own.
Beyond this I could not spot anything that one might take to be a hot button issue, references to stopping nuclear proliferation in Iran, Stating that the Arabic countries must recognize Israel and help build Palestine. Then continuing onto the importance of democracy, women rights yada yada yada.
Now perhaps there is something wrong in your view about recognizing both sides. perhaps you feel that Palestine should be isolated from view along with don’t ask don’t tell situation.
Or perhaps you take offense in that in his speech he recognizes contributions of Muslims. but one again all personal opinion.
For the earlier website it seems to be more a propaganda link right off the bat deciding any foreign aid in the middle east is to attack Israel. siting Obama as a Muslim. Often giving links not to sources but to other websites that give links back to it. Following on it goes to often obscure links to other individuals often whom themselves spoke against the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West bank but not against Israel
I Play One On TV about 11 years ago
In 1948, the United Nations declared a split of the land that was called Palestine, dividing it into a homeland for Jews, called “Israel”, and a state for Palestinian Arabs, which was called “Jordan”. Most people don’t remember, or never knew.
The idea that the Palestinians are “refugees” is difficult to accept 65 years later. Let’s be realistic: imagine you are displaced, and have lost everything. I’ll call you a refugee. But if, after several years, you have received no reparations, it’s safe to say you’re on your own. I know I would not wait decades to expect people to address any inhumanity that had been thrown in my direction.
And where could these “refugees” have gone? um, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Bahrain, did I leave anyone out? Yet, where were their Arab “brethren” in their “time of need”? Oh, I guess it was better to leave them there in their misery so they would have someone to blame, and a “reason” to work against Israel.
The day of Israel’s independence was the day the Arabs started war on Israel, and it has been this way off and on ever since. There is a truism that if the Arabs lay down their arms, there will be peace, but if the Israelis lay down their arms there will be no Israel.
Nevertheless, it is foolish to struggle against what is. Because of current population trends, Arabs will outnumber Jews in Israel in just a short time. Unless Israel wants to travel down the thorny path of minority rule, and in order to preserve a Jewish state, it is incumbent upon Israel to cede some land to the Palestinians and grant them independence.
This probably won’t end the animosity, the bombings, or the fighting. So I offer this solution, not that anyone cares: agree to a Palestinian state, with definite borders, with the proviso that all antagonism stop. If there is any UNPROVOKED (and this will have to be specified in detail, otherwise we’ll get “he’s touching me!” “no, I’m not!” arguments), the deal is null and void, and the land reverts to Israel.
Never happen.
My next idea is to do what the nerds did in the “Revenge” movie during the tug-of-war. Drop the rope. Say, “You win.” Move out, but before doing so, destroy all the improvements made to the land. Get rid of irrigation, infrastructure, and all of the things that have turned the only desert in the Middle East without any oil into the farms, groves, and industry that the Israelis built. Return it to the wasteland that the Israelis found when they got there. You want it, you got it. Let’s see what you do with it in 65 more years. It would be interesting to see the result.
Then none of the residents of the Middle East could blame the problems that they will continue to have on Israel or on the US. Maybe they would have to see that their misery is primarily sourced by their “leaders”.
What about the Jews? Move them to South Florida. I hear our borders are pretty porous, and they haven’t started to put up the wall around Florida. They speak English, they work hard for the most part, and they know how to work a simple ballot, so this would be a win for Florida.
While some of this is tongue-in-cheek, the fact that it just might work is testament to how screwed up the whole situation is.
And for those who can’t stand the fact that Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize, consider that another recipient was Yassir Arafat, who was demonstrably against peace.
Jason Allen about 11 years ago
“Jase you’ve got to pull your head out of the sand if you want to contribute to these discussions. Here’s what Ed Koch (former mayor of NY and very liberal said: ‘I believe this is the most dangerous and critical period that Israel has ever faced and regrettably it does not have the support of the President of the United States, which in past difficult situations it could count on.’”Good! I hope the President doesn’t support Israel until they get serious about peace. I stated my position pretty much every time the topic of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict comes up, and it hasn’t changed. Israel’s actions against the Palestinians are partly to blame for the conflict cycle, as is the actions of Palestinians. Both sides are to blame and we should stop supporting either side until they get serious about stopping the cycle.